Am I a Political Bigot? (1 Viewer)

[ptsdkid]

BIGOT: one intolerantly devoted to his or her own prejudices or opinions.

Of course all of the following scenarios are hypothetical in nature, but are still important in evaluating political bigotry.

Would I be a ‘BIGOT’ if I were to:

** Voice concern of a Jewish conspiracy for world domination as seen by their control of America’s entertainment industry, of our financial institutions, of our major media outlets including television, newspapers and radio, and of their backing of the ACLU in destroying every visage of our Christian traditions as held by our founding fathers.

** Call a spade a spade by voicing concern that the Black entertainment industry is poisoning our children’s minds with the exposure of rap lyrics that clearly call for the killing of ’whitey’ and white officers (pigs), and the devaluing and degeneration of our women from every race, by calling them ho’s etc.
By pointing out that Blacks have significantly lower IQ’s than both White and Asian Americans.
That Blacks represent approximately 12% of our population, yet they represent 50% of our incarcerated.

** Call myself a ‘White Pride Nationalist’ as I defend and propagate my ‘Whiteness’ if you will, so as to insure that my founding fathers heritage and legacy stays intact, and actually flourishes for future generations to come.

** Use the word ‘WETBACK’ as it properly denotes the illegal intentions of usually a Mexican in their attempt to cross the Rio Grande river to find umbrage in America.

** In calling certain Congressional liberals un or anti American because they call our own troops cowards, murderers and terrorists.

** By calling those in the NOW or feminist movements…’FEMANAZIS’ because they are a militant group of butt ugly lesbians hell bent on emasculating the male gender in America. One would only need to see the face of and read the works of Betty Freidan (the lesbian’s leader) to understand my point here.

** By calling for the profiling of young Muslim looking men at all of our airports because so far all international terrorists have fit that profiling description to a t.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

After reading how you worded those scenarios, I'd call you a straight up bigot, with or without the political part.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I would certainly call you a bigot, I have, but only in a few of the ones I listed below are the ones where I see you being biggotted instead of realistic. Those are highlighted in red.

** Voice concern of a Jewish conspiracy for world domination as seen by their control of America’s entertainment industry, of our financial institutions, of our major media outlets including television, newspapers and radio, and of their backing of the ACLU in destroying every visage of our Christian traditions as held by our founding fathers.

Saying "I think the jews own/control everything" isnt biggotted. Nor is disagreeing with the ACLU.

** Call a spade a spade by voicing concern that the Black entertainment industry is poisoning our children’s minds with the exposure of rap lyrics that clearly call for the killing of ’whitey’ and white officers (pigs), and the devaluing and degeneration of our women from every race, by calling them ho’s etc.

No bigotry here, just a misunderstanding of the music and the % that actually is "gangsta rap." Poisoning? Even if you're using it figuratively its a poor choice of wording. Brainwashing be a better word, and it wouldnt a misunderstanding if you said that they were "Brainwashing your children into a false worldview where sucess is easy, the police are the bad guys, and that women are to be mistreated."

By pointing out that Blacks have significantly lower IQ’s than both White and Asian Americans.
That Blacks represent approximately 12% of our population, yet they represent 50% of our incarcerated.

Here is where you start to get a little misleading, first of all what is "significant." Secondly what is the implication for black in comparison to whites, and do those same implications also apply to Whites when compared to asians?

Also the incarceration #'s are largely to do with both the War on Drugs and poverty.

** Call myself a ‘White Pride Nationalist’ as I defend and propagate my ‘Whiteness’ if you will, so as to insure that my founding fathers heritage and legacy stays intact, and actually flourishes for future generations to come.

There is nothing wrong with pride in your heritage or legacy, providing that your heritage is full of accomplishments or your legacy is documented. Anything is is just pride in circumstances you couldnt control, and that make no difference.

First of all, what does the heritage of our founding fathers have to do with "Whiteness?" And when you say "to ensure that your legacy remains intact and flourishes for future generations" do you mean "Stays white." Because if so: 1. Why? and 2. You have no control over the sexual choices of your future bloodline, so good luck

** Use the word ‘WETBACK’ as it properly denotes the illegal intentions of usually a Mexican in their attempt to cross the Rio Grande river to find umbrage in America.

The term wetback has nothing to do with the act of immigration, it implies the nature of their work. Typically field or landscaping work in which their shirts are soaked from sweat. Using this term can be seen as biggotted because its a generalization about the whole of mexicans, and is used derogatively.

** In calling certain Congressional liberals un or anti American because they call our own troops cowards, murderers and terrorists.

This is an example of political bigotry, simply because 1. You're generalizing about a population due to the statements of its minority. Only the nut jobs who arent taken seriously call troops "murderers and terrorists."

2. That statement isnt true, you call ALL liberals or pacifists "treasonous al-queda sympathizers etc..."

** By calling for the profiling of young Muslim looking men at all of our airports because so far all international terrorists have fit that profiling description to a t.

Not at all biggotted. Checking grandma's over Habib's is any example of American PC bullshit.

 

[Captain America]

I just think you are a poor, unfortunant, misquided person who has to deal with mental illness the best way you know how. I think the years of psychotropic medications and therapy has taken a toll on your thought processes.

Further, I don't blame you for your inadequacies no more than I would blame someone in a wheelchair for blocking the aisle.

In fact, I think it's really kinda sad. My heart goes out to the disabled.

 

[americanwoman]

Not only are you a bigot but using deragatory words like 'wetback' makes you a racist also.

 

[ptsdkid]

I just think you are a poor, unfortunant, misquided person who has to deal with mental illness the best way you know how. I think the years of psychotropic medications and therapy has taken a toll on your thought processes.

Further, I don't blame you for your inadequacies no more than I would blame someone in a wheelchair for blocking the aisle.

In fact, I think it's really kinda sad. My heart goes out to the disabled.

***Thank you for the kind words, oh Capitante. Remind me if I wonder from reason at times to always look up to you for inspiration and a forward looking message.

 

[mpg]

After reading how you worded those scenarios, I'd call you a straight up bigot, with or without the political part.

That was my immediate reaction.

 

[Sir_Alec]

That was my immediate reaction.

That would make me the third.

 

[ptsdkid]

I would certainly call you a bigot, I have, but only in a few of the ones I listed below are the ones where I see you being biggotted instead of realistic. Those are highlighted in red.

***Yeah, I agree with you. I can't believe that someone had actually voted 'NO', that the scenarios posted did not warrant a political bigot. Keep in mind my definition of 'bigot' that clearly stated an intolerant devotion to his or hers own prejudices. Anyone claiming to debate politics is indeed a political bigot...are they not?



Saying "I think the jews own/control everything" isnt biggotted. Nor is disagreeing with the ACLU.

***I agree, making that statement certainly shows me to have a bigoted political opinion. Now, bigoted based on prejuide is another animal altogether.



No bigotry here, just a misunderstanding of the music and the % that actually is "gangsta rap." Poisoning? Even if you're using it figuratively its a poor choice of wording. Brainwashing be a better word, and it wouldnt a misunderstanding if you said that they were "Brainwashing your children into a false worldview where sucess is easy, the police are the bad guys, and that women are to be mistreated."

***I think the word poison is the perfect word to use here. If you could see what listening to this rap crap music 24/7 has done to my 16 year old son--you too would call it a poison.



Here is where you start to get a little misleading, first of all what is "significant." Secondly what is the implication for black in comparison to whites, and do those same implications also apply to Whites when compared to asians?

***I do not have the figures in front of me, and I'm too lazy to look them up now, but the IQ difference between Blacks and Whites is around 15 to 20%. Don't quote me on that figure--it could be higher. And yes, whites have a lower IQ than Asians, but only by around 6 or 7% or so.

Also the incarceration #'s are largely to do with both the War on Drugs and poverty.

***Sounds like a problem to be dealt with by those touchy feely liberal leaders like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpen to help straighten out. Still, the facts of incarceration do not lie.



There is nothing wrong with pride in your heritage or legacy, providing that your heritage is full of accomplishments or your legacy is documented. Anything is is just pride in circumstances you couldnt control, and that make no difference.

***I have documentation that I am a descendant of two of our presidents in John and John Quincy Adams. Need I list the accomplishments of our English founding fathers?

First of all, what does the heritage of our founding fathers have to do with "Whiteness?" And when you say "to ensure that your legacy remains intact and flourishes for future generations" do you mean "Stays white." Because if so: 1. Why? and 2. You have no control over the sexual choices of your future bloodline, so good luck

***I'll repeat, the heritage of our founding fathers as being 96-98% English and white has everything to do with my English and white roots. Ensuring that my legacy remains intatact and flourishes does mean that it stays white, stays pure, keeps the pride, and flourishes with the pro creation of more of the same. The control I may or might not have over future generations choices is certainly much more to my liking if I teach the youngins from the git go about their legacy traits and accomplishments.



The term wetback has nothing to do with the act of immigration, it implies the nature of their work. Typically field or landscaping work in which their shirts are soaked from sweat. Using this term can be seen as biggotted because its a generalization about the whole of mexicans, and is used derogatively.

***The term 'Wetback' does have everything to do with the act of illegally immigrating. The 'wet' portion to the term describes the Mexican's condition of swimming through dangerous rivers..ala the Rio Grande. I'm not generalizing about all Mexicans here--I'm pinpointing and labeling those that partake in illegal immigration as being 'wetbacks'.



This is an example of political bigotry, simply because 1. You're generalizing about a population due to the statements of its minority. Only the nut jobs who arent taken seriously call troops "murderers and terrorists."

***So those that you are calling 'nut jobs' here in not taking our troops seriously by calling them murderers and terrorists are people like John Kerry and John Murtha. See, I'm not generalizing about a group of people here...only two such nut jobs.

2. That statement isnt true, you call ALL liberals or pacifists "treasonous al-queda sympathizers etc..."

***Well, until I see or hear from any of the liberal operatives that do not side with the terrorists or with pascifists like our former attorney general (Ramsey Clark)--then I'll just have to continue to label the such as treasonous.

 

[ptsdkid]

Not only are you a bigot but using deragatory words like 'wetback' makes you a racist also.

***So what you are saying here is that it is more derogartory to call someone a 'wetback'--which happens to be the correct term for political lexicon, then to call the actions of the 'wetback' derogartory for breaking the law. I suggest you leave political debating to those of us that have a clue, and that you enroll in the latest politically correct course being offered at Harvard so as to ease your obvious problems with sensitivity issues.

I didn't realize there was a difference between a bigot and a racist. You do realize that I presented all of those scenarios in true hypothetical fashion? I believe my first sentence in the post said as much. I have no problem in being called a racist by you. Just wish you would look up the word hypothetical first, before responding.

 

[Captain America]

***I have documentation that I am a descendant of two of our presidents in John and John Quincy Adams.

If this is true kid, you and I might be related. Seriously.

 

[americanwoman]

***So what you are saying here is that it is more derogartory to call someone a 'wetback'--which happens to be the correct term for political lexicon, then to call the actions of the 'wetback' derogartory for breaking the law. I suggest you leave political debating to those of us that have a clue, and that you enroll in the latest politically correct course being offered at Harvard so as to ease your obvious problems with sensitivity issues.

I didn't realize there was a difference between a bigot and a racist. You do realize that I presented all of those scenarios in true hypothetical fashion? I believe my first sentence in the post said as much. I have no problem in being called a racist by you. Just wish you would look up the word hypothetical first, before responding.

bigot:

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


There tends to be a difference. A small one but it is there. You are using the term wetback not to discuss an illegal motive but to clump together a whole race-mexicans- to describe them. The correct, unracist, wording would have been, "Those who are crossing the borders illegally" but no, you took it a step forward, thus showing your disdain for the Mexican race.
Now you are a bigot because you are intolerant of any culture that is in any way, shape, or form different from your own. Thus your white nationalist movement.

Maybe it was a hypothetical, which I know what that means , arguement but however there was no need to take it to the next level and use deragatory hate language which is exactly what wetback is.

 

[ProudAmerican]

once I found out you agreed with uncle on the topic of the holocaust, my mind was made up about you.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Anyone claiming to debate politics is indeed a political bigot...are they not?

Only if they are stubborn, and unrealistic about the prospect that they might be wrong.

***I think the word poison is the perfect word to use here. If you could see what listening to this rap crap music 24/7 has done to my 16 year old son--you too would call it a poison.

Is it killing your son, literally? Then it isnt a poison. My point was that your use of the word is rhetoric and spin. "Brainwash"

***I do not have the figures in front of me, and I'm too lazy to look them up now, but the IQ difference between Blacks and Whites is around 15 to 20%. Don't quote me on that figure--it could be higher. And yes, whites have a lower IQ than Asians, but only by around 6 or 7% or so.

I know that your numbers are off because the difference between whites and asians is half that of whites and blacks. But the actual #'s are irrelevant, could you address the implications?

Also the incarceration #'s are largely to do with both the War on Drugs and poverty.

***Sounds like a problem to be dealt with by those touchy feely liberal leaders like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpen to help straighten out. Still, the facts of incarceration do not lie.

No, its a problem that the Authoritarians in this country are causing with their bullshit drug war. The facts of the incarceration do not lie, the facts themselves are determined by poverty and this said war.

***I have documentation that I am a descendant of two of our presidents in John and John Quincy Adams. Need I list the accomplishments of our English founding fathers?

There were two John Quincy Adams? Either way, if that is true, its interesting how far the apple has fallen from the tree...

***I'll repeat, the heritage of our founding fathers as being 96-98% English and white has everything to do with my English and white roots.

Your roots have nothing to do with national heritage, they have everything to do with your cultural heritage, which are not the same. And your cultural heritage was of little importance to our founding fathers. Must I dig up quotes by them on the matter?

Ensuring that my legacy remains intatact and flourishes does mean that it stays white, stays pure, keeps the pride, and flourishes with the pro creation of more of the same. The control I may or might not have over future generations choices is certainly much more to my liking if I teach the youngins from the git go about their legacy traits and accomplishments.

And if they grow to disagree with you? What if skin color is of little significance to them, just as it has become with society? Even if your attempts at socialization work, you cant protect them from society's tolerance.

***The term 'Wetback' does have everything to do with the act of illegally immigrating. The 'wet' portion to the term describes the Mexican's condition of swimming through dangerous rivers..ala the Rio Grande. I'm not generalizing about all Mexicans here--I'm pinpointing and labeling those that partake in illegal immigration as being 'wetbacks'.

I wouldnt go by Wikipedia on this one, you're wrong, and even if you were right, it would still be deragatory.

***So those that you are calling 'nut jobs' here in not taking our troops seriously by calling them murderers and terrorists are people like John Kerry and John Murtha. See, I'm not generalizing about a group of people here...only two such nut jobs.

***Well, until I see or hear from any of the liberal operatives that do not side with the terrorists or with pascifists like our former attorney general (Ramsey Clark)--then I'll just have to continue to label the such as treasonous.

How does one side with the terrorists by criticizing the war? How does one become un-american through dissent? How the HELL is a Pacifist automatically a terrorist sympathizer? I just dont understand how you make these leaps?

If I understand you, the following is treasonous:

1. Being against any war (Pacifist)
2. Being critical or opposed to the Iraq war
3. Being a liberal
4. Being a democrat
5. Not agree'ing with Neocon Hawks

Do you understand how dangerous your manner of thought is? Even if you are just using the word "traitor" for the sake of political rhetoric, the term is far too heavy to be devalued by being used so lightly. Could you imagine what would happen if our Government used your standards to label, try, and convict people of treason?

If you openly tried to arrest 60%+ of the country for dissent, pacifism, liberalism, or outright libertarian thinking, you'd have a civil war on your hands, and I would be fighting for them.

Any American who considers dissent traitorous is a disgrace to the title American.

 

[doughgirl]

“No bigotry here, just a misunderstanding of the music and the % that actually is "gangsta rap." Poisoning? Even if you're using it figuratively its a poor choice of wording. Brainwashing be a better word, and it wouldnt a misunderstanding if you said that they were "Brainwashing your children into a false worldview where sucess is easy, the police are the bad guys, and that women are to be mistreated."

Misunderstanding? How could one not understand the music that is out there?

Ok take song lyrics. A black rap artist can use any terms he wants in his music, to describe anyone. Not so with white and Hispanic artists. You tred lightly........

Can they use the term n____R and n____a? No.

http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=49293&catId=49

Blacks can use the term....jokingly whatever way they want....and alls cool. Whites use the same term, called racist and all crap hits the fan. Had that schoolteacher been black this wouldnt have been an issue.

“The term wetback has nothing to do with the act of immigration, it implies the nature of their work. Typically field or landscaping work in which their shirts are soaked from sweat. Using this term can be seen as biggotted because its a generalization about the whole of mexicans, and is used derogatively.”

Now I don’t like calling people names especially a name that would demean a person who did not deserve it.……so I’m gonna play devils advocate here to prove a point.

One online dictionary says wetback is…. “Used as a disparaging term for a Mexican, especially a laborer who crosses the U.S. border illegally.”

So it does have something to do with illegal immigration. A mexican laborer in America who is a citizen wouldn’t really fall underneath this definition.


Is calling girls who sell sex for money…..prostitutes, bigoted?

How about the term “blue collar” worker? Are you a bigot in a way for using it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-collar_worker


Americanwoman gave the definition of the word “bigot”

bigot:

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

I wonder just how many people think they are not a bigot over hating Christians and what Christians stand for? Hating those who don’t accept homosexuality?

They don’t see themselves in this same light do they? But they certainly free to call others who have opinions that differ from their own……BIGOT.

racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Would all Darwinians please stand up?

About IQ's.....Darwin only said it in a different way about blacks and woman......and no one labled him a racist or bigot, or did they?
You say it today and.......your a racist.

 

[ptsdkid]

If this is true kid, you and I might be related. Seriously.

***Now wouldn't that be an ironic twist of fate?

 

[ptsdkid]

bigot:

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


There tends to be a difference. A small one but it is there. You are using the term wetback not to discuss an illegal motive but to clump together a whole race-mexicans- to describe them. The correct, unracist, wording would have been, "Those who are crossing the borders illegally" but no, you took it a step forward, thus showing your disdain for the Mexican race.

***Like I said, differences between the two are negligible at best. How is it again that I have a disdain for the Mexican race, just for pointing out a small element of their criminal populace? I have a great disdain for American liberals, but that doesn't mean that I disdain the entire American populace. I don't even disdain you, though you've given me every reason to do so.


Now you are a bigot because you are intolerant of any culture that is in any way, shape, or form different from your own. Thus your white nationalist movement.

***Looks like you're over your head here girl. The White Nationalist movement that I belong to seeks those willing and able to defend and support white people and their American traditions. Show me how doing that makes me a bigot.

Maybe it was a hypothetical, which I know what that means , arguement but however there was no need to take it to the next level and use deragatory hate language which is exactly what wetback is.

***Would you consider the calling of George Bush a second coming of Hitler any more or less derogartory than the use of 'wetback'? Good thing the moderators here have a little more bigotry tolerance than you, otherwise there would be no forum like this in which to discourse.

 

[ptsdkid]

once I found out you agreed with uncle on the topic of the holocaust, my mind was made up about you.

***Glad your mind has been put at ease. Whew, for a moment there I thought you were going to engage me with some intolerable debate.

 

[ptsdkid]

Love you Doughgirl. Glad to see that there are still a few of around that have no problem pointing out the hypocrisy of the loony left.

 

[ProudAmerican]

***Glad your mind has been put at ease. Whew, for a moment there I thought you were going to engage me with some intolerable debate.

intolerable!!!!

exactly the word I would use to describe racists and bigots.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Misunderstanding? How could one not understand the music that is out there?

Ok take song lyrics. A black rap artist can use any terms he wants in his music, to describe anyone. Not so with white and Hispanic artists. You tred lightly........

Can they use the term n____R and n____a? No.

Blacks can use the term....jokingly whatever way they want....and alls cool. Whites use the same term, called racist and all crap hits the fan. Had that schoolteacher been black this wouldnt have been an issue.

Hi, first of all what you're talking about is either censorship or the double standards between whites and blacks. Neither of which are relevent to the topic, or where you quoted me. Welcome to the thread, next time try not to hijack. This thread is about ptsdkid's "alleged" bigotry.

One online dictionary says wetback is…. “Used as a disparaging term for a Mexican, especially a laborer who crosses the U.S. border illegally.”

So it does have something to do with illegal immigration. A mexican laborer in America who is a citizen wouldn’t really fall underneath this definition.

You're talking about the context the term "wetback" is used for, not the origin of the term. Why are you on this thread again?

Is calling girls who sell sex for money…..prostitutes, bigoted?

No, thats calling a spade a spade, and has nothing to do" with ones personal prejudices. To whom is this a counter point?

How about the term “blue collar” worker? Are you a bigot in a way for using it?

No, thats just a social class. Are you debating the definition of bigot? Or is this a counter point to someone, and what point was it?

I wonder just how many people think they are not a bigot over hating Christians and what Christians stand for? Hating those who don’t accept homosexuality?

There is a big difference between bigotry and having no tolerance for intolerance.

As for what Christianity stands for, if you mean the bible literally, then hell yes I hate anyone who would take Leviticus literally, and would act on it.

"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."

If your faith would incite so much hatred for gays, adulterors, or unruly children that you would commit murder, I feel would feel arrogantly in the right by defending their lives. And it would NOT be bigotry.

Would all Darwinians please stand up?

:2wave:

About IQ's.....Darwin only said it in a different way about blacks and woman......and no one labled him a racist or bigot, or did they?

You say it today and.......your a racist.

What did Darwin say exactly? Quote please...

And by the way, Ghandi was a racist, many admired people in history were, they were just victims of their times and generally arent held accountable to modern sociology. Providing that they never acted out in hatred. ptsdkid on the other hand should know better.

 

[ptsdkid]

Is it killing your son, literally? Then it isnt a poison. My point was that your use of the word is rhetoric and spin. "Brainwash"

***Do you remember Columbine? Those two dimwits watched movies depicting violence and murder to use as background learning for their ultimate demise. So you can call rap crap what you like, but I'll stick with using 'poison' for now.



I know that your numbers are off because the difference between whites and asians is half that of whites and blacks. But the actual #'s are irrelevant, could you address the implications?

***Implications are obvious with the understanding that 'knowledge is power', and that to pick a race of people up from ghetto and impoverished living stndards--one must have the ability to learn, to comprehend, and to then utilize their learning skills where it would do the best, i.e. in the work force. The amount of Asian graduates from MIT and Harvard is staggering when you consider their small percentage of the populace.



No, its a problem that the Authoritarians in this country are causing with their bullshit drug war. The facts of the incarceration do not lie, the facts themselves are determined by poverty and this said war.

***So what you are saying here is that this bullshit drug war only causes a greater percentage of Blacks to become incarcerated, over that of whites. I agree with that statistic, but I'm having trouble following your logic as to why Blacks are more suseptible to taking and dealing drugs than of their White countetrparts.




There were two John Quincy Adams? Either way, if that is true, its interesting how far the apple has fallen from the tree...

***John Adams was our second president. John Quincy Adams was our 6th president, and John's son. The point here is that the apple hasn't even reached the ground yet, as I subscribe to nearly every single tenet of the Adams' boys.




Your roots have nothing to do with national heritage, they have everything to do with your cultural heritage, which are not the same. And your cultural heritage was of little importance to our founding fathers. Must I dig up quotes by them on the matter?

***My cultural heritage has 'everything' to do with my National heritage, as I even lived most of my life in the same state of Massachusetts, as did the Adams' boys.



And if they grow to disagree with you? What if skin color is of little significance to them, just as it has become with society? Even if your attempts at socialization work, you cant protect them from society's tolerance.

***I prefer not to dwell in this hypothetical. White pride Nationalists are doers and shakers, not the type to dwell on gloom and doom scenarios.



How does one side with the terrorists by criticizing the war? How does one become un-american through dissent? How the HELL is a Pacifist automatically a terrorist sympathizer? I just dont understand how you make these leaps?

***OK, you probably never heard this, but Jane Fonda's siding with the Vietcong led to the deaths of some 20-30 of our American troops back in 1969. Its history, and I'll leave it to you to look up the details, if you like.
When liberal Congressmen et al travel to Iraq and play their pacifist role by telling the people there that they do not support the war--it leaves a sense of discord between the American people as to our resolve in winning said war. Same could be said about the turmoil and unrest in the streets of America during the Vietnam war. It was during the Vietnam war that I believe 'Life Magazine' posted pictures of every single American casualty so as to get a sense of defeat, and of an insensitive war from the American people. If you know anything about the military and war, you would know that all these dissent features tend to break our resolve. Its just a fact.

If I understand you, the following is treasonous:

1. Being against any war (Pacifist)
2. Being critical or opposed to the Iraq war
3. Being a liberal
4. Being a democrat
5. Not agree'ing with Neocon Hawks

***You didn't want me to add to this shortened list, did you? I will if you like.


Do you understand how dangerous your manner of thought is? Even if you are just using the word "traitor" for the sake of political rhetoric, the term is far too heavy to be devalued by being used so lightly. Could you imagine what would happen if our Government used your standards to label, try, and convict people of treason?

***Again, every Vietnam veteran I know besides a John Kerry type--believes that Jane Fonda was and still is a traitor, and for good reason.

If you openly tried to arrest 60%+ of the country for dissent, pacifism, liberalism, or outright libertarian thinking, you'd have a civil war on your hands, and I would be fighting for them.

***Isn't a civil war what you liberal peacenik pacifists truly want?

Any American who considers dissent traitorous is a disgrace to the title American.[/QUOTE]

***So you consider Jane Fonda to be the epitome to what one would call a true American?

 

[Indy]

Hey PMS, why is it that everybody on this site who has voted (save for you of course) has labeled you as a racist bigot? Since you apparently take so much stock in numbers and what "america" believes then apprently you are a bigot. Now here comes your deffense against what I said, probaly something like "Don't you belong in the basement," or perhaps "I would expect a liberal like YOU to label me one but that's because you are unable to handle your own idealogical inadiquicies". Getting kinda old, but lets here it.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

***Do you remember Columbine? Those two dimwits watched movies depicting violence and murder to use as background learning for their ultimate demise. So you can call rap crap what you like, but I'll stick with using 'poison' for now.

Actually I enjoy rap, and I dont call it brainwashing either. I learned a long time ago that blaming it on the music or movies is bullshit scapegoating and oversimplification.

I agree with that statistic, but I'm having trouble following your logic as to why Blacks are more suseptible to taking and dealing drugs than of their White countetrparts.

Never in my logic or my statements did such a ridiculous assertion come up. You said it, and Im sure I know why. Its alot more complicated than that, for example if you factor in racial profiling and the ugly history of law enforcement.

The point here is that the apple hasn't even reached the ground yet, as I subscribe to nearly every single tenet of the Adams' boys.

Oh really? How about John Adam's contempt for Christianity?

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced"

Well, im from the Jeffersonian camp, you know, the one Adams eventually gave in to.

***My cultural heritage has 'everything' to do with my National heritage, as I even lived most of my life in the same state of Massachusetts, as did the Adams' boys.

Oh god... I guess thats makes you more of a patriot than me huh? Gimme a break... National Heritage is about what we as countrymen pass on to the next generation of Americans.

***I prefer not to dwell in this hypothetical. White pride Nationalists are doers and shakers, not the type to dwell on gloom and doom scenarios.

Funny, considering how often how many white pride daddies dwelled on my dating their daughters. Good luck!

Girls dont listen to their nutjob racist parents anymore. Believe me, i've dated my share of asian girls, and if you wanna see bigots, talk to conservative asian parents. (See, I can make generalizations about race too)

*Blah blah*... If you know anything about the military and war, you would know that all these dissent features tend to break our resolve. Its just a fact.

Do you understand the purpose of the first amendment?

Can you comprehend the distinction between dissent and sedition?

***You didn't want me to add to this shortened list, did you? I will if you like.

Then what I said was true, and you are beyond saving. Do your countrymen a favor and stop calling yourself a patriot, if you do.

***Isn't a civil war what you liberal peacenik pacifists truly want?

Please refer to the definition of pacifism. Their wanting war would be a contradiction.

Again, how am I a liberal? And since when am I a pacifist? I am a HARDCORE LIBERTARIAN and the only civil war you'll see me advocating is one against tyranny. Or as Jefferson put it:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

***So you consider Jane Fonda to be the epitome to what one would call a true American?

Not at all, I have no idea what her political ideology is. My idea of a patriot is one who defends the constitution from ALL enemies, foreign or domestic.

Your advocation of censorship, theocracy, and bigotry only shows your complete contempt for liberty, the 1st amendment, and the American people.

 

[ptsdkid]

Hey PMS, why is it that everybody on this site who has voted (save for you of course) has labeled you as a racist bigot? Since you apparently take so much stock in numbers and what "america" believes then apprently you are a bigot. Now here comes your deffense against what I said, probaly something like "Don't you belong in the basement," or perhaps "I would expect a liberal like YOU to label me one but that's because you are unable to handle your own idealogical inadiquicies". Getting kinda old, but lets here it.

***If you were to pay close attention to what I say here, you would see that I'm calling everyone a bigot that debates politics, and that includes you. So welcome to the bigot club.