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Al-Qaida-inspired cell revealed in Israel

The group underwent a process of radicalization, using material found on the Internet




Considering all the hate sites you have promoted since you've been here, I would agree that this process of radicalization via the internet is an ongoing problem.
 
And this group of people are inspired by Al Qaida.

I appreciated that they were inspired from reading Al Qaida bumf on the net. However there is a reason for everything that happens. In this instance Al Qaida made them feel they could become terrorists. However their attempts to become such were of no avail so they took to being simply murderers. They got no financing from anyone and it would appear no advice. They just appear a gang of murders who believe that to say Bin Laden, makes them look big.

Al Qaeda appeals to people who believe that Muslims are being treated badly but in reality the killing of a taxi driver is nothing other than a killing.
 
This has nothing to do with those al-Qaeda inspired terrorist folk, and if you're trying to justify their actions based on the denial of entry to 4 other terrorists from the Hamas organization, then I simply find it sickening.

Those Al Qaeda terrorist folk have nothing to do with AL Qaeda. Like it or not people only get 'inspired' by such like when their perceived situation is unfair. To expect people who are occupied to have loyalty to the occupiers is expecting a bit much. To deport people from their own country is not something I could ever support.
 
Those Al Qaeda terrorist folk have nothing to do with AL Qaeda.
Read my post again, I've stated "This has nothing to do with those al-Qaeda inspired terrorist folk".
Like it or not people only get 'inspired' by such like when their perceived situation is unfair.
Like it or not, justifying terrorism would throw you over the high-moral grounds and onto the depths of the abyss.
To expect people who are occupied to have loyalty to the occupiers is expecting a bit much.
We're speaking about Israeli Arabs here, you're manipulating the facts and it's disgusting and showing. Israeli Arabs are not occupied, and the land they live on is not "occupied", they are citizens of Israel who enjoy the same rights as any other citizen.
To deport people from their own country is not something I could ever support.
Terrorism on the other hand.
 
Are you suggesting they aren't?
Their lawyers said the same, but then they came into court and cried praises of Osama Bin Laden.

I am suggesting that maybe they're just a bunch of punks who talk a big game and want to impress people.
 
I am suggesting that maybe they're just a bunch of punks who talk a big game and want to impress people.

Yes, they want to impress people - the wrong people.
 
Like it or not, justifying terrorism would throw you over the high-moral grounds and onto the depths of the abyss.
Like it or not that was not what I was doing as I said it was plain murders not terrorism. However it having been blown up into terrorism, begs the question what would be the reason for that terrorism. If you truly believe that there is no reason for terrorism, then you live in cloud cookoo land. When the IRA began for instance, most Catholics did not have the vote and years of peaceful civil rights attempts had had no effect. If you want to understand terrorism, look at the foundations. If you believe that terrorism comes from nothing, then you are believing that a particular section of society are psychopaths. Even if that were true you would then need to look at why a particular section of society has become psychopaths.

You like things in black and white because it avoids looking at Israel's part in it. You wrongly believe Israel has the moral high ground at all times and have recently taken to abusing anyone who questions anything Israel does as having some moral failure.

We're speaking about Israeli Arabs here, you're manipulating the facts and it's disgusting and showing. Israeli Arabs are not occupied, and the land they live on is not "occupied", they are citizens of Israel who enjoy the same rights as any other citizen.

The quote was from Haaratz. People are being not allowed to return to their homes where they have lived from birth and now are being thrown out of their homes by Israel for political reasons. There is no manipulation in the reality that Israel is depriving people born in East Jerusalem the right to live there. Again you try to get on a moral high horse rather than answering what was put in the article. Whether these people are Palestine or Israeli Arabs, they are wrongfully according to civilised law being refused the right to live in the place of their birth or to return their after leaving for instance for a job.
 
Like it or not that was not what I was doing as I said it was plain murders not terrorism.
The refusal to label the act of terrorism as terrorism is a form of support for terrorism. The act of murdering a person (the cab driver) from politically motivated reasons is an act of terrorism, there is no question about it really, but when someone refuses to recognize such clear and obvious act of terrorism as terrorism, he obviously has his own political motivations for the refusal.
However it having been blown up into terrorism, begs the question what would be the reason for that terrorism.
The reason is already there in the article, those guys are inspired by al-Qaeda, I see no way of dodging around it.
You like things in black and white because it avoids looking at Israel's part in it.
The only thing you're interested in is this alleged "Israeli part" in it, and it has always been so. You'd like to avoid the actual deed on every front and at every chance. You don't care about the actual atrocity that is the murder of an innocent person, you don't care that his family won't see him anymore because of a bunch of al-Qaeda inspired barbarians, and instead you choose to sympathize with the people who've murdered him, trying to seek out how the Israeli state has "damaged them so badly" that they'd go out and murder someone instead of just realizing that they're a group of radical people with radical opinions that has decided to murder an innocent person to satisfy their beliefs.

Yesterday in Norway a group of al-Qaeda inspired folks, just like those barbarians, were arrested on grounds of planning a terrorist attack. Why don't you say something about how Norway has oppressed its citizens so much that they'd go and try to attack innocents? Oh right, you won't, because Norway is not the Jewish state, and hence there is no reason to seek it out and try to blame it over anything possible. In fact, unlike with this group of terrorists, I think you'd even show your anger towards the group of Norwegians al-Qaedas inspired folks, because they've tried to attack Norwegians, and not Israeli Jews and Israeli Christians like this group.
You wrongly believe Israel has the moral high ground at all times and have recently taken to abusing anyone who questions anything Israel does as having some moral failure.
I don't believe it, I know so, and you're only backing my opinion when you who's representing the anti-Israeli camp are showing signs of terrorist supporting. The fact that Israel holds the moral higher ground is forced onto me by the people who oppose it and show signs of inhumanity, evil and values that go strictly against the values of freedom, liberty and equality, against the values of the free world and against the values of democracy.
The quote was from Haaratz. People are being not allowed to return to their homes where they have lived from birth and now are being thrown out of their homes by Israel for political reasons.
The four Hamas terrorists that you grieve their expulsion here have nothing to do with the OP or this case of Israeli Arabs. If you wish to debate about the awful violation of the rights of those 4 terrorist scums, then open your own thread.
There is no manipulation in the reality that Israel is depriving people born in East Jerusalem the right to live there.
Ah, yes, 4 terrorists now become "people".
Again you try to get on a moral high horse rather than answering what was put in the article.
I did answer the article, the article about the OP, the article speaking about a bunch of Israeli Arabs enjoying Israeli rights waking up one day and deciding to murder an innocent person.
That's the article of this thread, not the article you're referring to about the poor four Hamas terrorists being denied entry to Jerusalem.
 
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The only thing you're interested in is this alleged "Israeli part" in it, and it has always been so. You'd like to avoid the actual deed on every front and at every chance. You don't care about the actual atrocity that is the murder of an innocent person, you don't care that his family won't see him anymore because of a bunch of al-Qaeda inspired barbarians, and instead you choose to sympathize with the people who've murdered him, trying to seek out how the Israeli state has "damaged them so badly" that they'd go out and murder someone instead of just realizing that they're a group of radical people with radical opinions that has decided to murder an innocent person to satisfy their beliefs.


But justifying terrorism of those pesky Joos is a PROGRESSIVE attitude, Apoc. That makes it all A o.k., especially because you folks are causing all the terrorism because of all that Joo stuff you do. I mean, can't you understand that it is your being Jewish that is the cause of this whole terrorism business, and so in order to be progressive it is vitally important to justify your murder in any way possible because quite obviously, if you weren't running around being Jewish, the middle east would be one, big happy place filled with love and flowers and unicorns and cuddly things.


Get with he program here. Progressives HAVE to justify the terrorism against you by the turnspeak they indulge in through accusing you of causing it. Otherwise, they couldn't be right, proper progressives! Hopefully, one day, they can help bring the world to a point where there are not only no Joos, but where the entire world has progressed to the point they embrace the values of a seventh century archly patriarchal society that denies basic human rights as a function of its manifest superiority.

Now, THAT'S progress!
 
But justifying terrorism of those pesky Joos is a PROGRESSIVE attitude, Apoc. That makes it all A o.k., especially because you folks are causing all the terrorism because of all that Joo stuff you do. I mean, can't you understand that it is your being Jewish that is the cause of this whole terrorism business, and so in order to be progressive it is vitally important to justify your murder in any way possible because quite obviously, if you weren't running around being Jewish, the middle east would be one, big happy place filled with love and flowers and unicorns and cuddly things.


Get with he program here. Progressives HAVE to justify the terrorism against you by the turnspeak they indulge in through accusing you of causing it. Otherwise, they couldn't be right, proper progressives! Hopefully, one day, they can help bring the world to a point where there are not only no Joos, but where the entire world has progressed to the point they embrace the values of a seventh century archly patriarchal society that denies basic human rights as a function of its manifest superiority.

Now, THAT'S progress!

why can't the unicorns be cuddly?
 
why can't the unicorns be cuddly?

The unicorns are extra cuddly.

THat turgid appendage on the tip of their nose says "embrace me" in no uncertain terms.
 
damn Gardener, you're predictable.

There, fixed it for you. Gardener likes to get in early, dragging the debate to the extremities often adding many doses of 'them joos' along the way...

Paul
 
There, fixed it for you. Gardener likes to get in early, dragging the debate to the extremities often adding many doses of 'them joos' along the way...

Paul

You misspelled "delectable"


But I forgive you. .
 
The refusal to label the act of terrorism as terrorism is a form of support for terrorism.

You are being extremist. These people were inspired by terrorism. However when they tried to be accepted by supposed terrorist organisation, they were refused training and advice. It is correct to say they were' inspired' by Al Qaeda but to actually say they were working in cahoots with the group is not so. We chose to call murderers, murderers in this country. If Israel's wish is to have everyone who murders and gets some inspiration from Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda terrorists it is misinforming. Doubtless it has it's reasons but misinforming is what it is doing.

The act of murdering a person (the cab driver) from politically motivated reasons is an act of terrorism, there is no question about it really, but when someone refuses to recognize such clear and obvious act of terrorism as terrorism, he obviously has his own political motivations for the refusal.

Maybe, maybe not. Again we would consider people who were terrorist to belong to some organisation that was terrorist. To attack a single taxi driver when one is not a member of any said organisation comes over as a murder of hate to me. I have read of plenty of same murders of hate against the Palestinian population, are you now going to call them all terrorism?


The reason is already there in the article, those guys are inspired by al-Qaeda, I see no way of dodging around it.
Inspired is not the same as belonging to. We have had people commiting murders because they were inspireed by films or by video games, are you now going to say the films and the video games are the murderers?

The only thing you're interested in is this alleged "Israeli part" in it, and it has always been so. You'd like to avoid the actual deed on every front and at every chance. You don't care about the actual atrocity that is the murder of an innocent person, you don't care that his family won't see him anymore because of a bunch of al-Qaeda inspired barbarians, and instead you choose to sympathize with the people who've murdered him, trying to seek out how the Israeli state has "damaged them so badly" that they'd go out and murder someone instead of just realizing that they're a group of radical people with radical opinions that has decided to murder an innocent person to satisfy their beliefs.

You are exaggerating a sordid murder. You are upping it to terrorism. Why? Possibly to bring some fear to the general population and some reprisals to the Arab population of Israel. Because you choose to exaggerate the killing, I chose to point out that if you believe the person was motivated by terrorism then you must look at why the person or people would be feeling so disaffected to want to engage in terrorism.

Do you believe all is fine and dandy in Israel? Do you believe people are not being mistreated. Do you even believe your right wing stance is the view of all Israeli's never mind all Jews?

Of course it is not. Going back to the removal of people from their homes in East Jerusalem, you will see that some Israeli's are just as disgusted at this as myself.

Nocturnal Terror in Silwan / Daniel

Another night sets in on Silwan. Just two days ago, hundreds of Israeli and Palestinian demonstrators marched together along the narrow streets of the neighborhood, to support the local residents, facing the municipality's plan to demolish 22 houses.

SNIP-

But here, as anywhere in east Jerusalem, happenings do not cease for a moment.
And now we are here, climbing up the narrow alleys, together with the locals. Just one hour ago, tens of private security guards, escorted by border policemen, entered Palestinian homes around "Beit Hadvash" (house of honey in Hebrew...) and "Beit Yehonatan". The settlers have only managed to seize two houses in this area, but this is enough to bring the place to the brink of eruption. Nightly border police patrols, private security personnel, armed with guns, undercover policemen and “Mistaarvim” (Israeli soldiers disguised as Arabs) have turned the place into a war zone.

Nocturnal Terror in Silwan / Daniel – Sheikh Jarrah: a just struggle for a just Jerusalem

This is the sort of thing which is going on in East Jerusalem right now.

The four Hamas terrorists that you grieve their expulsion here have nothing to do with the OP or this case of Israeli Arabs. If you wish to debate about the awful violation of the rights of those 4 terrorist scums, then open your own thread.

The reality is they were Parliamentarians, not terrorists.


Ah, yes, 4 terrorists now become "people".

Terrorists always are people. Dehumanising people is at least as bad a crime as terrorism. The fact that these people were not terrorists but rather Politicians just makes that worse.


I did answer the article, the article about the OP, the article speaking about a bunch of Israeli Arabs enjoying Israeli rights waking up one day and deciding to murder an innocent person.

Israel Arabs do not enjoy the same rights as Israeli Jews.


That's the article of this thread, not the article you're referring to about the poor four Hamas terrorists being denied entry to Jerusalem.

and my point was that if you want to call people terrorists, then you need to see what is making them so discontent they would feel that way, and yes, my feeling when we had terrorists in this country was exactly the same.
 
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You are being extremist. These people were inspired by terrorism. However when they tried to be accepted by supposed terrorist organisation, they were refused training and advice. It is correct to say they were' inspired' by Al Qaeda but to actually say they were working in cahoots with the group is not so. We chose to call murderers, murderers in this country. If Israel's wish is to have everyone who murders and gets some inspiration from Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda terrorists it is misinforming. Doubtless it has it's reasons but misinforming is what it is doing.

Maybe, maybe not. Again we would consider people who were terrorist to belong to some organisation that was terrorist. To attack a single taxi driver when one is not a member of any said organisation comes over as a murder of hate to me.
Alexa, you seem to have taken to the ridiculous and unexplained belief that only a person who belongs to a terrorist organization can be named a terrorist.
That is absolutely wrong and has no connection with reality, the murder of that cab driver was an act of terrroism, and even your own nation doesn't follow that insanely bizarre definition you've set for terrorism, that an act can be labeled terrorism "if and only if it was committed by a member of a terrorist organization". What a joke.
I have read of plenty of same murders of hate against the Palestinian population, are you now going to call them all terrorism?
Who said that I do not?
Inspired is not the same as belonging to.
No, but you've asked for a reasoning and the reasoning is given in the article, that group of barbarians was inspired by al-Qaeda and that's why they've committed an act of terrorism and have murdered an innocent man.
You are exaggerating a sordid murder. You are upping it to terrorism. Why? Possibly to bring some fear to the general population and some reprisals to the Arab population of Israel.
The reason why I'm "upping it to terrorism" is because it is terrorism.
Now the reason why you're "downing it to murder" is quite known to me as well, and to you too I believe.
Because you choose to exaggerate the killing
The opposite is true, you seek to pretty it up, you do not like the fact that those people are labeled as terrorists.
I chose to point out that if you believe the person was motivated by terrorism then you must look at why the person or people would be feeling so disaffected to want to engage in terrorism.

Do you believe all is fine and dandy in Israel? Do you believe people are not being mistreated. Do you even believe your right wing stance is the view of all Israeli's never mind all Jews?

Of course it is not. Going back to the removal of people from their homes in East Jerusalem, you will see that some Israeli's are just as disgusted at this as myself.



Nocturnal Terror in Silwan / Daniel – Sheikh Jarrah: a just struggle for a just Jerusalem

You once more are referring to an agenda-motivated website, and besides that as I've stated before this is off-topic and if you wish to debate it then open your own thread.
The reality is they were Parliamentarians, not terrorists.
Just a moment ago you've stated that only someone who belongs to a terrorist organization can be labeled a terrorist.
Those folks belong to the terrorist organization of Hamas, so how come now you deny their terrorism as well?
I think you need to work on an ultimate definition to terrorism, one that would allow you to deny anyone who murders an innocent Jewish civilian to be a terrorist.
That way you could promote the murder of Israeli civilians while sticking to one definition without making up new ones every second.
Terrorists always are people. Dehumanising people is at least as bad a crime as terrorism.
Oh look, someone got sensitive because terrorists were being insulted.
Israel Arabs do not enjoy the same rights as Israeli Jews.
And that is just as true as "African British do not enjoy the same rights as English British".
This is just another example for the agenda behind your words, when you seek to deny the fact that Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews enjoy the same rights you seek to demonize the Israeli Jews.
and my point was that if you want to call people terrorists, then you need to see what is making them so discontent they would feel that way, and yes, my feeling when we had terrorists in this country was exactly the same.
And from some reason you've completely ignored this passage I've written:

Yesterday in Norway a group of al-Qaeda inspired folks, just like those barbarians, were arrested on grounds of planning a terrorist attack. Why don't you say something about how Norway has oppressed its citizens so much that they'd go and try to attack innocents? Oh right, you won't, because Norway is not the Jewish state, and hence there is no reason to seek it out and try to blame it over anything possible. In fact, unlike with this group of terrorists, I think you'd even show your anger towards the group of Norwegians al-Qaedas inspired folks, because they've tried to attack Norwegians, and not Israeli Jews and Israeli Christians like this group.

I think I know why you've ignored it.
 
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You are being extremist. These people were inspired by terrorism. However when they tried to be accepted by supposed terrorist organisation, they were refused training and advice. It is correct to say they were' inspired' by Al Qaeda but to actually say they were working in cahoots with the group is not so. We chose to call murderers, murderers in this country. If Israel's wish is to have everyone who murders and gets some inspiration from Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda terrorists it is misinforming. Doubtless it has it's reasons but misinforming is what it is doing.

One doesn't have to be a part of a terrorist organization inorder to engage in terrorisem. Ami Poper, Baruch Goldstein and Eden Natan-Zada weren't a part of any terrorist organization yet they are all terrorists.
The motive of this murder was to terrorize civilians this makes those murderers terrorists.
 
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