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Alaska Gov. Palin's Daughter, Fiance Break Up

I like Guinness and all...but I'd like to point out that there's other porters and stouts...I think sales for the entire non-Guiness world are slumped due to everyone's partiality to Guinness.




Sierra Nevada Porter on tap is divine.

Defiant Brewery here in Pearl River makes excellent stouts.

so does Lake Superior Brewing company as does the brew pub in the middle of Lake Placid...


guinness is my standby, but you show me a new stout or Porter from a microbrew and I am all over it.
 
Why is this news ?
It belongs in a trash tabloid such as Screw or National Inquirer.
Why can't people just mind their own business and leave others alone ?
 
I like Guinness and all...but I'd like to point out that there's other porters and stouts...I think sales for the entire non-Guiness world are slumped due to everyone's partiality to Guinness.

There are a couple of other stouts that I'm quite partial to like Murphy's Irish Stout and Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. I do like Guinness the most, though.
 

We do every day and sit down to the table and eat together every day.

, use every freaking conversation as a teaching moment,

We do so all the time.

deal with a vomiting kid,

Every parent deals with this.

a kid going through a terrible stage,

Every parent deals with this. Try adopting a child at the age of 4 that doesnt speak the same language you do.

a kid who is sick but the dr can't tell you what it is,

Every parent deals with this.

keep your house presentable,

Ours is.

involve the kids in cleaning to make sure they learn how to respect their surroundings,

Which we do.

keep the kids exercised,

We have our kids exercise every day. Our 8 year old can run a 5k.

socialized and academically engaged while you yourself keep throwing up because every few weeks your kids catch crap at school because their friends keep showing up sick cause no one's home to take care of them so they go to school sick.

Everyone deals with sick kids. Everyone gets sick 3 times as much one that have kids as they did before because of all the crap their kids bring home.

Do that 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, year after year with no real time off to go fishing quietly, eat lunch quietly, or even take a crap without someone interupting. Not work? Maybe that's because you were BABYSITTING and not PARENTING.

We live over 400 miles from the nearest grandparent or family member. We never get to go out by ourselves, we never get to drop the kids off with family while we go out and do something. Our kids have always gone with us when we went out to eat, ran errands, or done anything for that matter. If someone cannot eat in peace with their family or even go to the bathroom, then they have some issues with structure and discipline in their home.

If both parents work, its not as if they get out of parenting. They still have to do, or at least should do, everything that a stay at home parent would do, they just have to do it on top of a full time job.
 
It is a fact that if you get married young you have a lower chance of it working out.

I've isolated these components of your rant because they're the most fundamental elements of your "point." Unfortunately for you, both are inaccurate claims. As to this marriage claim, as I've mentioned here and elsewhere, Department of Health and Human Services data has previously indicated that males aged nineteen and under divorced at a rate of 32.8 per 1,000 married couples in the year 1990, whereas males aged twenty to twenty-four divorced at a higher rate of 50.2, indicating that youth doesn't necessarily serve as an accurate indicator of the capacity to maintain a stable relationship.

Moreover, as the divorce rate increased in this country, so did the average age of marriage. That certainly doesn't imply that there's a causative link between the two, but it does imply that no especially strong causative link exists between youth and higher divorce, or a decrease in divorces would have occurred as the average age of marriage rose if there was.



The empiricist would thus be inclined to be skeptical of your claims about youth marriage.

It is a FACT that if you have children when you're young you'll have a dramatically higher chance of being in poverty.

A similarly dubious assertion, I'm afraid. Whilst examining U.S. data, one is led to dispute the claim that significant problems exist to a very great extent for teenage parents in the first place, and have more to do with socioeconomic status than with age. My point was that early childbearing could result in increased security in the labor market later on in life for poor mothers, so that they wouldn't need to interrupt any work phase.

I'm quite aware that there are numerous "studies" that indicate that teenage childbearing impose deleterious economic consequences on teenage parents and their children. The problem is that many studies on teenage pregnancy and childbearing commit several critical methodological errors in that they fail to measure external environmental factors of different women who gave birth in their teenage years, one of the most critical of these being their family background. Researchers Geronimus and Korenman have conducted an analysis of the available data without committing this critical error, and thus find that the the "costs" of teenage childbearing are drastically overstated in The Socioeconomic Costs of Teen Childbearing Reconsidered.


To underscore this point even further, I would also point to an interesting study conducted for the federal white paper, Kids Having Kids, that did not fall into the trap of committing several methodological errors of the nature that other studies on teenage pregnancy do.


Moreover, while reviewing Hotz et al., it is curious to note that their study goes even further than that of Geronimus and Korenman in rebutting the claims that teenage pregnancy is a cause of numerous socioeconomic problems. In fact, Hotz et al. found the precise opposite to be true.


This point is emphasized and re-emphasized repeatedly, highlighting just how great a contradiction of the "usual wisdom" it is, and how woefully inadequate that "usual wisdom" becomes when methodological errors used to find it are uncovered.


They determine that teenage childbearing can be a viable economic strategy for many.


It is also critical to note that because of the innovative research method that it uses, Hotz et al. does not fall prey to the numerous methodological issues mentioned by Geronimus and Korenman.


Hence, I would question the veracity of the "studies" typically released in regards to the "effects" of teenage pregnancy.
 
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