- Feb 3, 2006
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- Political Leaning
- Very Conservative
I am more competent in Irish beer than IRA. All I can see is a big difference between internal problems of the western civilization and external ones.G-Man said:No, it failed because they arrested too many people.
G-Man said:There ain't thousands at G-Bay..about 500 or so I think. Most were not CAPTURED by US foces..several were abducted from foreign countries (i.e Italy) but most have been handed over by the Pakistan forces and new Afghan govt. The fact of the matter is we know little, if anything ,about the majority of people detained - let alone if they are enemy combatants. Also, if these people have only attacked the Afghan or Iraqi govts (and not any US forces) then they are by no possible explanation enemy combatants against the US.
If thousands are allowed the hundreds are even more allowed. You are accepting they all are captured by American forces and allies. If they attacked our vital allies it makes them our enemies. It is normal action of a war coalition. Whatsoever they are enemy combatans, and therefore I only refer you to my previous post. If we don’t know about all tactics and plans of the military we follow the rules of warfare. I think we know too much .
I have to repeat. I am talking about :G-Man said:Our constitution does not give any rights to our forces which are captured by the enemy. How could it possibly do so?
‘’No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time
of War or public danger.’’
As you can see general rights are revoked by us. When in service an American looses some common civil rights and obeys laws of military. You cannot give enemies combatants more rights in our system than you give to our soldiers.
G-Man said:Terrorists are caught by intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies. This is a far more effective method.
I am afraid the most experts on terrorism (including SySgt) would not agree. I also do not see how it can work. Only a combined effort of all services and institutions including the American public can do. On other hand you are contradicting yourself when you complain you know very little about detainees –how would you know about actions of CIA? In the most cases intelligence services provide analytical work, not capturing. I am sure intelligent forces are already working with the military. Again Muslim terrorists are not spies or criminals. They are a different phenomenon.
It is your wish. It does not work in reality for thousands of years. Countries and cultures always interact. And in the most cases one side is not pleased by another one. It is the law of global existence you wish to break. You wish is respected but cannot be granted.G-Man said:America and Americans can do what we please in the USA but when we start interfering in the lives of others (normally thousands of miles across the globe) they take objection.
G-Man said:N.B If you think they will change because of elections in Iraq you're mistaken.
No, I said by establishing a pro American regime in Iraq. With at least Turkey type advantages of democracy, our military bases, Iraqi army as an ally, and oil cards in our hands. It was my original intention, but I am afraid it is failing, due to political correctness.
As I said you have to look at dynamics. We all, including China are in race. So far we have the most regards to pollution, others WILL do worse. In order to find alternative sources we have to be the first in race – means to burn more fuel in our cars. The prize is an alternative fuel. The reality is there is no such fuel even on horizon. Just politically correct slogans.G-Man said:Hmm we are the worlds largest polluter. No-one can do worse than we are in this field!! How about trying to find alternative energy sources - without asking the oil & gas industry to do it!
G-Man said:China is expanding yes but what does it matter if they could destroy the world 10 times whilst we could only do it 5 times?? We have all the military capability we will ever need (except maybe ground troops). Oil/Gas supplies are important (more so than they should be) thats why we are right in the middle of the mess in the middle east.
I am not talking about nuclear capability. It is accepted to be a very last suicidal resort by the Western civilization -- like it is better to die fighting. I am talking about military strength, which would lead to the world domination. Russia has nukes too, but it is far away from the domination in spite of all attempts. China is coming.
G-Man said:We're not free if you can be arrested, detained and imprisoned for an indefinite period without allegations or proof of a crime.
Yes. I do not see a threat for Americans –I see more like imagination and stretching reality.
I am talking about observed laws of human existence.G-Man said:We don't follow the laws...maybe thats the problem?? .
As I said above you cannot change the laws of human nature and our way of life. For me the foundation of our way of life concentrates in the freedom of everlasting pursuit of never achieved happiness, which falls perfectly in basic description of human nature. Absolutely, we make our enemies by following our way of life. It is an absolute necessity for us to be in fight with the enemies in order to appreciate our freedoms. For me it is another basic law of human existence --- fighting, you get stronger and appreciate your freedoms more. This is the first reasons why enemies exist at all. It is somewhat like arguing to you I am making my mind sharper and I am learning. Without you I would be a complete idiot.G-Man said:If you want to see the end of terrorism try tackling the reasons behind it. However, I personally feel it is impossible to end terrorism for ever - thats why this 'war' is impossible to win.
As to Muslim terrorism – I am leaning to agree with you. I do not see a real definition of the enemy more or less excepted by America. Starting from you with your feeling that they are like a criminal gang and finishing with comparison to war on drugs. I am not even sure SySgt with his theory of the clash of civilization would have too much of success, because even if he is trying to be a politically correct guy, his theory looks quite strange for the most people and may not look politically correct for the most, in my opinion. I try to show him my disagreements with some of his views, but I am fully aware if he follows any of my advises he would loose any kind of political correctness at all. So far on this forum I find him to be the best expert of reality. And I find the most people – as an observation of human nature – don’t like to face reality.