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America`s Involvment With Israel

Isn't that part of the reason Islamic fundamentalists hate us?And by the way, our buddies the Israelis were heavy terrorists in the '80s,not to mention, they were in support of Hamas. And we give Jordan and Syria millions of dollars for keeping peaceful relations with Israel. What would happen if we spread the wealth?

So what terrorism are we talking about in the 1980's list specefic incident.

I dunno really why we support Israel anyways. Besides the fact that they are our allies. I think we only do it cause there are a lot of Jewish people in our country. Ah well.

Arent Jew's 2% of the American population? Just out of curiosity.
 
Tashah said:
The Jewish people didn't just drop out of the sky and land in Israel by UN fiat. We have been in Israel continuously from the patriarch Abraham to today. The Gaza strip withdrawal was a necessary evil... someone had to begin the process of peace and reconcilliation with more than empty words.

You are always welcomed to visit Israel George. It is an intoxicating blend of the very ancient and cutting-edge modernity, and resides in a Mediterranean sub-tropical climate. Although Hebrew is the official language of Israel, English is a required second language for all Gymnasium (high school) students. Tourism is rapidly becoming a booming industry... and most first-time visitors invariably return to Israel again and again.



I'd like to visit Israel very much, thanks for the invite. ;) I would also like to visit other places in the middle east but...sigh, I'm concerned about my safety with all the violence and terrorism.

By the way, nice home page.
 
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I dunno really why we support Israel anyways. Besides the fact that they are our allies. I think we only do it cause there are a lot of Jewish people in our country. Ah well

Arent Jew's 2% of the American population? Just out of curiosity.

I like how when I support Isreal not bending over for the Arabs, self-appointed leftist intellectuals either respond with decades-old transgressions that pale next to the Palistinian terrorist offensive, or "Why, you must be a JEW."
 
Tashah said:
What on Earth are you talking about? The Palestinians certainly do develop their land... I myself frequent a Palestinian casino (The Oasis) in Nablus. Bulldozed homes and businesses? What year are you referring to here? The last homes and businesses bulldozed were Israeli ones in Gaza. Did that completely pass you by? Second class citizenship? Perhaps you missed the Palestinian elections? Frankly, you are well out of touch with the realities on the ground in Israel and Palestine. Instead of regurgitating tired old rhetoric, you really should brush up on current events.

Apparently you misread my statement. I was talking about the peace deals until the newest one. In all of them Israel would give the palestinians more land but they wouldn't be allowed to develop it, Israel would remain the dominant military presence, the palestinians would have to ask permission from the Israeli government before they policed the territory, and Israel would annex more land than they were giving up. I think you are the one who has been out of touch. Israel has been bulldozing homes and buisinesses for years and it's true that in Israel, Muslim and Palestinian property can be confiscated by the government and bulldozed to build Jewish and Israeli homes and buisinesses. That is second class citizenship.
 
I have heard so many different views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and our alliance with Israel that it is difficult for me to determine what exacly is the truth. The formation of the state of Israel occurred due to the aftermath of the holocaust from World War II. However, even before the holocaust, their were powerful and prominent Jews that were seeking a homeland due to discrimination they were facing in Europe.

The problem that occurred, was that alot of the natives that had lived their for generations were suddenly uprooted by Jewish settlers and forced from the land that they lived on for generations. Of course, Jews feel just as much entitled over the land as those people that were forced from the land by the Jewish settlers that came. And neither side is willing to back down. So it seems to me, that the conflict is over land and both sides feel strongly entitled to the land and both of these religions, Islam and Judiasm rever certain sites like the Temple Mount and believe it should be included in their nation or in the Palestinian case a future nation. So this creates additional conflict. Overall, a terrible mess.

So, where does the US come into this? How did the US become allies with Israel? Well, I think our alliance with Israel comes from our history during the Cold War. Originally, Stalin supported the formation of Israel because he believed that Israel would become a Soviet ally. He soon learned he made a mistake as Israel turned towards the US as an ally. So, the Soviet Union began to back the Arabs during the Cold War. The Middle East was a hotspot for the Cold War due to the vast oil reserves in the region and because of the Middle East's strategic location in the world.
 
Right, part of this simply has to do with the fact that Isreal aligned with us during the cold war and the Arabs threw in with the Soviets. And they wonder why we don't throw money at them. Second Isreal is a democracy and Jordan has nothing close to a representitive government. Finally, without us, Isreal is undisputably the underdog in that reigon. The half dozen Jew-hating nations surrounding them might as well be dropping bombs on them without reprisal. Sure the governments might not be rolling tanks across their borders (not that they haven't tried, 3 times I might add) but we all know Palistine activly supported suicide bombings, and I don't recall hearing about any Isrealis running into any restauraunts strapped with a chest full.
 
I'll just go big picture...

If the US doesn't support Isreal, 10+ million Jews will only have the military capacity to hold off annihilation for a decade at best...Our hands-off will be an alarm for many countries to be hands-on when it comes to arming the Palestinans...In due time, Isreal would not be able to defend itself, resulting in the slaughter of 10+ million Jews...all the while the United Nations would sit idlily by and let it happen like they usually do...

I know there are many that sit back and say to themselves..."Wouldn't it just be alot easier if we just let those 10+ million die and get it the hell over with?"

Sorry...That way of thinking has been tried before...1940s Germany...
 
I am sorry but this is just a cold war ally that we should dump because the continued support of them puts Americans in danger. This may not sound like a good idea but the job of the American government is to protect us not some other country at our expense.
 
in danger? the mossad is a big help, i wish the CIA would work more with Israeli intelligence agencys so we could catch more terrorists!



I think this relationship is healthy.
 
iamjack said:
Right, part of this simply has to do with the fact that Isreal aligned with us during the cold war and the Arabs threw in with the Soviets. And they wonder why we don't throw money at them. Second Isreal is a democracy and Jordan has nothing close to a representitive government. Finally, without us, Isreal is undisputably the underdog in that reigon. The half dozen Jew-hating nations surrounding them might as well be dropping bombs on them without reprisal. Sure the governments might not be rolling tanks across their borders (not that they haven't tried, 3 times I might add) but we all know Palistine activly supported suicide bombings, and I don't recall hearing about any Isrealis running into any restauraunts strapped with a chest full.


I recall one particular Israeli who walked into a mosque and slaughtered 29 Muslims while they prayed. Israeli terrorism is just as dominant as Palestinian terrorism.
 
I was trying to keep myself out of this thread, but I have to interupt.

To say it as dominant is simply not true. The once incident of mass murder, horrendous is not a common or dominant terrorist aspect. He is a mass murdered and is not condoned, due to a law passed no monuments of any king may be made to people that are considered terrorists, his memorial that had been eructed was swiftly torn down.

Now, on the other hand the Palestinians have launched over a hundred suicide bombings since the beginning of the second intifada, dozens of gun attacks, and thousands of rocket strikes and bombings.

It is very firmly weighted to one side.
 
superskippy said:
I was trying to keep myself out of this thread, but I have to interupt.

To say it as dominant is simply not true. The once incident of mass murder, horrendous is not a common or dominant terrorist aspect. He is a mass murdered and is not condoned, due to a law passed no monuments of any king may be made to people that are considered terrorists, his memorial that had been eructed was swiftly torn down.

Now, on the other hand the Palestinians have launched over a hundred suicide bombings since the beginning of the second intifada, dozens of gun attacks, and thousands of rocket strikes and bombings.

It is very firmly weighted to one side.

Isreal also took out 200 civilians in an apartment complex in one of their attempts to assasinate Arafat. Arafat walked away without so much as a scratch but 200 innocent palestinians died. Israel has the capability of precision targeting which they rarely utilize. They're cited by the UN as commiting dozens and dozens of humanitarian crimes.
 
Can you cite that incident of us killing 200 people in an assasination attempt? I beleive you are far from correct on that one, but I'll let you come to that conclusion yourself.


Cite specific examples of such crimes, because as you already know, the UN does not have the greatest rep down here for very good reasons.
 
Napoleon's Nightingale said:
I recall one particular Israeli who walked into a mosque and slaughtered 29 Muslims while they prayed. Israeli terrorism is just as dominant as Palestinian terrorism.

OK, wow. You really owe an apology to the Isreali members of this board. I mean, I thought before I submit my last post that I should preempt some partisan quoting some peppered examples of Isreali agression, but I naivly thought nobody would be so blatent as to approximate the two. I realize Isreali violence shouldn't be dismissed, but actually equating it to the thousands of deaths from zealous, unceasing offence on the part of Palistinians is incredibly ignorent and insubstantial. That's like comparing the British to the Soviets.
 
Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Apparently you misread my statement. I was talking about the peace deals until the newest one.
I didn't misread anything... your articulation was lousy and I am not a mind-reader.

Napoleon's Nightingale said:
In all of them Israel would give the palestinians more land but they wouldn't be allowed to develop it, Israel would remain the dominant military presence, the palestinians would have to ask permission from the Israeli government before they policed the territory, and Israel would annex more land than they were giving up.
Why do you constantly regurgitate the past? Please, deal with the here and now.

Napoleon's Nightingale said:
I think you are the one who has been out of touch. Israel has been bulldozing homes and buisinesses for years and it's true that in Israel, Muslim and Palestinian property can be confiscated by the government and bulldozed to build Jewish and Israeli homes and buisinesses. That is second class citizenship.
Last time I looked at a map, your Ohio was still half a world away from the Middle East. How exactly do you know more about Israel than an Israeli?


 
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You guys, I think the bottom line here is that the Jews deserve to have a country just like everyone else. Look how many arab countries there are in the middle east and there's only one Jewish country. They are a minority in the middle east and without the alignment with the United States, they might be taken over by arabs. Don't forget also that the Christian population is also a minority in the middle east and risks the same fate. In countries like Lebanon, the Christian population has also faced descrimination over the years.
 
Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Isreal also took out 200 civilians in an apartment complex in one of their attempts to assasinate Arafat. Arafat walked away without so much as a scratch but 200 innocent palestinians died.
I would also like to see a linked source for this statement.

Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Israel has the capability of precision targeting which they rarely utilize. They're cited by the UN as commiting dozens and dozens of humanitarian crimes.
Actually, I don't think Hamas would subscribe to your view of Israeli precision targeting at all.

The UN? I daresay... a dysfunctional Babal.



 
Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Israel has been bulldozing homes and buisinesses for years and it's true that in Israel, Muslim and Palestinian property can be confiscated by the government and bulldozed to build Jewish and Israeli homes and buisinesses.
Up front, Palestine never existed, the name actually came from the Romans who committed genocide on the Jewish people around 70 AD at which time, the Romans also destroyed their temple. The Romans said Israel would never more exist, so the gave it the name Palestine (from the Philistines who the Jewish people had once conquered) just to insult them after taking their land.

Palestine was never a self governing people, it was Israel ruled by Rome, the Ottoman Empire and after world war 2 by the British. If The Israeli wanted to take the land back they would have that right. If Palestinians can not abide by Israeli law they should have no right to live there. Palestinians are people who migrated to the land of Israel.

As for the so called U.N., They only seek what the Romans did at that time…To get rid of Israel. They should have no place in governing our, or your society. But hey, this is only my opinion.
 
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Viper said:
They have thier own country, it's called Jordan. It's probably three times the size of Israel as well. I support Israel whole heartedly!

isreal a beautifull place with warm loving people
except the zionist they like the evengalists , are mankinds worse enemy
they wait for rapture and will bring a 3rd world war down on you if they could
they may just do that in a short while
remember this and you will get by

Zionists = fanatical jew
Nazi = german fanatic
evangalist = America's fanatical religion that wants to quicken their Rapture with the 3rd world war

Islamic extremist = islams fanatics

canuk = canada's extremist anti american propagaganda hunters

as far as should america continue building military bases in Isreal and to continue to support Isreal why not
The wmds will be coming to america now anyways ,its too late now the WTC is in rubble
When iran's nukes get smuggled across your open border with mexico stuffed in a mexican made FUSION
there will only be
CON - FUSION
 
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some pics of Isreal
Us military base
http://www.rense.com/general66/excl.htm
To witness Israel's loss of sovereignty, take Route 443 to the Rosh Haayin junction. Drive ten minutes until you see Rantis Junction. The sign points to Beit Arye, and Halamish. Turn right. The base is a mile away on the left side. To salute the American flag, turn left at the entrance road.

even Isreal must bow to American ELITE nazis

an odd question
Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin
they want to reopen the case
sharon pulls out of gaza
get the pic
 
can't help but say you must have alot of time on your hands....
 
Canuck said:
some pics of Isreal
Us military base
http://www.rense.com/general66/excl.htm
To witness Israel's loss of sovereignty, take Route 443 to the Rosh Haayin junction. Drive ten minutes until you see Rantis Junction. The sign points to Beit Arye, and Halamish. Turn right. The base is a mile away on the left side. To salute the American flag, turn left at the entrance road.

even Isreal must bow to American ELITE nazis

an odd question
Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin
they want to reopen the case
sharon pulls out of gaza
get the pic

This the pic you were talking about? It was on the site you linked to.

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Wow, and we're nazis.
 
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Tashah said:
Actually, I don't think Hamas would subscribe to your view of Israeli precision targeting at all.

You have an interesting way of putting things into perspective heh heh :).
 
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