Allowing independents and third party members to vote in primaries.

maquiscat · May 23, 2025

Tangmo said:
By 2024 so called "independents" in the swing states said fascist dictatorship is fine if it just lowers their household expenses. Which it does not do of course and never was going to do.

The numbers you can't and won't find are in the link I provided -- of course.

No they are not. What you need in order to support your claim is the numbers from the swing states themselves. The Wiki article does not have those state numbers. Simply showing any kind of shift in the swing votes isn't enough. If a state has 2 swing voters (again numbers for example's sake), and both voted Democrat in 20 and then both shifted to Trump in 24,, while that is indeed a 100% shift in the vote, it is not enough to change the result, unless you can show that the race was so close that those two votes indeed made the difference.

Tangmo said:
Yet and despite this such milquetoast posters wave the hand to dismiss the data as "bias" which is obtuse indeed.

I've referenced your bias, not your data's. But nice strawman.

Tangmo said:
The wall of words that continues below the line in your post that says "bias bias bias"

Translation: You didn't even bother to read anything that you might be able to provide counters to it. Lazy evasion

Tangmo said:
reveals and exposes the deep dive independents have made since long ago into themselves and only, the same as Trump. The fact is that so called independents in the swing states put Trump over the top in 2016 to begin the day in and day out horrors of his madness in the WH -- and out of it in between residences -- and the fact is so called independents in the swing states put Trump over the top again in 2024 when the bargain was Trump could have his fascist state in return for lowering household expenses.

A lot of broad brushing here also. I am certainly not disputing that there were independents who voted Trump. You've just not supported that it was their vote that was the tipping point in those states.

maquiscat · May 23, 2025

NolanVoyd said:
Should I be able to vote for leadership of the Elks Lodge, or the Rotary Club if I'm not an Elk or a Rotarian?

Ironically, I made just that parallel later down in the thread. Or did I use Moose Lodge?

Tangmo · May 23, 2025

maquiscat said:
No they are not. What you need in order to support your claim is the numbers from the swing states themselves. The Wiki article does not have those state numbers. Simply showing any kind of shift in the swing votes isn't enough. If a state has 2 swing voters (again numbers for example's sake), and both voted Democrat in 20 and then both shifted to Trump in 24,, while that is indeed a 100% shift in the vote, it is not enough to change the result, unless you can show that the race was so close that those two votes indeed made the difference. I've referenced your bias, not your data's. But nice strawman. Translation: You didn't even bother to read anything that you might be able to provide counters to it. Lazy evasion. A lot of broad brushing here also. I am certainly not disputing that there were independents who voted Trump. You've just not supported that it was their vote that was the tipping point in those states.

Deny Deny Deny.

You are not going to accept anything I post about your precious and untouchable independent voters in the swing states who accepted fascism because it promised to decrease their household expenses.

No one and not only you is "disputing that there were independents who voted Trump." So you're not the only one not disputing it. This does not change your chronic denials against my true and accurate posts.

Your posts to me are flailing from the start....and nonstop. Without end. It reminds me of The Triumph of The Will.

markdc · May 24, 2025

maquiscat said:
So lately, I have been seeing ads for a group (or maybe groups? Didn't really pay attention to names) pushing for laws to allow people who are not registered with a political party to vote in that party's primary election. So I wanted to see what opinions were on the issue.

I find myself of two minds here. On the one hand I would love the ability to vote in any and all primaries to help pick the best candidates for each. As a party independent libertarian, I have liked or prefered candidates from all the parties. On the other hand, I fully recognize that the political parties are not part of the government system and as such are subject to the same freedoms and limits as other private organizations. In reality, neither the Republican nor the Democrat parties are required to have primary elections. Most of the third parties don't. While it is right and proper that a person not be prevented from voting in a primary due to race, age (save age of majority), sex, etc, I find that there is no compelling argument as to why someone who is not registered to the party should be allowed to participate in what is essentially a private affair. In fact, I would be willing to bet that if it became mandatory for primaries to allow all voters, not just party registered ones, to vote in the primaries, the GOP would simply not hold them. I hold the position that it would be blatantly unconstitutional to force them to use a primary for their candidate selection. Democrats would probably continue to hold them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they too just got rid of them.

So, let's hear what you all have to say. Should we allow anyone (assume properly registered to vote regardless of party affiliation) to vote in primaries? Why or why not? Should we mandate that the parties have primaries, and if it is mandated, does that change your answer as to whether anyone can vote in them? Why or why not on the first part and what makes the difference if you changed your answer on the second part?

I've got a better idea: Destroy the Duopoly before it destroys our country.

Mark

maquiscat · May 24, 2025

markdc said:
I've got a better idea: Destroy the Duopoly before it destroys our country.

Mark

While I agree with the sentiment, that is a red herring to the topic presented. The issue I raised remains whether we have two main parties in power, three main parties in power or more.

bomberfox · May 24, 2025

Mh i think this allows too much sabotaging which gives us more wackjob politicians.

Demon · May 24, 2025

As has been said by many, I am against letting people who aren't registered to a party vote in their primaries.

Allowing independents and third party members to vote in primaries.

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