Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

Might as well outlaw interracial marriage and homosexuality while we're going backwards.

SmartCat said:

Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

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Uncivilized barbarians, the Republican strategy seems to point towards secession. People won't put up with these backwards laws in the 21st Century.

I believe abortion yes/no should be up to each individual state. Some states allow executions, others don't.

Verax said:

Might as well outlaw interracial marriage and homosexuality while we're going backwards.

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Yeah it's weird when people are going back to the dark ages. Burning witches next?

SmartCat said:

Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

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DOA at the SC. Just more grandstanding for the sheeple.

TrueScotsman said:

Uncivilized barbarians, the Republican strategy seems to point towards secession. People won't put up with these backwards laws in the 21st Century.

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Although I vote Democrat and despise President Trump I have always viewed the religious right with interest and a degree of sympathy. I was a card carrying member of both the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition. I also contributed money to the Coral Ridge Hour.

Casper said:

DOA at the SC. Just more grandstanding for the sheeple.

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I hope the Republican Party does not get away with it this time.

SmartCat said:

Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

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Overturning Roe v Wade has always been the goal.



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SmartCat said:

Although I vote Democrat and despise President Trump I have always viewed the religious right with interest and a degree of sympathy. I was a card carrying member of both the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition. I also contributed money to the Coral Ridge Hour.

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I used to be an Evangelical Christian, but who cares. **** these people, no sympathy. I reserve sympathy for the women who had their human rights rescinded by these theocrats.

More Talibornagain nonsense.

They’ll never stop.

Theocratic authoritarianism is alive and well in America.

FinnFox said:

Yeah it's weird when people are going back to the dark ages. Burning witches next?

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while I support most legal abortions, one can honestly argue that as medical science advances, the date of viability appears sooner and thus progress would be decreasing the time for abortion to be legal in terms of fetal development.

Verax said:

Might as well outlaw interracial marriage and homosexuality while we're going backwards.

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Talibornagain theocratic nuts.

TrueScotsman said:

I used to be an Evangelical Christian, but who cares. **** these people, no sympathy. I reserve sympathy for the women who had their human rights rescinded by these theocrats.

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I am an Episcopalian. Episcopalians are reasonably forgiving of victimless sins. Nevertheless, a pedophile Episcopal priest will be quickly defrocked and reported to the police.

Verax said:

Might as well outlaw interracial marriage and homosexuality while we're going backwards.

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Those are the next items on the Federalist's and Freedom Caucus' agenda. They want to take care of Roe v. Wade first, just get that out of the way, then they're going to move on to those other things that offend their brand of Christianity.

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I am an Episcopalian. Episcopalians are reasonably forgiving of victimless sins. Nevertheless, a pedophile Episcopal priest will be quickly defrocked and reported to the police.

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That was the tradition I was raised in-Dad was garden variety-Mom was once HC Anglican. But yeah, the few cases of child molesting Episcopal priests were not covered up

HumblePi said:

Those are the next items on the Federalist's and Freedom Caucus' agenda. They want to take care of Roe v. Wade first, just get that out of the way, then they're going to move on to those other things that offend their brand of Christianity.

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If you mean the Federalist Society-you are completely wrong. I know the founders of that society extremely well-and Christian extremism had no role given Calabresi, Keisler and Liberman were all from Jewish or (Calabresi) partially Jewish families. McIntosh was Presbyterian IIRC and Spencer Abraham I believe is Eastern Orthodox though he may be a Maronite

People from Alabama will start traveling to New York to get abortions, and people from New York will start traveling to Alabama to buy an assault weapon.

Media_Truth said:

People from Alabama will start traveling to New York to get abortions, and people from New York will start traveling to Alabama to buy an assault weapon.

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the first action is legal, the second is banned by federal law

HumblePi said:

Those are the next items on the Federalist's and Freedom Caucus' agenda. They want to take care of Roe v. Wade first, just get that out of the way, then they're going to move on to those other things that offend their brand of Christianity.

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Are you seriously telling me that there are people who want to repeal loving v. Virginia ?

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Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.

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Superb analysis.

Casper said:

DOA at the SC. Just more grandstanding for the sheeple.

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Concur.

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People from Alabama will start traveling to New York to get abortions, and people from New York will start traveling to Alabama to buy an assault weapon.

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Well depends if the law prevents that. I believe the similar law in Georgia does that.

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Couldn't be happier. I think very soon more of these kind of bills, like Alabama's and Ohio's, will be signed, and there will be a major showdown of Roe v. Wade. The Left has already proven they have no problem with killing babies. The New York Congress and it's governor, Andrew Cuomo, passed and signed a bill which allows the death of a child right before they're born. Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia and his allies had a bill (which had failed to pass in their state Congress) that would allow the death of a child both right before or after they're born. Recently, John Rogers, state representative of Alabama, said (in his own words) "Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now, or you kill them later." Funny coming from a man who happens to be black because the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, wanted to make black people extinct through abortion. Then you have the freaks who say to "shout your abortion" as if it's something to be proud of. This whole thing over abortion, though, brings up a more important issue, and John Rogers, in his statement, may have accidentally let it slip a little bit.

The issue: who gets to live and who dies, and who gets to decide that? We're not just talking babies, but ANYONE who is "unwanted" or "unloved." I have held the belief that babies were the easiest to go after because they are the weakest, but it goes further than that. The whole thing with Obamacare, and what Obama said when he was running for president, the plan was to decide if someone was worth saving because of an illness, especially when it came to the elderly. So you could call that an abortion of elderly people. When they talk about special needs people, those with conditions like downs syndrome and autism (which my youngest brother has), the Left talks about how they were mistakes and must be taken care of (exterminated) immediately because, according to them, they don't benefit society and they won't live good lives, which is total bull$h!t.Speaking of people who have illnesses and conditions, who are not elderly, babies, nor special needs, how about people with physical handicaps? People in wheelchairs, Lou Gehrig's disease, missing limbs, and other conditions of the same sort, no doubt the Left would throw them in their too, even though they have a will to live and work. Eventually, it would come down to people who the Left simply doesn't like and wants nothing to do with. Mainly, that's people that are on the Right of them, both Right wingers AND moderates.

So to answer that big question at the end, who gets to decide who lives and dies, the Left wants to do that and they want to do it through government. Many of them do not value the life of others. Those same people have been brainwashed into believing that it's okay to kill "undesirables." That kind of language has been used before, and not just from John Rogers. Hillary Clinton used the word "deplorables" when describing people who supported Trump. It's an arrogant and snobby attitude towards other they don't like nor wish for them to live. Bill Nye wants people thrown in prison for denying man-made climate change and states like California, which is ran by Leftists, criminalize people who use paper straws. Pretty soon, there will be Leftists posing as lawmakers making laws that may order executions of people that dare violate laws that are immoral and unconstitutional. I know it sounds a little outlandish, but the fact the Left is okay with executing babies right before and after they're born, it shouldn't be. That's why these anti-abortion bills are important because abortion opens a floodgate to the bigger picture. Thank God for Alabama and my home state of Ohio for taking a stand on this issue, and not giving in to the selfish desires of mothers who care only for themselves and the Left's blood lust for those they deem "unwanted" and "deplorable." Hopefully, other states will follow suit and get abortion outlawed nationwide.