Alex Ocasio Kortez (A OK) Gotta Love this Work of Art

[apdst]

If you want to embarrass an extreme conservative partisan just ask them to give a meaningful definition of capitalism, socialism, and communism. They'll never give you a definition because to understand these terms involves admitting that *gasp* Obama/Hillary is not a socialist or communist. Their entire worldview collapses if they understand a few basic definitions. So, how do they handle this? They actively block any understanding of these terms. It's laughable.

It's a pretty easy way to win a debate against a rabid conservative.

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In 1969, Hillary Rodham wrote a 92-page senior thesis for Wellesley College about community organizer Saul Alinsky entitled "There Is Only the Fight . . . : An Analysis of the Alinsky Model." The thesis is now available.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis

 

[jimbo]

Ironically, conservatives are in favor of big government on this issue and Cortez is the one fighting for small government :mrgreen:

So, the way I see it, conservatives are taking the more "communist" position here. Even though I detest the stupid application of the term.

Cortez is fighting for small government? You probably need to back that statement.

 

[Winston]

Cortez is fighting for small government? You probably need to back that statement.

ICE is the definition of big government.

 

[apdst]

Sure. But there are better and worse ways to do it. Just because you oppose one way doesn't mean you don't want secure borders.

When Cortez claims that stopping ilkegal immigration is violating human rights, then she's claiming that crossing the border of another country is a human right and that the borders should be opened.

 

[apdst]

ICE is the definition of big government.

ICE is the definition of national security.

 

[Winston]

ICE is the definition of national security.

Look, it's okay if you're for big government, just don't pretend not to be. We're not the ones for a massive federal bureaucracy with extraordinary powers here, you are.

 

[ataraxia]

When Cortez claims that stopping ilkegal immigration is violating human rights, then she's claiming that crossing the border of another country is a human right and that the borders should be opened.

Human rights means you bring people requesting asylum to court for a proper hearing. If they can't make their case, they get deported. Human rights is not separating little children from their parents and letting them die off to teach them a lesson. That's not stopping illegal immigration. That's just being a psychopath.

 

[ataraxia]

ICE is the definition of national security.

So was the Gestapo. That's why they were created.

 

[apdst]

Human rights means you bring people requesting asylum to court for a proper hearing. If they can't make their case, they get deported. Human rights is not separating little children from their parents and letting them die off to teach them a lesson. That's not stopping illegal immigration. That's just being a psychopath.

Asylum isn't a human right.

No one "let them die off to teach them a lesson". That's just ****ing stupid and demonstrates how weak Liberals's arguments really are.

 

[apdst]

Look, it's okay if you're for big government, just don't pretend not to be. We're not the ones for a massive federal bureaucracy with extraordinary powers here, you are.

It's ok if your responses are based on lies.

 

[apdst]

So was the Gestapo. That's why they were created.

Godwin noted.

 

[ataraxia]

Asylum isn't a human right.

It is- by the whole world. It's in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In fact, it was the US who spearheaded the document, and signed it back in 1948. The only countries who didn't sign it back then were the former Soviet bloc countries and Saudi Arabia. Now they have too.

So now it's become some alien communist document in the US itself? My how times change!

 

[ataraxia]

No one "let them die off to teach them a lesson".

You must have missed it: 2 young children have died so far.

 

[Winston]

It's ok if your responses are based on lies.

Nothing false about being for a giant federal bureaucracy with huge powers like you are.

 

[jimbo]

Meanwhile back to Cortez, it's not widely known, but the's also Jewish.

https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/ocasio-cortez-says-she-has-jewish-roots-during-hanukkah-celebration/

 

[apdst]

You must have missed it: 2 young children have died so far.

They were already sick when they were caught by the BP. The second one died because his fater refused to allow him to be treated.

Nice lie job, though.

 

[apdst]

It is- by the whole world. It's in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In fact, it was the US who spearheaded the document, and signed it back in 1948. The only countries who didn't sign it back then were the former Soviet bloc countries and Saudi Arabia. Now they have too.

So now it's become some alien communist document in the US itself? My how times change!

The law doesn't allow for asylum seekers to go country shopping. Per the law, they have to seek asylum in the nearest safe country.

They can only seek asylum from conflict zones, not poverty.

 

[jimbo]

ICE is the definition of big government.

That statement, of course, backs nothing. Even if it were true.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Communists? Do they support big or small government?

He will never answer this question. He doesn't know. It's comical.

It's like these people have to repress knowledge otherwise their fragile irrational worldview falls apart.

It's a simple question but he can't or won't answer. I've noticed it's the same with all of these hyper-conservatives.

 

[Winston]

That statement, of course, backs nothing. Even if it were true.

So, being for abolishing ICE is being for a smaller government. How is that untrue?

 

[Grokmaster]

Communists? Big government guys or small government guys?

Silliass nonsense. It is OBVIOUSLY the job of the Federal government to secure our borders.


It is NOT the job of government to tell us what we can eat, what we can say, to force us to allow others to force their lifestyles into our lives, to treat OUR MONEY like it's theirs, etc.

The Federal government has a FEW JOBS, that only it can do....

 

[Winston]

Silliass nonsense. It is OBVIOUSLY the job of the Federal government to secure our borders.


It is NOT the job of government to tell us what we can eat, what we can say, to force us to allow others to force their lifestyles into our lives, to treat OUR MONEY like it's theirs, etc.

The Federal government has a FEW JOBS, that only it can do....

That's all fine and dandy, just as long as you see that you're for a giant federal bureaucracy with large powers and we are not.

 

[Grokmaster]

That's all fine and dandy, just as long as you see that you're for a giant federal bureaucracy with large powers and we are not.

Is it Romper Room night , for the DP Left.


NATIONAL ISSUES, such as the borders and immigration, are the purview of the Federal government...or do you support ZERO Federal govt.?

The rest are the business of the STATES, or the People.


Try reading that Constitution thingy.


Or do you support the Confederate States of America?

 

[Winston]

Is it Romper Room night , for the DP Left.


NATIONAL ISSUES, such as the borders and immigration, are the purview of the Federal government...or do you support ZERO Federal govt.?

The rest are the business of the STATES, or the People.


Try reading that Constitution thingy.


Or do you support the Confederate States of America?

I'm for Federalism. You seem to think that some bureaucracies are Constitutional and others are not?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Is it Romper Room night , for the DP Left.


NATIONAL ISSUES, such as the borders and immigration, are the purview of the Federal government...or do you support ZERO Federal govt.?

The rest are the business of the STATES, or the People.


Try reading that Constitution thingy.


Or do you support the Confederate States of America?

Aren't health and education also national issues? How can a country have national security with unhealthy poorly educated troops?

Or why not let border states manage their own borders? Give them block grants.