'All-time high' in Baghdad violence

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1. The country we tried to forcibly democratize had no WMD.

2. Waiting it out is better than creating more terrorists than would have otherwise existed.

3. More terrorists is a bad thing regardless of whether you think it is or not, and the more terrorists, the less the chance that any Muslim Nation will successfully democratize.

4. Name one multiethnic nation, in the history of civilization, that was successfully forcibly democratized.

I know they had no WMD's, but they invaded their neighbors, killed millions in a war with Iran, and used WMD's on their own people. This is certainly enough for me, and 14 failed resolutions mean your way was just not working. Oil for food exposed the truth, we could not keep Saddam from them for long.

Waiting is what we have done through out history, and it has not worked, you either learn from your mistakes, or are doomed to repeat them. The last mistake cost us 400,000 lives, treasures, and put us on the brink of extinction, I don't want to make that mistake again.

More terrorists are what you get when people are free, just as they were in our own civil war, look at us today, do you think us better then, I know you have displayed that attitude recently, but I would like to hear you say it?

This fight has gone on for thousands of years, it's nothing new, Shiites hate Sunni's and vice versa, they need to decide if it's to be a one Iraq, or do they just kill each other, and let the Kurds have it? I say poke the wasp's nest with a stick, and let the idiots have at it, when the smoke clears, they will have learned the errors in their ways.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

absolutely.
they already existed. we just drew them out into the open.

So you know better than the US Intel Community?

Fascinating.
Have you written them to let them know the errors of their ways? It seems your duty as a citizen.

 

[ProudAmerican]

So you know better than the US Intel Community?

Fascinating.
Have you written them to let them know the errors of their ways? It seems your duty as a citizen.

its a gift really.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

its a gift really.

Well, bless your heart.
Would you like to buy a bridge?


Beliefs about politics and religion often have systematic bias, high certainty, and little informational basis. Irrationality is a good like any other; the lower the private cost, the more agents buy. For most political and religious beliefs, the private cost of irrationality is zero.

 

[bismitch]

Great points Moon. I would just like to add something. The occupation in Iraq is very similar to the Soviet Union's occupation of Afganistan. In both cases there is a very advanced force(from a secular nation) fighting an islamic insurgency. Both nations had similar amounts of troops and a similar goal of projecting their influence in the Middle East. Both occupations had to deal with terrorists that usually have funding from other nations(U.S. participated in this). In conclusion the outcomes(after the superpower leaves) will be very similar.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Great points Moon. I would just like to add something. The occupation in Iraq is very similar to the Soviet Union's occupation of Afganistan. In both cases there is a very advanced force(from a secular nation) fighting an islamic insurgency. Both nations had similar amounts of troops and a similar goal of projecting their influence in the Middle East. Both occupations had to deal with terrorists that usually have funding from other nations(U.S. participated in this). In conclusion the outcomes(after the superpower leaves) will be very similar.

You could add that in both instances there was an attempt to prosecute the war on the cheap. Also, the FSU was roundly criticized for trying to use too few troops.