John Liberty
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- Jun 30, 2013
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I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool. I have no sympathy for China, they have spent gazillions on their own hacking capabilities.
He told Americans that their government was spying on them and compromising their rights. He leaked it to Americans not China. Get your facts straight please.
He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool. I have no sympathy for China, they have spent gazillions on their own hacking capabilities.
I don't think it's clear yet about the story bet/ him and the NSA, but Snowden telling the Chinese the we've been hacking their systems is not cool.
Snowden is condemning the same institution he worked for; he feels guilty about having worked for it. That's why he came clean.
The "I want to do something good for my country" line is BS. Everyone from coast-to-coast who bothered to pick up a decent newspaper (obviously not palin) knew the NSA had a massive snooping facility waaaaaaaay before Snowden's "revelation", even if they didn't know that it was called.
Snowden did the honorable thing, but the real sadness in his heart is for having been on the other side.
And in fact, because he was on the other side, he should be punished.
True, but do you think they didn't know? The revelation, although perhaps it shouldn't have been a big surprise, was that the government was collecting data on all Americans, not just an identified few.
He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.
The NSA, and other U.S. gov't agencies, are involved in SIGINT which is no secret at all, it is the very basis for the NSA. Whether the nature of classified information "bothers" a person is not considered an excuse for publically releasing that information. The disclosure of classified information is a crime not mitigated by the alleged motives for its release. If one party of a communication is suspected to be a "terrorist" then the further examination of this activity is legal under the Patriot Act (Title II), FISA and/or EPCA.
Signals intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NSA/CSS Mission, Vision, Values - NSA/CSS
Patriot Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
True, but do you think they didn't know? The revelation, although perhaps it shouldn't have been a big surprise, was that the government was collecting data on all Americans, not just an identified few.
He didn't exactly leak "sensitive" info. It does not leak our national security in any way. He was merely telling the people
what they DESERVED to know. Even if it was somewhat common knowledge, it's always better to have confirmation.
You know this how? What are the criminal charges for which extradition is being sought?
How does the information that America is spying on U.S citizens affect Russians? How does it leave us vulnerable to attack? Please explain this to me.
True, but do you think they didn't know?
The NSA, and other U.S. gov't agencies, are involved in SIGINT which is no secret at all, it is the very basis for the NSA. Whether the nature of classified information "bothers" a person is not considered an excuse for publically releasing that information. The disclosure of classified information is a crime not mitigated by the alleged motives for its release. If one party of a communication is suspected to be a "terrorist" then the further examination of this activity is legal under the Patriot Act (Title II), FISA and/or EPCA.
Signals intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NSA/CSS Mission, Vision, Values - NSA/CSS
Patriot Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just the same, did Americans not know that the NSA was monitoring phone lines?
So just because there is a law makes what the laws say right in your mind. {snip remaining rant}[?QUOTE]
Obviously we should all break the laws, that we do not agree with, and then quickly flee the country to avoid prosecution. That is the sure sign of an honest person with strong priciples and the will to back them up. If he was the "hero" that you allege, then why did he not simply state his concern and await his exoneration (jury nullification or even sainthood) in jail?
I would assume criminals did, but it would seem regular people were quite unaware this was actually going on. The only thing I find odd is it seems the Obama haters knew it was going on yet mysteriously trust him to do the right thing. It is not a power I would give a elected position which might fall into unscrupulous hands like a politician.
I would assume criminals did, but it would seem regular people were quite unaware this was actually going on. The only thing I find odd is it seems the Obama haters knew it was going on yet mysteriously trust him to do the right thing. It is not a power I would give a elected position which might fall into unscrupulous hands like a politician.
The NSA wiretapping scandal began in 2001. It had even been revealed that the NSA had a contract with several large telecommunications companies that allowed the monitoring and tracking of calls without wiretaps. This has been ongoing for 12 years, and nothing new was revealed. Americans just have pathetically short memory spans.