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Albert Einstein on socialism



Mastercard works in all these states. It has the backing and will not fiunction without a very tightly enforced set of particular laws. One world government is here. This is what it looks like.

Meh. It's still very primitive and unenforceable. You can still have Julian Assange hiding out in South America, and we can't force his extradition if they don't want to give him to us. You still have the Russians running covert military operations in the Ukraine, and we can't have any formal investigation into it or getting them to stop. Iran can still fund terrorist activities, and our only recourse would be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator? If N. Korea wanted to violate its agreements and keep building more nukes, again our only recourse to be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator?
 
One of the greatest scientists, economists, and political historians ever, Albert Einstein, had the following to say about capitalism and socialism.

"This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future."

"Capitalism as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion."

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals."

So Einstein joins other socialist geniuses to propose bad policies that foolish government leaders have tried and failed dozens of times in atheist nations of the world to no benefit to the learning disabled.
 
So Einstein joins other socialist geniuses to propose bad policies that foolish government leaders have tried and failed dozens of times in atheist nations of the world to no benefit to the learning disabled.

There are no developed economies in the world today that do not have some socialist policies, including our own. Pure capitalism is like pure coffee bean grinds. No one wants to just eat the grinds raw. It's too strong even for those with the strongest stomachs.
 
Does W. Virginia have to be like California?

But what do you want to be like? Finland? Norway? Sweden? Denmark? The US economy has buried them in the ground, several miles deep. We have the best system in the world. That's why we're number one. They should be emulating us.
 
One of the greatest scientists, economists, and political historians ever, Albert Einstein, had the following to say about capitalism and socialism.

"This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future."

"Capitalism as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion."

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals."
Well, I'll give "one of the greatest scientists" but "economist" and "political historian"? I need a little more proof.
 
Good thing Einstein stuck to what he knew about rather than venturing into what he didn't.

You should follow your own advice and leave economics alone.


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But what do you want to be like? Finland? Norway? Sweden? Denmark? The US economy has buried them in the ground, several miles deep. We have the best system in the world. That's why we're number one. They should be emulating us.

Buried them in what ground? Is that an economic metric? Norway has a higher per capita GDP. These countries have lower poverty rates and higher literacy. They’re healthier and happier.

You sound like someone who has no idea what he’s talking about.


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[Knowing more history. Especially on socialism.]

So do we all. That does not make us more knowledgeable than Einstein in economics!

Multiply intelligence by knowledge (data). I have more data on socialism. He had very little.

Pure speculation on your part. He proved his huge brain worked in many things, suggesting that at the very least he had a very very good brain.

So? Does not make him God.

People are people and have always been. Throughout history all kinds of political concepts are risen and been tried. There is nothing new about the ones now.

New thing, compared to his time; Lots od data on how socialist societies have worked out.

On this I totally agree and that is why Trump is so dangerous and destructive to our nation. Socialism is not a dictatorship or anything like that, so it does not apply here.

USA has lots of checks. Trump will not be forever.
 
Meh. It's still very primitive and unenforceable. You can still have Julian Assange hiding out in South America, and we can't force his extradition if they don't want to give him to us. You still have the Russians running covert military operations in the Ukraine, and we can't have any formal investigation into it or getting them to stop. Iran can still fund terrorist activities, and our only recourse would be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator? If N. Korea wanted to violate its agreements and keep building more nukes, again our only recourse to be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator?

That is a matter of opinion.

Would you like it if the Prsident of the USA was arrested by this international over-governemt police body for destabilising the middle east today?
 
There are no developed economies in the world today that do not have some socialist policies, including our own. Pure capitalism is like pure coffee bean grinds. No one wants to just eat the grinds raw. It's too strong even for those with the strongest stomachs.

Socialists do like free stuff as advertised by commies like Balonie Sanders and Ospacio-Cortez.
 
But what do you want to be like? Finland? Norway? Sweden? Denmark? The US economy has buried them in the ground, several miles deep. We have the best system in the world. That's why we're number one. They should be emulating us.

Ummm...actually no. It turns out, are #19, right after the Czech Republic.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...lide-on-the-world-happiness-report-2017-03-20

In rankings of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, it turns out #1 was...Norway!:doh
 
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That is a matter of opinion.

Would you like it if the Prsident of the USA was arrested by this international over-governemt police body for destabilising the middle east today?

You know, I actually would. For long term peace and stability, there is nothing like real law, order, and justice.

You know what they say: no justice, no peace. Know justice, know peace.
 
You know, I actually would. For long term peace and stability, there is nothing like real law, order, and justice.

You know what they say: no justice, no peace. Know justice, know peace.


And who would you trust to have that power and how would they be controled?

In the EU we have a democratic deficite, one of the reasons we in the UK are leaving, which makes the beauracts more powerful that they should be. The reason for this is that the the differences between the various nations of the EU are greater than the collective political similararities. The result is that there can be no democratic over governance of the EU because if it was democratic it would have an intollerable amount of power as seen by many of the political elites in the various nations.

If the EU had the power to arrest corrupt politicians, with a version of what constitutes corruption taken for the British view point all Italian politicians would be in jail.
 
But what do you want to be like? Finland? Norway? Sweden? Denmark? The US economy has buried them in the ground, several miles deep. We have the best system in the world. That's why we're number one. They should be emulating us.

But no one has to emulate anyone. Just because you have an enforceable system of law and order regulating things like commerce, trade, extraditions, etc... between nations doesn’t mean you have to give up eating hamburgers and start on smorgasbords instead. You can still keep telling those who hit hard times they are immoral and leave them out on the street to die as much as you like.
 


And who would you trust to have that power and how would they be controled?

In the EU we have a democratic deficite, one of the reasons we in the UK are leaving, which makes the beauracts more powerful that they should be. The reason for this is that the the differences between the various nations of the EU are greater than the collective political similararities. The result is that there can be no democratic over governance of the EU because if it was democratic it would have an intollerable amount of power as seen by many of the political elites in the various nations.

If the EU had the power to arrest corrupt politicians, with a version of what constitutes corruption taken for the British view point all Italian politicians would be in jail.

Systems of law, order, and government have always been a very tricky subject for us humans, all through out our history, everywhere in the world. It’s always a careful and precarious juggling act between the equally legitimate ideals of individual liberty and freedom vs the need for social order, justice, and harmony. On one hand lies the freedom of anarchy, on the other the order of tyranny and ruthless oppression.

If we keep thinking those two extremes are our only two options, we will keep the pendulum swinging between two clearly unacceptable positions. The sweet spot seems to be somewhere in the middle of those extreme ideals. It may not be a perfect spot, as it may require some painful compromising between the ideals to make it happen. But hey, a lot of things in life are like that, like trying to decide how much time to spend with your family vs at work and career. There may not be perfect answers, but there are better and worse ones, smarter and dumber ones, depending on your circumstances and situation.

So the best “painful compromise” that we humans have come up with for this dilemma, after so many thousands of years of experimenting, is a system of representative democracy, with a string internal system of checks and balances, to regulate our affairs. Sure it’s not perfect. But it sure beats the alternatives of the two extremes, don’t you think?
 
Every size jurisdiction needs some decent system of government, law, and order to keep from turning into mayhem. Every family has a set of rules (even if unwritten). Every neighborhood condo association, or workplace, or school, swimming pool, and playground has a set of rules. Every city and county has a set of rules. Every state has a set of rules. Every nation has a set of rules.

Just because you have a set of rules for your workplace, does that mean your county should not have rules? Just because you have a set of rules for your county, does it mean we should no longer have a state or federal government?

International law is the same. There have to be some rules, and a formal system of law and order, and a means to enforce them, at the level of international interactions, to create a less chaotic and dysfunctional international arena. It will be good for business. War, or even the threat of it, is not good for capitalism. Contracts and treaties, without the means of enforcing them, is not good for capitalism. Enforceable international law will free up a lot of funds from being spent on national defense which could go to much better investment elsewhere.

Think about how much money would be freed up if all the nations of the Earth stopped spending so much of their GDP on their militaries, and instead used it for other things. Not only would we get rid of everything from cancer to Alzheimer's, we could be exploring the freaking Andromeda galaxy by now.

You discount human nature. Even the Federation on Star Trek had enemies and holdouts.
 
Meh. It's still very primitive and unenforceable. You can still have Julian Assange hiding out in South America, and we can't force his extradition if they don't want to give him to us. You still have the Russians running covert military operations in the Ukraine, and we can't have any formal investigation into it or getting them to stop. Iran can still fund terrorist activities, and our only recourse would be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator? If N. Korea wanted to violate its agreements and keep building more nukes, again our only recourse to be to bomb them and start a major war over there. Wouldn't it be better to just call for an investigation from an international police investigator?

Those organizations already exist and they are full of corruption and self-interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies#International
 
You discount human nature. Even the Federation on Star Trek had enemies and holdouts.

I wouldn't trust such a system with my life.
They usually end up mired in corruption and inevitably fall to some form of oppressive control over their population.

Venezuela is a complete model for such a warning.
 
You discount human nature. Even the Federation on Star Trek had enemies and holdouts.

Better ways of doing things cannot be discounted because they are not perfect.

Cars break down. Does that mean we should go back to riding our donkeys to work every morning?
 
I wouldn't trust such a system with my life.
They usually end up mired in corruption and inevitably fall to some form of oppressive control over their population.

Venezuela is a complete model for such a warning.

Why? Because they have a system of government?
 
I wouldn't trust such a system with my life.
They usually end up mired in corruption and inevitably fall to some form of oppressive control over their population.

Venezuela is a complete model for such a warning.

Why not Sweden?
 
Why? Because they have a system of government?

For such a socialist system, that itself could fuel the flame of a problem. But in general, I believe it's the human condition that creates the most of them. Though to be honest, the only places that socialism could possibly survive is in a vacuum in my opinion.

I would rather stick with capitalism given the choice.
 
One thing that needs to be explained is that Socialism is not the same as Communism. Socialism does work if done correctly. Finland, Sweden, and New Zealand are good examples of Socialist countries that are doing well and the people have high standards of life, both economically and emotionally, as well as high degree of happiness.

Finland, Sweden, and New Zealand, all have capitalist based economies and rely on global capitalism for their survival. There are no actual socialist economies in the world because they all failed.
 
Why not Sweden?

Sweden is a capitalist economy. People own the means of production, are allowed to pursue and accumulate capital, for the most part set prices according to market forces, and trade globally. Sweden has some of the richest people in the world. like Steven Pederson who is worth 25 billion. Sweden is 15th on the economic freedom scale for their strong property rights and business, trade, and financial freedom.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Sweden’s enviable living standards result from an economy that performs optimally because of regulatory efficiency and open-market policies that enhance flexibility, competitiveness, and large flows of trade and investment.
 
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