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America begs China to avoid confrontations

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The U.S. Navy's top officer said he urged China to follow international rules at sea to avoid confrontations and insisted Friday that ships should be able to pass safely though disputed areas of the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait.

Chief of U.S. Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson told reporters in Tokyo that U.S. Navy ships will continue to operate freely in international waters, including the possibility of an aircraft carrier navigating through the Taiwan Strait.

Richardson, who held meetings in China earlier this week, said he told Chinese officials that the U.S. is committed to a one-China policy and is opposed to any unilateral action "from either side of the strait" to change the status quo.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-us-navy-officer-urges-china-avoid-confrontations-120949889.html

That will work....Not!

It is power that matters, China has it, the dying and exhausted West does not.
 
Trump's tariffs continue to hammer the Chinese economy.

And the global economy is dead man walking, maybe China gets to lead in the collapse.

See I can assure you that Trump never thought that far.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-us-navy-officer-urges-china-avoid-confrontations-120949889.html

That will work....Not!

It is power that matters, China has it, the dying and exhausted West does not.

urge
[ərj]

VERB

try earnestly or persistently to persuade (someone) to do something.

beg
[beɡ]

VERB

ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
"she begged me to say nothing to her father" · [more]
synonyms:
beseech · entreat · implore · adjure · plead with · appeal to · pray to · ask · [more]

ask for (something) earnestly or humbly.
"he begged their forgiveness" · [more]
synonyms:
ask for · request · plead for · appeal for · call for · sue for · solicit · [more]

ask formally for (permission to do something).
"I will now beg leave to make some observations" · [more]

ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
"a young woman was begging in the street" · [more]
synonyms:
ask for money · solicit money · seek charity · seek alms · sponge · [more]

So...your article uses the word "urge", but somehow this equates, in your mind, the word "beg". :roll:
 
And the global economy is dead man walking, maybe China gets to lead in the collapse.

See I can assure you that Trump never thought that far.

Or, maybe, China will be willing to talk? As a bonus, maybe China will ease off on some of their tariffs against American exports (which could bolster American workers and jobs). If anything else, you must agree China is evil and menacing and someone must bring them to bear.
 
urge
[ərj]

VERB

try earnestly or persistently to persuade (someone) to do something.

beg
[beɡ]

VERB

ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
"she begged me to say nothing to her father" · [more]
synonyms:
beseech · entreat · implore · adjure · plead with · appeal to · pray to · ask · [more]

ask for (something) earnestly or humbly.
"he begged their forgiveness" · [more]
synonyms:
ask for · request · plead for · appeal for · call for · sue for · solicit · [more]

ask formally for (permission to do something).
"I will now beg leave to make some observations" · [more]

ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
"a young woman was begging in the street" · [more]
synonyms:
ask for money · solicit money · seek charity · seek alms · sponge · [more]

So...your article uses the word "urge", but somehow this equates, in your mind, the word "beg". :roll:

False, I employed my superior understanding of the situation.
 
Or, maybe, China will be willing to talk? As a bonus, maybe China will ease off on some of their tariffs against American exports (which could bolster American workers and jobs). If anything else, you must agree China is evil and menacing and someone must bring them to bear.

Listen Up: There is no reason for China to talk, we have turned up Lame, now is the time for China to grab power, and grab is what they are doing.

Look at what takes place in Washington and as well how broken Europe is.

These people are not stupid.
 
all world leaders now know that if you stroke Trump ego a bit you'll get what you want. they're just playing with our president militarily and economically.
 
Trump's tariffs continue to hammer the USA economy.
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Really? You must not be from the US. Fifty year highs in employment in many sectors of the economy.
 
all world leaders now know that if you stroke Trump ego a bit you'll get what you want. they're just playing with our president militarily and economically.

You sound like N.Korea's leader.
 
Or, maybe, China will be willing to talk? As a bonus, maybe China will ease off on some of their tariffs against American exports (which could bolster American workers and jobs). If anything else, you must agree China is evil and menacing and someone must bring them to bear.

China is not "evil and menacing," the USA is evil and menacing and threatening in waters 7-8,000 miles from our shoreline. The USA is the "agente provacatuer" in this matter. Taiwan was part of China until their civil war and Chou en Lai took his rebels to Formosa/Taiwan, a Chinese island territory. The USA supported Taiwan/Chou on that island for years or it would have reverted to Mainland Chinese control yeras ago. China has never relinquished claims to Taiwan and that is why it claims the territorial seas adjacent to the island. All of this is common knowledge, but the USA pretends it is not, almost. They no longer deny the One China claim. Big Corporate money on Taiwan is what has prevented Taiwan from reuniting with the Mainland. China will not talk because it considers the One China unnegotiable.
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Really? You must not be from the US. Fifty year highs in employment in many sectors of the economy.

he tariffs are paid by USA citizens. The tariff is passed on to retail customers a/k/a You, me, Grandma and the dog.
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China is not "evil and menacing," the USA is evil and menacing and threatening in waters 7-8,000 miles from our shoreline. The USA is the "agente provacatuer" in this matter. Taiwan was part of China until their civil war and Chou en Lai took his rebels to Formosa/Taiwan, a Chinese island territory. The USA supported Taiwan/Chou on that island for years or it would have reverted to Mainland Chinese control yeras ago. China has never relinquished claims to Taiwan and that is why it claims the territorial seas adjacent to the island. All of this is common knowledge, but the USA pretends it is not, almost. They no longer deny the One China claim. Big Corporate money on Taiwan is what has prevented Taiwan from reuniting with the Mainland. China will not talk because it considers the One China unnegotiable.
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The OP mentioned the South China sea. China has built artificial islands where they had put military bases and equipment. China is menacing in the South China Sea. Who's gonna deter China from their acts of imperialism? The EU? *SNORT* NATO? *SNORT* Russia? *SNORT* The UN *PLEASE*. Anyone but the US and, maybe, Israel?
 
The OP mentioned the South China sea. China has built artificial islands where they had put military bases and equipment. China is menacing in the South China Sea. Who's gonna deter China from their acts of imperialism? The EU? *SNORT* NATO? *SNORT* Russia? *SNORT* The UN *PLEASE*. Anyone but the US and, maybe, Israel?

Perhaps China has noticed the USA "good neighbor" policy that brings poverty, chaos, destruction and death wherever its' military touches down like Syria, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, Libya, and the list goes on. Ergo they give the USA a polite middle finger and a no thank you, we don't need any help in the South China Sea or Taiwan Strait.
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Perhaps China has noticed the USA "good neighbor" policy that brings poverty, chaos, destruction and death wherever its' military touches down like Syria, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, Libya, and the list goes on. Ergo they give the USA a polite middle finger and a no thank you, we don't need any help in the South China Sea or Taiwan Strait.
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Yeah. The US is involved in too many theatres of war throughout the world. But Trump is having a hard time getting the US out of even Syria. There are vested interests (special interests, IMO) in Washington that want these perpetual wars the US is engaged in for moral or monetary gain, I guess.
 
China is not "evil and menacing," the USA is evil and menacing and threatening in waters 7-8,000 miles from our shoreline. The USA is the "agente provacatuer" in this matter. Taiwan was part of China until their civil war and Chou en Lai took his rebels to Formosa/Taiwan, a Chinese island territory. The USA supported Taiwan/Chou on that island for years or it would have reverted to Mainland Chinese control yeras ago. China has never relinquished claims to Taiwan and that is why it claims the territorial seas adjacent to the island. All of this is common knowledge, but the USA pretends it is not, almost. They no longer deny the One China claim. Big Corporate money on Taiwan is what has prevented Taiwan from reuniting with the Mainland. China will not talk because it considers the One China unnegotiable.
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China never occupied and/or governed Taiwan.

The ROC was founded in 1912 in China. At that time, Taiwan was under Japanese colonial rule as a result of the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki, by which the Qing ceded Taiwan to Japan.The ROC government began exercising jurisdiction over Taiwan in 1945 after Japan surrendered at the end of World War II.

The only reason any claim is made is because those fleeing mainland China during civil war went to Taiwan.

The ROC government relocated to Taiwan in 1949 while fighting a civil war with the Chinese Communist Party. Since then, the ROC has continued to exercise effective jurisdiction over the main island of Taiwan and a number of outlying islands, leaving Taiwan and China each under the rule of a different government. The authorities in Beijing have never exercised sovereignty over Taiwan or other islands administered by the ROC.
 
China is not "evil and menacing," the USA is evil and menacing and threatening in waters 7-8,000 miles from our shoreline. The USA is the "agente provacatuer" in this matter. Taiwan was part of China until their civil war and Chou en Lai took his rebels to Formosa/Taiwan, a Chinese island territory. The USA supported Taiwan/Chou on that island for years or it would have reverted to Mainland Chinese control yeras ago. China has never relinquished claims to Taiwan and that is why it claims the territorial seas adjacent to the island. All of this is common knowledge, but the USA pretends it is not, almost. They no longer deny the One China claim. Big Corporate money on Taiwan is what has prevented Taiwan from reuniting with the Mainland. China will not talk because it considers the One China unnegotiable.
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Zhou Enlai was Mao's prime minister. Your post erroneously refers to Zhou Enlai as Chou en Lai which is not an accurate transliteration of the name either. Transliteration is of course the spelling in English based on the phonics of each the Chinese and English languages respectively.

Chiang Kai Shek lost the civil war against Mao and relocated to Formosa, i.e., Taiwan, aka Republic of China. Chiang took his Guomintang party with him to Taiwan. Chiang would roll over in his tomb however knowing the Guomintang is now the pro Beijing party.

The current government is by the Democratic Progressive Party which never recognized the "One country, two systems" agreement between Beijing and the GMT in 1992. DPP recognizes one country one system which is the Taipei parlimentary system of democracy and independence from the mainland. The present is the first time voters on Taiwan have given the DPP control of both the presidency and the parliament (which is unicameral). The vast majority on Taiwan want nothing to do with the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. Even the Guomintang has backed off its pro Beijing posture concerning unification under Beijing given the party has been blown out of office throughout the island, to include losing the mayor election in Taipei for the first time.

There have been three "Taiwan Strait Crises" since Chiang and his followers settled Taiwan, each one initiated by Beijing and each one of 'em cut off at the knees by Washington. The third crisis was in 1996 when Beijing spent weeks lobbing missiles into the strait in the runup to the island's first democratic election of the president. Potus Clinton sent two aircraft carrier strike groups to the strait forcing Beijing to cease firing. The strait's been quiet since but Beijing remains hyper to this day to get some USN aircraft carrier trophies. Presently peace doesn't have much chance in the standoff because Emperor for Life Xi Jinpingpong has vowed to incorporate Taiwain into the mainland during his rule. Stay tuned because all of Trump's China advisors to include John Bolton are old Taiwan hands. After being exiled in Washington for decades the Taiwan independence guys have Trump's ear and they want diplomatic relations yesterday. You know of course Trump himself hates China.

I still have a question for you Fagan. You posted some time ago you fought in Vietnam and that you volunteered but you've never answered my inquiry as to which side you volunteered to fight on. So yet again, on which side did you volunteer to fight with Vietnam.
 
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Listen Up: There is no reason for China to talk, we have turned up Lame, now is the time for China to grab power, and grab is what they are doing.

Look at what takes place in Washington and as well how broken Europe is.

These people are not stupid.

Yes. I'm afraid of China, too, much more so than Russia.
 
Zhou Enlai was Mao's prime minister. Your post erroneously refers to Zhou Enlai as Chou en Lai which is not an accurate transliteration of the name either. Transliteration is of course the spelling in English based on the phonics of each the Chinese and English languages respectively.

Chiang Kai Shek lost the civil war against Mao and relocated to Formosa, i.e., Taiwan, aka Republic of China. Chiang took his Guomintang party with him to Taiwan. Chiang would roll over in his tomb however knowing the Guomintang is now the pro Beijing party.

The current government is by the Democratic Progressive Party which never recognized the "One country, two systems" agreement between Beijing and the GMT in 1992. DPP recognizes one country one system which is the Taipei parlimentary system of democracy and independence from the mainland. The present is the first time voters on Taiwan have given the DPP control of both the presidency and the parliament (which is unicameral). The vast majority on Taiwan want nothing to do with the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. Even the Guomintang has backed off its pro Beijing posture concerning unification under Beijing given the party has been blown out of office throughout the island, to include losing the mayor election in Taipei for the first time.

There have been three "Taiwan Strait Crises" since Chiang and his followers settled Taiwan, each one initiated by Beijing and each one of 'em cut off at the knees by Washington. The third crisis was in 1996 when Beijing spent weeks lobbing missiles into the strait in the runup to the island's first democratic election of the president. Potus Clinton sent two aircraft carrier strike groups to the strait forcing Beijing to cease firing. The strait's been quiet since but Beijing remains hyper to this day to get some USN aircraft carrier trophies. Presently peace doesn't have much chance in the standoff because Emperor for Life Xi Jinpingpong has vowed to incorporate Taiwain into the mainland during his rule. Stay tuned because all of Trump's China advisors to include John Bolton are old Taiwan hands. After being exiled in Washington for decades the Taiwan independence guys have Trump's ear and they want diplomatic relations yesterday. You know of course Trump himself hates China.

I still have a question for you Fagan. You posted some time ago you fought in Vietnam and that you volunteered but you've never answered my inquiry as to which side you volunteered to fight on. So yet again, on which side did you volunteer to fight with Vietnam.

I fought on the side that gives you the freedom to post such ignorance.
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Zhou Enlai was Mao's prime minister. Your post erroneously refers to Zhou Enlai as Chou en Lai which is not an accurate transliteration of the name either. Transliteration is of course the spelling in English based on the phonics of each the Chinese and English languages respectively.

Chiang Kai Shek lost the civil war against Mao and relocated to Formosa, i.e., Taiwan, aka Republic of China. Chiang took his Guomintang party with him to Taiwan. Chiang would roll over in his tomb however knowing the Guomintang is now the pro Beijing party.

The current government is by the Democratic Progressive Party which never recognized the "One country, two systems" agreement between Beijing and the GMT in 1992. DPP recognizes one country one system which is the Taipei parlimentary system of democracy and independence from the mainland. The present is the first time voters on Taiwan have given the DPP control of both the presidency and the parliament (which is unicameral). The vast majority on Taiwan want nothing to do with the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. Even the Guomintang has backed off its pro Beijing posture concerning unification under Beijing given the party has been blown out of office throughout the island, to include losing the mayor election in Taipei for the first time.

There have been three "Taiwan Strait Crises" since Chiang and his followers settled Taiwan, each one initiated by Beijing and each one of 'em cut off at the knees by Washington. The third crisis was in 1996 when Beijing spent weeks lobbing missiles into the strait in the runup to the island's first democratic election of the president. Potus Clinton sent two aircraft carrier strike groups to the strait forcing Beijing to cease firing. The strait's been quiet since but Beijing remains hyper to this day to get some USN aircraft carrier trophies. Presently peace doesn't have much chance in the standoff because Emperor for Life Xi Jinpingpong has vowed to incorporate Taiwain into the mainland during his rule. Stay tuned because all of Trump's China advisors to include John Bolton are old Taiwan hands. After being exiled in Washington for decades the Taiwan independence guys have Trump's ear and they want diplomatic relations yesterday. You know of course Trump himself hates China.

I still have a question for you Fagan. You posted some time ago you fought in Vietnam and that you volunteered but you've never answered my inquiry as to which side you volunteered to fight on. So yet again, on which side did you volunteer to fight with Vietnam.

Upon further review, I can conclude from your avatar that you may fall into the same category of Great Americans like "Sh*tty Pants" Ted Nugent, "Bone Spurs" Trump, "Darth" Cheney and others, typically draft dodgers, frauds, and/or cowards, that unfailingly wear that flag wavin' lapel pin to rebuke reality.
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