Al Qaeda Claims to Have 12,000 Fighters in Iraq (1 Viewer)

[ProudAmerican]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html

CAIRO, Egypt — Al Qaeda in Iraq's purported leader vowed on Friday that his fighters would never rest until they have reached Jerusalem and destroy the White House.

If you dont think Iraq is a key front in the war on terror then you are so blind there is absolutely no help for you.

If you dont think these terrorists see how important Iraq is then you are beyond help.

If you dont think these bastards had a vested intrest in Iraq before we ever showed up, you are clueless.

 

[Hatuey]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html



If you dont think Iraq is a key front in the war on terror then you are so blind there is absolutely no help for you.

If you dont think these terrorists see how important Iraq is then you are beyond help.

If you dont think these bastards had a vested intrest in Iraq before we ever showed up, you are clueless.

Trust Fox News to provide accurate information found on "a cassette".

Though the voice on the tape identified itself as al-masri, there were no means to independently verify this.

Oh ok. Let's just litsen to the ramblings of an unidentifiable voice on an audio tape and pass off anything it says as fact.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Trust Fox News to provide accurate information found on "a cassette".



Oh ok. Let's just litsen to the ramblings of an unidentifiable voice on an audio tape and pass off anything it says as fact.

You can dispute "who" said it all day long if you want. It was still said. Unless you have evidence showing Fox made this story up? I'll wait for your data.

 

[Iriemon]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html

If you dont think Iraq is a key front in the war on terror then you are so blind there is absolutely no help for you.

If you dont think these terrorists see how important Iraq is then you are beyond help.

If you dont think these bastards had a vested intrest in Iraq before we ever showed up, you are clueless.

What is the surprise? I'm surprised they don't have 50,000 fighters in Iraq by now.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Trust Fox News to provide accurate information found on "a cassette".



Oh ok. Let's just litsen to the ramblings of an unidentifiable voice on an audio tape and pass off anything it says as fact.

lets assume its real.

then what?

 

[Hatuey]

You can dispute "who" said it all day long if you want. It was still said. Unless you have evidence showing Fox made this story up? I'll wait for your data.

Let's play by your logic shall we.

Bin Laden is in Detroit right now. There it was said. Unless you have evidence of the contrary. Shut up.

Faux. No idea about wether or not it's real. No idea about who is speaking on the tape and they fail to even provide a proper source "a militant website" doesnt count.

lets assume its real.

then what?

In this world son, you dont assume. You either have proof(from a reliable source) or you dont. Otherwise you get us stuck in Iraq.

The saddest part is ProudAmerican is trying to pass it off as fact when Faux itself states "Al-Qaeda Claims". You can claim something all you want. It doesnt make it true.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Hatuey,

are you contending that we are not fighting Al Queda in Iraq?

you have done your very best to avoid that fact by trying to claim this tape isnt real.

and stop with the faux news bit.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/10/iraq.main/

Im fine though. I will wait a few days, find a report that the tape has been authenticated, and then we can have the discussion again.

and you will have to find a new reason to avoid the topic and dance around it.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Let's play by your logic shall we.

Bin Laden is in Detroit right now. There it was said. Unless you have evidence of the contrary. Shut up.

If you say OBL is in Detroit, I'll consider the source. If al-Queda issues a tape to the American media saying OBL is in Detroit, I'm going to pay attention.

And to play by your rules: Do you have 'evidence to the contrary" on what Fox is reporting?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The Democratic win has done exactly what I knew it would do IE it has emboldened the enemy, Democrats are weak on defense, they will cut and run not only from Iraq but on the overall war on terror as well inspiring the enemy to once again attack us on our shores which under the Democrats will become extremely vulnerable due to the Dems suicidal stance on National Security. Anyone who voted for the Democrats can feel proud today knowing that the ballot they cast was for an Al-Qaeda victory and a U.S. defeat. Congragulations the only real winners here are Al-Qaeda.

 

[Gibberish]

If you dont think these terrorists see how important Iraq is then you are beyond help.

If you dont think these bastards had a vested intrest in Iraq before we ever showed up, you are clueless.

The problem with these two statements is that you give the impression Iraq was always important to Al-Q. It did not become important to Al-Q until we toppled the government and we were unable to oversee the development of a new secure one.

Terrorist bombings and killings were not a problem in Iraq until after the fall of Baghdad to US forces.

Now Iraq has the ability to be run by whomever has the most fire power so Al-Q is racing to fight the US as much as possible in Iraq so that they can possibly put an ally in control of it. The last thing they can let happen is to have a US ally running Iraq, so they will continue to fight and not let that happen.

 

[SixStringHero]

I say we pull out all Coaltion troops immediatley...

Then nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

I'm kidding of course.

 

[ProudAmerican]

The problem with these two statements is that you give the impression Iraq was always important to Al-Q. It did not become important to Al-Q until we toppled the government and we were unable to oversee the development of a new secure one.

It was important enough for them to train at terror camps in the north, and for leaders to seek medical treatment there.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

Terrorist bombings and killings were not a problem in Iraq until after the fall of Baghdad to US forces.

so as long as the people that killed 3,000 Americans arent making a fuss, we should just leave them be. perfect strategy.

Now Iraq has the ability to be run by whomever has the most fire power so Al-Q is racing to fight the US as much as possible in Iraq so that they can possibly put an ally in control of it.

lol. the only way AQ could ever HOPE TO BELIEVE they had as much firepower as America is with the help of liberals and the media. with them on their side, they have no reason to believe they cant beat us.

The last thing they can let happen is to have a US ally running Iraq, so they will continue to fight and not let that happen.

AQ has no chance, as long as AMerica wakes up, and quits catering the the anti war left. we can defeat this enemy easily whenever we finally decide to actually fight.

 

[ProudAmerican]

I say we pull out all Coaltion troops immediatley...

Then nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

I'm kidding of course.

Nuclear weapons would save AMerican lives immdiately, and Iraqi lives in the long rung.

it should be a viable option. but the left wont have it.

keep in mind, there are nukes that can be used without wiping out entire countries.

 

[Deegan]

This does put the anti-war crowd in a bit of a pickle, they said how America has made the wise choice, and that this government will pull their soldiers out before another one has to die by their hand. It's really hard to get around this, if they pull us out, and all while these terrorists are spewing this sort of rhetoric, it's really not going to look good for us. That said, these punks are always going to talk tough on tape, but I can assure you that this "12 thousand man army" is not going to show themselves to our Marines, so this means very little. I wish we could start a little propaganda campaign of our own, and start calling these cowards out in the open, and just laugh at them when they never do.:roll:

 

[Hatuey]

If you say OBL is in Detroit, I'll consider the source. If al-Queda issues a tape to the American media saying OBL is in Detroit, I'm going to pay attention.

The problem with your statement is that Faux itself doesnt consider the source. They're incredibly sketchy "An audio tape released on a militant website". They dont provide a link to said website and then they add to the sketchy by saying "There is no way of proving that the voice on the tape is the leader of the insurgency". It could have been you or I for all Faux knows.

And to play by your rules: Do you have 'evidence to the contrary" on what Fox is reporting?

Again the problem is Faux itself doesnt provide any information about who it came from and if it is a reliable source it just passes it off as fact. Because we all know an arab kid with a tape recorder couldnt have made this tape.

 

[Gibberish]

It was important enough for them to train at terror camps in the north, and for leaders to seek medical treatment there.

Iraq wasn't unique in this. There are camps in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghan. There most likely still are training camps in Iraq even with us there.

Iso as long as the people that killed 3,000 Americans arent making a fuss, we should just leave them be. perfect strategy.

What Iraqi's were involved in the killing of 3,000 Americans? Majority of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudi and from Afghan.

lol. the only way AQ could ever HOPE TO BELIEVE they had as much firepower as America is with the help of liberals and the media. with them on their side, they have no reason to believe they cant beat us.

How exactly are liberals aiding terrorists? Wouldn't that be treason? If this claim is true shouldn't all liberals be rounded up and sent to prison and/or executed?

AQ has no chance, as long as AMerica wakes up, and quits catering the the anti war left. we can defeat this enemy easily whenever we finally decide to actually fight.

How can you defeat an idea? Are you going to go to every person in the world and ask if they believe America should die and then kill them or arrest them if they say yes?

Yes you can kill a bunch of terrorists but you can't stop terrorism. You can only defend yourself against it. These people are willing to die for their beliefs. We need to make it next to impossible for them to access area's with bombs and such. We need a full proof defense, not a half thought out offense.

 

[Gibberish]

Nuclear weapons would save AMerican lives immdiately, and Iraqi lives in the long rung.

it should be a viable option. but the left wont have it.

keep in mind, there are nukes that can be used without wiping out entire countries.

Nuclear technology brings with it a great fear. America itself won't have it. There is to much fear of us scaring the rest of the world into getting nuclear weapons and possibly using them also, especially enemy nations such as Iran and N. Korea.

The bully in the play ground doesn't win when the little kids gang up on him.

 

[Stinger]

The Democratic win has done exactly what I knew it would do IE it has emboldened the enemy, Democrats are weak on defense, they will cut and run not only from Iraq but on the overall war on terror as well inspiring the enemy to once again attack us on our shores which under the Democrats will become extremely vulnerable due to the Dems suicidal stance on National Security. Anyone who voted for the Democrats can feel proud today knowing that the ballot they cast was for an Al-Qaeda victory and a U.S. defeat. Congragulations the only real winners here are Al-Qaeda.

Heck did you hear the new Speaker after the election? She was asked about winning in Iraq now and she reacted in amazement. This isn' about winning to her it's about finding a way out.

No wonder the radical Islamist are celebrating. Thing how easy it will be to recruit and fire up their armies. Think how demoralized our troops must feel after a statement like that.

Yeah she supports the troops.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Iraq wasn't unique in this. There are camps in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghan. There most likely still are training camps in Iraq even with us there.

the first part of your statement is perfectly true, and completely irrelevant. the second part would require a link with some proof. you know, like the one I gave you.

What Iraqi's were involved in the killing of 3,000 Americans? Majority of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudi and from Afghan.

umm, the AQ members in Iraq now are what I am talking about. but you know this. you are just using a tired leftist strategy to take focus off the issue.

How exactly are liberals aiding terrorists? Wouldn't that be treason? If this claim is true shouldn't all liberals be rounded up and sent to prison and/or executed?

youre right. my bad. liberals support the troops, their country, and the war in Iraq fully. They would never do anything to undermine the current administrations attempts to protect the country from AQ or other terrorists organizations. my mistake.

How can you defeat and idea? Are you going to go to every person in the world and ask if they believe America should die and then kill them or arrest them if they say yes?

just like the idea of nazism created physical followers.....so does islamic facism.

Yes you can kill a bunch of terrorists but you can't stop terrorism. You can only defend yourself against it.

well that strategy worked ****ing wonders 5 years ago didnt it?

These people are willing to die for their beliefs.

and just like the nazis, they will eventually run out of followers. we simply must make believers out of them. our half assed attempts at fighting them so far will not get the job done. on that we agree.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Nuclear technology brings with it a great fear. America itself won't have it. There is to much fear of us scaring the rest of the world into getting nuclear weapons and possibly using them also, especially enemy nations such as Iran and N. Korea.

The bully in the play ground doesn't win when the little kids gang up on him.

does Japan have nuclear technology?

 

[Stinger]

How exactly are liberals aiding terrorists?

The question is how exactly are liberals helping in the fight against the Islamic Terrorist? What do they support?

 

[ProudAmerican]

The question is how exactly are liberals helping in the fight against the Islamic Terrorist? What do they support?

and if you dont support fighting them, well, that can definately be considered aiding them.

if I see my next door neighbor hit his 6 year old kid in the mouth, and I dont do all I can to make sure he is held accountable, I bet you gibberish would consider that "aiding" him.

 

[Iriemon]

and if you dont support fighting them, well, that can definately be considered aiding them.

if I see my next door neighbor hit his 6 year old kid in the mouth, and I dont do all I can to make sure he is held accountable, I bet you gibberish would consider that "aiding" him.

Maybe we should invade Russia or China. I bet if we do we'd find lots of terrorists there.

 

[Hatuey]

the first part of your statement is perfectly true, and completely irrelevant. the second part would require a link with some proof. you know, like the one I gave you.

Your ignorance of world issues is amazing. The taliban in Afghanistan were training by AQ members.

umm, the AQ members in Iraq now are what I am talking about. but you know this. you are just using a tired leftist strategy to take focus off the issue.

Most of the groups in Iraq associate themselves with AQ but they themselves aren't members.

youre right. my bad. liberals support the troops, their country, and the war in Iraq fully. They would never do anything to undermine the current administrations attempts to protect the country from AQ or other terrorists organizations. my mistake.

How do you protect a country by leaving it defenseless? Our troops over there and nobody will get us over here?

just like the idea of nazism created physical followers.....so does islamic facism.

30 million radical gay hating, muslim hating evangelists were recently in the news.

well that strategy worked ****ing wonders 5 years ago didnt it?

You're a genius. Madrid? London? Bali? Cairo?

and just like the nazis, they will eventually run out of followers. we simply must make believers out of them. our half assed attempts at fighting them so far will not get the job done. on that we agree.

There is will always be somebody thinking that somebody is trying to destroy their religion. For muslims it's the extremists for us it's Pat Robertson and everybody who watches the 700 club. You can't fight paranoia. Only institutionalize it. In case you dont know there is something called the neo-nazis and skinheads.

Anybody can be made into a blind follower and at 1.4 Billion muslims. You'll have a way to go.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Your ignorance of world issues is amazing. The taliban in Afghanistan were training by AQ members.

yeah, just paint me as ignorant. typical leftist debate tactic. :roll:

Most of the groups in Iraq associate themselves with AQ but they themselves aren't members.

:spin: the group is AQ IN IRAQ. it doesnt get much clearer than that.

How do you protect a country by leaving it defenseless? Our troops over there and nobody will get us over here?

please provide proof we are defensless as a nation. thanks in advance.

30 million radical gay hating, muslim hating evangelists were recently in the news.

strawman

You're a genius. Madrid? London? Bali? Cairo?

you are clearly the genius. I was pointing out how your strategy protected us on 9-11.
or not.

There is will always be somebody thinking that somebody is trying to destroy their religion. For muslims it's the extremists for us it's Pat Robertson and everybody who watches the 700 club.

LMAO.....yeah cause Pat Robertson is responsible for so many thousands of deaths here in America, and throughout the world.

You can't fight paranoia. Only institutionalize it. In case you dont know there is something called the neo-nazis and skinheads.

and the neo nazis and skin heads have no where near the numbers the nazis once had. we wiped them out to a point where they are small in number, and have virtually no power to do anything.

one can only hope we are strong enough to minimize muslems to the same level. but as long as we listen to the anti war crowd, it wont happen.