The problem is that he appears to have given up that control to people who have bought into the new way of doing things in the NFL, which some of us find to be rather disgusting. Since giving up that control I have been much less impressed with The Danny, to be honest with you.
What do you mean the "new way of doing things in the NFL"?
We'll see. I think this season will be the real test. Wtih the roster the way it looks now, I don't see this Redskins team achieving even a handful of wins this season. It almost appears that they're already playing for the #1 pick in the 2012 draft and the preseason hasn't even started yet.
I disagree, the ONLY position that I could make that argument with is in QB. And to be frank, there's not a lot of options. The QB options in the draft were underwhelming on their own, let alone when you couple it with the lack of OTA's. The free agent QB's available, again, were underwhelming. The arguably most talented one is a mental headcase. After that you have guys who have plenty of tape on them that have floundered, such as Marc Bulger. You have some guys out there as trade bait, but after making the mistake of giving a 2nd and a 4th for McNabb could we have afforded a 1st and 3rd for Kolb or even a 3rd for Orton? I don't think so. Kolb I think its a bit overrated and definitely not worth a 1st and 3rd which would be the typical Redskin thing to do. Orton is at best a stop gap, and while better than Beck or Grossman I don't think he's the difference between 6 or less wins and a playoff birth.
So the option is go with what we have and see what we got while going younger all around and getting people experience in the system before a draft that has 3 QB's who are arguably better prospects than anyone in last years draft....or pick up a stop gap free agent in a shortened off season whose not likely to be much use in a fwe years simply to get 2 or 3 more wins.
Meanwhile we've potentially improved over last year at:
RB (Torian, Hightower, Helu > Portis, Torain, Williams)
WR (Moss, Armstrong, Gafney, Hankderson > Moss, Galloway, Roydell Williams, Anthony Armstrong)
OL (simply getting rid of Rabach, who looked more like a bull fighter out there last year, is an improvement. Chester > Artis Hicks at RG)
DL (Jenkins/Carriker, Coefield, Bown > Carriker, Kemuatu, Daniels)
LB (Kerrigan, Riley, Fletcher, Orakpo > Alexander, McIntosh [who was out of position], Fletcher, Orakpo)
Safety ( Landry / Atogwe > Landry / Moore)
The only positions we've not really made some kind of upgrade was TE, which was solid with Cooley and Davis, and Full Back. Along with CB, which we did get a LITTLE bit worse losing Stone Hands Rodgers who was a good cover at least and QB, which in all honesty is somewhat even with last year since we ended with Grossman).
So while yes, I've got little confidence in Beck, we've potentially improved ourselves in 6 of the 10 offensive/defensive groups and we've gone younger in all of them. I can't realy see that as somehow just throwing in the towel. I think we did throw in the towel specifically on a quarterback, but I think that's because it was the decision between a poor option now with poor options later, or a very poor option now with good options later. I think we made the right choice.
The problem is that Shanny didn't really WIN the AH battle; it's pretty much a draw.
Eh, I agree with the draw, not with the reasoning. I'd say draw because I think they both "won". Shanny sent \message about the changed culture and got SOMETHING for him rather than nothing. Hanyesworth got talked about, created some chaos, and managed to get out of here like he wanted just a year late. So a draw in that they both suceeded.
I don't think cutting him would've been a good thing. All that would've been doing is showing that if you don't like playing here you can be a diva and bitch and we'll just cave.
I'm not sure that a lot of long-time Redskins fans have another 3 seasons we're willing to wait.
I think those other long time fans are deluding themselves then. We've been waiting for almost 20 years, and over a decade since the last time we were the tops of our division. Another couple years isn't going to drive people away significantly. Especialy not when we're doing things the right way...drafting an OL guy high, passing on the flashy QB names that are overrated, going younger instead of over paying old guys, etc. And the ones that do jump off the bandwagon (assuming they really are "long time fans", which to me implies they WOULDN'T stop caring about the team just because of a few more bad years)...once those years pass and they start winning, they'll be right back.
This year marks two decades since the last time this team won a meaningful game (January of 1992).
Eh, what? Are you terming "meaningful game" being only superbowl victories?
The change in philosophy that this team has undergone in the last two seasons is not impressing some of us; myself especially. They don't have another 3 years to right the ship in my mind.
So wait, you didn't like the Vinny/Cerrato philosophy of "Win now, we're always a step away, just fill some gaps and we're a super bowl winner, its a one year fix"...but you don't like a rebuild philosophy which will take a few years because you don't want to wait a few years?
What the hell man, you make no sense. You can't have it both ways. You're right, we've not been consistantly good for almost 2 decades. You don't go from that to consistently good in a one or two year time span with stop gap moves. You just don't. The past DECADE shows that.
I definitely don't think Shannahan will get 3-4 losing seasons before being fired. That's not how Snyder does business.
I didn't say losing. He'll likely have another losing season this year. We'll get one of the three big name QB's coming out of the 2012 draft. I think we'll be in that 7-9 to 9-7 range the year after. Improvement, near/over .500, and a new QB will keep Shanny there imho. Two years from now I think we'll be a 9-11 win team and on the upswing for a number of years if things continue in the path they're going.
