America Could Use a Liberal Party

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I might be putting my dissatisfaction with the Liberal Party of Canada on the Democratic Party. I'm not at all happy with the current Liberal leader, I think he's steering hard aport and maybe I see the Dems through the same lens.
Here in Canada the third party is the NDP who are pretty socialist and hard left.

There are reasonable dem-soc people here, some even on this forum.
But there's no unity here among the various "appellations" of socialists even between themselves here in the US, much less any unity with the mainstream Democrats.
Thing is, I actually learned this the hard way because I wasn't thrilled with either Hillary or Biden, so I backed Bernie with the thought that despite Bernie's hard left stance, there would be a filtering effect as his brand of dem-soc "percolated" through the more moderate environment in the Democratic Party.
So I actually figured a "President Sanders" would end up being a more "moderate" leader in the long run despite his more progressive stance.
I was counting on his pragmatism, he thinks in practical terms, he's not "a bomb-throwing radical."

Well, guess what? Sanders supporters went in two different directions, directions I didn't expect, one toward the far-left (much more far left than Bernie) and the other segment went to TRUMP! (accelerationists teaching America a lesson - that's the "brocialist" movement)
I was not prepared for that, and I wasn't prepared for the eventual evaporation of Bernie support.
He never got the chance.
And that's how I wound up backing Biden in the end.
And yes, of course, I am wishing Biden would be slightly more progressive but he's fine.
I guess I am slightly to the left of Biden, slightly to the right of Bernie.

I can't imagine an independent third party on the Left getting anything approaching meaningful support, if only because it's too much "our way or the highway" with them, just as it is with Trump Republicans.
It's the same intractability, the same narrow view, the same radicalization, the same refusal to cooperate.

Biden didn't win because of support from the Far Left here.
He won because of support from mainstream Dems, liberal leaning independents and miraculously, support from disenchanted Republicans who left the party and threw support to Biden because of their horror at Trump.
Biden won as a moderate.
It's the RW media that casts him and his administration as "radical leftist", but then again these are the same people who a generation ago cast Eisenhower as a communist sympathizer!

 

[Bullseye]

Biden is a moderate.

The Democrats nominated and elected a moderate.

The sad thing is you actually believe that.

 

[Buckeyes85]

If you could care less, you care A LOT about it.

Every single conservative voter who criticizes the Democratic Party on DP calls us socialists and Communists. It is not just the rattlesnake worshipers spouting that stupid lie.

Yea, good catch. I've shortened/misused that phrase my entire life as do most people in my neck of the woods. So let me clarify, I couldn't care less.

 

[RealityNow]

I agree, america could use a liberal party, and if they defend the constitution , I might even join them .

The Constitution is "A Living Document", it was designed to adopt Amendments to Advance Society and Nation. The Preamble, has a Phrase, "to form a more perfect union.. and it also say's "promote the general Welfare. ("those are liberal progressive statements")

The Preamble​

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[Razoo]

Also known as the centrists.

I would not agree..........

 

[Hypothetical]

The Constitution is "A Living Document",

AND there is an ESTABLISHED way to modify it.

 

[jnug]

Opinion | America Could Use a Liberal Party (Published 2021)

The new division in politics isn’t between liberals and conservatives. It’s between liberals and illiberals.

www.nytimes.com

IMO, the two legacy parties no longer adequately represent that volume of space where most of America exists politically.

But the first one that jumps to create a 3rd party gets creamed for at least 3 if not 4 election cycles. The DEM Party can't afford that at present though the GOP is so desperate now that they are capable of anything......OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!

Modify the filibuster. Pass HR1/SR1. That should be the ultimate if not penultimate nail in the GOP coffin. Then maybe we can talk reasonably about third parties.

 

[Jay59]

IMO, the two legacy parties no longer adequately represent that volume of space where most of America exists politically.

I have to wonder what the NYT knows about liberalism. They have been statist for generations.

The Constitution is "A Living Document", it was designed to adopt Amendments to Advance Society and Nation. The Preamble, has a Phrase, "to form a more perfect union.. and it also say's "promote the general Welfare. ("those are liberal progressive statements")

Those liberal sentiments are currently best represented by the Republican party.

The Preamble, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Jefferson cribbed extensively from John Locke, who was a lot closer to Republican ideals of individual responsibility and freedom than the federalism of today's Democrats.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Claiming one is a moderate and policy governing as a moderate are two different things. To some I'm sure Stalin was a moderate, "moderate" being a very subjective term and easily misconstrued.

Biden is governing as a moderate......which is why the left is often not happy with him.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Just one example, do you really consider it "moderate" to create a humanitarian crisis and throw open our southern border?

Biden did not "throw open the border". You need better sources, you are being manipulated.

 

[NolanVoyd]

The sad thing is you actually believe that.

Because it is a fact.

Bernie lost. Biden won.

Obviously.

 

[Rawley]

Biden did not "throw open the border". You need better sources, you are being manipulated.

LOL Backatcha

 

[NolanVoyd]

LOL Backatcha

Your claim that Biden "threw open the border" is, verifiably, factually false.

Right wing media is feeding you misinformation again.

Facts matter.

 

[RealityNow]

AND there is an ESTABLISHED way to modify it.

There are many provision available, unless one is educated in the processes that have been put in place by Congress and what is supported by the Courts... often time the general public has no detailed concept of the scope and expanse of options available. The fact is... it was designed to allow growth and adaptations and modification to address, be it for curtailments, as well as modification to clarify and modification to expand.

Folklore Opinions about what the Constitution said... is nothing more than Folklore Opinions. The people who don't grasp the depth of governance interoperation's and legal decisions and statues, .... is only functioning from their "folklore unsubstantiated opinions".
FOLKLORE is these regards is "DANGEROUS".... much of Folklore is passed on filled with a great deal of "Confabulations", as well as "Stagnant Concepts", that does not embrace the fact that life is full of growth, and change, and much of that change is built from the sanctioned interpretation of Policy and Law.

Many People who always say, "The Constitution".... and "My Rights", have no formal Training in Constitution Law.

The average person has not legal training that even helps them understand "contracts they sign", and depending on the type of contract, many places tell people to seek out legal counsel to help them understand what they are about to sign.

We have people everyday, who sign things to invest their money and don't know the details of investment terms of the agreements.

 

[Rawley]

Your claim that Biden "threw open the border" is, verifiably, factually false.

Right wing media is feeding you misinformation again.

Facts matter.

Perhaps your left wing media hasn't' informed you that Biden ripped up the Asylum Cooperative Agreements with El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Or that he ripped up the Remain in Mexico agreement with the government of Mexico. That he reinstituted a catch and release policy. That he admitted 25,000 "asylum" seekers. That he expects to admit 120,000 illegally entering children. That he halted any further construction on our southern border. And best of all, he promised them all US citizenship

Has your left wing media filled you in on any of those facts?

 

[craig]

Biden is a moderate.

The Democrats nominated and elected a moderate.

And moderate republicans need to support him so he can govern without the extreme left. A coalition of moderates from both parties can govern and marginalize the two extremes.

 

[craig]

Just one example, do you really consider it "moderate" to create a humanitarian crisis and throw open our southern border?

Are your other examples also untrue?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Perhaps your left wing media hasn't' informed you that Biden ripped up the Asylum Cooperative Agreements with El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Or that he ripped up the Remain in Mexico agreement with the government of Mexico. That he reinstituted a catch and release policy. That he admitted 25,000 "asylum" seekers. That he expects to admit 120,000 illegally entering children. That he halted any further construction on our southern border. And best of all, he promised them all US citizenship

Has your left wing media filled you in on any of those facts?

Your claim that Biden "threw open the border",as well as much of your above post is ridiculously factually false.

Right wing media is feeding you misinformation again.

Facts matter.

 

[RealityNow]

Perhaps your left wing media hasn't' informed you that Biden ripped up the Asylum Cooperative Agreements with El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Or that he ripped up the Remain in Mexico agreement with the government of Mexico. That he reinstituted a catch and release policy. That he admitted 25,000 "asylum" seekers. That he expects to admit 120,000 illegally entering children. That he halted any further construction on our southern border. And best of all, he promised them all US citizenship

Has your left wing media filled you in on any of those facts?

If would be better if you invest to research and read.... rather than promote spin that you have no details to support. You should have invested to see what replaced the previous policy, It's quitely likely you don't have the political policy training or the legal training to understand what provisions and policy principles that replaced any documents that are repealed.

Biden does not function like Trump who set out to repeal everything Obama did, and much of it he had nothing beneficial to nation, people and diplomacy principles to replaces. Biden has decades of experience in how bills are crafted, and he also has respect for the category specific professional to work on any changes he makes.
He does not shoot from the hip like Trump nor does he intimated people to promote to push unsubstantiated and unjustifiable policy such as what Trump did.

Biden is a President, he understand that being a Presiding Officer, does not mean he is a "dictator".. nor does he try to govern like a dictator.

 

[Rawley]

If would be better if you invest to research and read.... rather than promote spin that you have no details to support. You should have invested to see what replaced the previous policy, It's quitely likely you don't have the political policy training or the legal training to understand what provisions and policy principles that replaced any documents that are repealed.

Biden does not function like Trump who set out to repeal everything Obama did, and much of it he had nothing beneficial to nation, people and diplomacy principles to replaces. Biden has decades of experience in how bills are crafted, and he also has respect for the category specific professional to work on any changes he makes.
He does not shoot from the hip like Trump nor does he intimated people to promote to push unsubstantiated and unjustifiable policy such as what Trump did.

Biden is a President, he understand that being a Presiding Officer, does not mean he is a "dictator".. nor does he try to govern like a dictator.

Ad hominum the best you got? Sad

 

[RealityNow]

Those liberal sentiments are currently best represented by the Republican party.

Why would you make such a JOKE... Everyone knows that is so far from Fact, that its absurd that anyone would even make such a statement.

 

[Rawley]

Your claim that Biden "threw open the border",as well as much of your above post is ridiculously factually false.

Right wing media is feeding you misinformation again.

Facts matter.

Yup I gave you seven incontrovertable ways he's thrown open the door. You've provided none in his defense.

 

[RealityNow]

Ad hominum the best you got? Sad

I don't care that you respresent the sae continual denial of truth and facts that we've seen incessantly within the ranks of Republicanism, who claim the label of Conservatism.

 

[Rawley]

I don't care that you respresent the sae continual denial of truth and facts that we've seen incessantly within the ranks of Republicanism, who claim the label of Conservatism.

Understood. The administration has given you absolutely nothing to rebut the facts on Biden's open border immigration policy that I gave to Nolan.

 

[RealityNow]

Understood. The administration has given you absolutely nothing to rebut the facts on Biden's open border immigration policy that I gave to Nolan.

You can push your spin, and that's all it amounts to.... If you have not read any of the policy... pushing your right wing folklore spin, is only a self deluding cycle of willful ignorance to the fact, you have not read anything about the immigrant policies. No one other than Conservatives, would buy into your folklore spin cycle of commentary.

Suggestion: Reading and Learning would be beneficial, if you'd invest in doing so.