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PeteEU said:
but has Al Jazeera or any other major news organisation actually shown this beheading?

That was my question to you...you seem to be actively proselytizing for al Jazeera, so did they or did they not show the beheading of one or more of AQ captives of whatever nationality? It has been my impression that al Jazeera showed Zarqawi's beheading of Nicholas Berg right up to the moment when Zarqawi actually began to draw blood, then cut away.

Further, your characterization of a "so-called beheading" sound suspiciously like being a little bit pregnant.
 
What, exactly, did they show? What, exactly, is a "so-called beheading"?

It really wasn't a beheading, O.R.. It was simply an act of kindness in which our dear friend relieved Mr.Berg of the terrible burdon placed upon his neck by the weight of his head.

Remember, it's all about the ability to seize language, and so sayiing "so called beheading" is offered here to cast doubt on the actual process involved.

Much like how al-J routinely refers to Palestinian suicide murderers as "martyrs". Of course, that doesn't show any bias, right?
 
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It has been my impression that al Jazeera showed Zarqawi's beheading of Nicholas Berg right up to the moment when Zarqawi actually began to draw blood, then cut away.

Exactly, that is what I saw.. on CNN, BBC, Sky News, Euronews and other channels. Why are people not calling them the "beheading channels"? The only place you actually saw the beheading is if you looked on the net. Thats why I said "so called beheading", because it never happened on Al Jazeera or any other station that I know of.

My point is that much of the "hatred" towards Al Jazeera in the US seems be based on right wing anti arab talking points and the oh so called "truthful words" of Rumsfeldt and Co. Al Jazeera were accused of being Saddams mouthpiece during the war and leading up to the war.. err yea and Saddams henchmen called Al Jazeera the mouthpiece of the US army and administration? Al Jazeera gets Al Q stuff.. yea they do.. so what? Al Q have sent it to others too, and posted it on servers around the world.. what about damning the ISPs or the servers owners? What about those that send AL Q stuff after AL Jazeera releases it? That includes Fox you know?

As far as I can see it, Al Jazeera pissed off the Bush administration and its allies in the middle east and have since been painted as an anti US pro terrorist mouthpiece by said goverments... goverments who often secretly fund terrorist groups and are not exactly free societies...

Yes they do call palestinian bombers martyrs on the arabic channel.. but so do every other arabic news channel in the region with the exception of the US funded one of course (which no one watches). Fox News calls them homocide bombers... so now they are not terrorist bombers? Different words mean different things depending on the culture. Crusade for us is not insulting, but for muslims its extremly insulting, which GWB seems to forget.

And Al Jazeera English is not Al Jazeera Arabic, just as CNN US is not CNN International.
 
As I said, and I don't know if anyone knows the answer, but will this be translated from the original, or is this just more of the same stuff we can get from watching the BBC. I welcome the translated version, I think it's important for all of us to know what they are saying, for us all to know how they view us, and the great harm they wish to see inflicted. Now if this is what it will be, great, I'm all for it, but if it's just a "kinder, gentler" Aljazz. I don't think it's necessary.
 
As I said, and I don't know if anyone knows the answer, but will this be translated from the original, or is this just more of the same stuff we can get from watching the BBC. I welcome the translated version, I think it's important for all of us to know what they are saying, for us all to know how they view us, and the great harm they wish to see inflicted. Now if this is what it will be, great, I'm all for it, but if it's just a "kinder, gentler" Aljazz. I don't think it's necessary.

you say it in future tense.. its there now. And its a channel by itself, not translated. You can view the channel online at www.aljazerra.net/english

As for you BBC comment.. do you even watch it or is it again more RNC talking points?
 
peteEU said:
My point is that much of the "hatred" towards Al Jazeera in the US seems be based on right wing anti arab talking points and the oh so called "truthful words" of Rumsfeldt and Co.

Though the memory of 9/11 fading in the minds of many, as a survivor of both WTC attacks, my enmity towards al Jazeera knows no bounds. This enmity is based not only on the personal losses in the WTC and other 9/11 attacks themselves, but the scenes of jubilation in Arab lands that al Jazeera displayed prominently afterwards. Yes, these same scenes were shown on US networks, but it is my impression (and you may be able to correct me if I'm wrong on this) that al Jazeera played these scenes over and over and over, in effect, helping enormously to glorify the attacks of 9/11. OBL has always been very media savvy; in doing this, al Jazeera aided the efforts of the architect of 9/11 tremendously.

Perhaps "Rumsfeld and Co." demonized al Jazeera, thats largely a matter of opinion. But remember that, at the time, we in the West had very little information with which to evaluate/compare al Jazeera. Consequently, based on the al Jazeera that was presented to most of us in the West, demonization of al Jazeera wasn't too difficult a task. To me, and I suspect to many other Americans, this is personal. Very personal.

With respect to al Jazeera and Iraq and the ensuing WOT following 9/11, I welcome al Jazeera's coverage. If nothing else, it demonstrates to the world the effectiveness, the breadth and depth, and the singleness of purpose of al Qaeda's and radical Islams purposes and intents as portrayed thru their media efforts. For a relatively mild example, have you seen some of the recruiting commercials for suicide bombers? Especially those originated on Iranian TV? Very telling.

Further, it is my impression, and possibly that of other Americans, that OBL's messages get much more extended coverage on al Jazeera than anywhere else in the world, excepting radical Muslim websites. Hence, it is hard for those with that impression to not conclude that al Jazeera favors radical Islam - but keep in mind that those impressions were, until the formation of the new outlet, formed by the al Jazeera as presented in the US by the other media outlets, so perhaps there is a very good reason for that attitude.

We, the public in the West, need to see al Jazeera and al Arabyia in their totality. We need to be more accurately aware of how we are being portrayed, what is being said that shapes attitudes and beliefs about the West in the Arab world in general and the Muslim world in particular. Equally important, we need to see their portrayal of Islam, both radical and moderate, both Sunni and Shiia, and their view of the rest of the world.

Just my opinion. YMMV.
 
Though the memory of 9/11 fading in the minds of many, as a survivor of both WTC attacks, my enmity towards al Jazeera knows no bounds. This enmity is based not only on the personal losses in the WTC and other 9/11 attacks themselves, but the scenes of jubilation in Arab lands that al Jazeera displayed prominently afterwards. Yes, these same scenes were shown on US networks, but it is my impression (and you may be able to correct me if I'm wrong on this) that al Jazeera played these scenes over and over and over, in effect, helping enormously to glorify the attacks of 9/11. OBL has always been very media savvy; in doing this, al Jazeera aided the efforts of the architect of 9/11 tremendously.

They showed arabs celebrating over here, again and again.. so what? Thats showing both sides of the story. I understand US networks not showing it, considering the situation and the self censorship that got imposed after 9/11, but why should the rest of the world not show what is happening out there? And dont forget that Al Jazeeras viewers are arabs, and they would probally wonder why Al Jazeera or the other stations did not show the jubilant scenes on TV, when they could clearly see it outside thier own windows..

Perhaps "Rumsfeld and Co." demonized al Jazeera, thats largely a matter of opinion. But remember that, at the time, we in the West had very little information with which to evaluate/compare al Jazeera. Consequently, based on the al Jazeera that was presented to most of us in the West, demonization of al Jazeera wasn't too difficult a task. To me, and I suspect to many other Americans, this is personal. Very personal.

Rumsfeldt has publicly been critical of Al Jazeera several times and his military has "accidently" killed AL Jazeera journalists and bombed thier offices in 2 countries they invaded. Yes it is personal, that is very clear to me and the rest of the world, but why? There were and are several Arab news stations like Al Jazeera who are worse bias wise and have recieved stuff from Al Q and glorified the death of Americans.

With respect to al Jazeera and Iraq and the ensuing WOT following 9/11, I welcome al Jazeera's coverage. If nothing else, it demonstrates to the world the effectiveness, the breadth and depth, and the singleness of purpose of al Qaeda's and radical Islams purposes and intents as portrayed thru their media efforts. For a relatively mild example, have you seen some of the recruiting commercials for suicide bombers? Especially those originated on Iranian TV? Very telling.

And you got this info from? No I have not seen recruitment adds for suicide bombers on Al Jazeera and I doubt VERY much that there has been any and I dont watch Iranian tv (even though I can), because thats even worse than Fox News.

Further, it is my impression, and possibly that of other Americans, that OBL's messages get much more extended coverage on al Jazeera than anywhere else in the world, excepting radical Muslim websites. Hence, it is hard for those with that impression to not conclude that al Jazeera favors radical Islam - but keep in mind that those impressions were, until the formation of the new outlet, formed by the al Jazeera as presented in the US by the other media outlets, so perhaps there is a very good reason for that attitude.

That is not true. OBL sends his messages to Al Jazeera yea, some of them, or Al Jazeera gets thier hands on them before others, but extended coverage hell no. Sure its "extended coverage" if you compare to US networks like Fox, but they under cover OBL messages so..

We, the public in the West, need to see al Jazeera and al Arabyia in their totality. We need to be more accurately aware of how we are being portrayed, what is being said that shapes attitudes and beliefs about the West in the Arab world in general and the Muslim world in particular. Equally important, we need to see their portrayal of Islam, both radical and moderate, both Sunni and Shiia, and their view of the rest of the world.

Yep and Al Jazeera in English is hardly radical islam, and I would also say that Al Jazeera in Arabic is hardly radical islam also with a few exceptions.

Just my opinion. YMMV.

as are mine.

But again, we are talking about Al Jazeera in English, not Arabic.. 2 different stations.
 
I wonder how liberals are going to react when they realize that Al Jazeera is more conservative than foxnews.

You mean like the segment I saw on a 'special' about Al Jazeera where they were discussing the proper way to beat your wife?
 
I see this as an opportunity for Americans to understand the enemy better.

I would venture to say that most don't know Sunni from Shiite, Taliban from talcum powder or Muslim from Buddhist for that matter.

Yeah because all Americans are stupid right? Unlike you hipsterdufus, a worldly and educated man that KNOWS Sunni from Shiite.
 
FreeThinker said:
I wonder what liberals are going to do when they realize Al Jazeera is more conservative than foxnews.

Is that possible??

Yes, it is. I have yet to see a woman being beaten by her husband on FoxNews.
 
Ild recomend it as well. I expected it to have a pan-arabist bias but it seams very middle of the road.

middle of the road. hahaha

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middle of the road. hahaha

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It all depends on which road you're on doesn't it?


I mean, David Duke is middle of the road to Ptsdkid, navysealpatriot, whip and others, so of course al J is middle of the road to antisemites who have been conditioned to accept it as such because of the demands of their dogmatic worldview.


Just remember, we don't say "terrorist" anymore. They are martyrs. ;)
 
middle of the road. hahaha

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A picture of someone protesting against funding isreal is hardly incriminating evidence of bias. Fox provided pictures of pro-imigration rallys but that doesnt consitutue a condonement of there views [It is fox news after all]

I recently saw an interview on al jazeera with some kurdish people who [understandably] said that golden statues should be errected of Blair and Bush. The station is hardly the mouth pice of Bin Larden

Calling to cease funding towards a government that doesnt respect human rights [such as isreal] hardly eqautes to supporting terroism. Thats supporting human rights not oposseing the jewish people. I say the same about saudi arabia so its hardly anything personal about the jews.

My main news source is the Daily Telegraph so im hardly brainwashed by the leftist media:roll:
 
For those who assert that Al Jazeera is unbiased:

Title: Al Jazeera shows the hate
Posted On: December 9, 2006, 16:10 PM
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It is shocking to see the hate that Arabs have for Israel, but it is too big a problem to ignore. So in the interest of knowing our enemy: (h/t LGF)

Pierre Heumann of the Swiss weekly Die Weltwoche spoke with Al-Jazeera Editor-in-Chief Ahmed Sheikh in Doha. This revealing interview appears here in English for the first time.

Mr. Sheikh, as the Editor in Chief of Al-Jazeera, you are one of the most important opinion-makers in the Arab world. What do you call suicide bombers?

For what is happening in Palestine, we never use the expression "suicide bombing."

What do you call it then?

In English, I would describe it as "bombings."

And in Arabic?

Literally translated, we would speak of "commando attacks." In our culture, it is precisely not suicide.

But instead a praiseworthy act?

When the country is occupied and the people are being killed by the enemy, everyone must take action, even if he sacrifices himself in so doing.

Even if in so doing he kills innocent civilians?

That is not a Palestinian problem, but a problem of the Israelis.

Now remember that this is a "journalist" and objective observer and reporter of facts. Even worse this is the most moderate news source for Arabs and Muslims worldwide. Let's get a taste for just how far around the bend this newsman is about the Joooos.

Source: Blackfive
 
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Al Jazerra in English is not Al Jazerra in Arabic. Is Al Jazerra in Arabic biased.. yep never doubted that.. but I do doubt that they are as biased and bad as many on the american right and pro Israel part of american society try to paint them as.

Is Al Jazerra in English biased for the palestinian cause... yep somewhat, but then again most news organisations are biased to one side or another... mostly the Israeli side in the US.

And then again its more balanced than what I see on Fox or the other american networks.. both the Isreali and palestinian side are represented..... even saw the Isreali Foreign Minister spokesman today commenting (and for once being not a total ***) about the Human Rights council at the UN. Is the palestinian represented more than the Isreali.. yes probally, but if you look at US networks, the Palestian point of view is almost not representated at all.

If you look at the stories that Al Jazeera in English run, then they are very similar to the ruthlessness of certain good old fashion news organisations. They do the stories you dont hear on Fox, CNN or even the BBC. Darfur is a daily story, with wall to wall coverage compared to western news media.. and no they aint "positive" for the arab point of view... in fact quite the opposite. Where is it on US tv or even European tv? no where.. its not politically "correct" to give a damn about it.... just talk tough and no action or lik the american right.. blame the UN. But Al Jazeera does put things into persepective... like there are more internally displaced people in Iraq than there are displaced in Darfur.. but that fact is never really come out.. because the US of course disputes this.. just as it disputes there is a civil war, dispite 3000 dead a month and more and more educated Iraqies fleeing the country.

They also run loads of stories about issues that never make it to the front of western media.. corruption, abuse of power and human rights in the 3rd world and other places. Like a lake of hot mud, created by a corporation looking for gas/oil who now refuses to clean up or rehouse the hundreds of displaced people.. oh yes its in the 3rd world, so who gives a damn right?

I am getting to understand why most nations goverments and many organisations hate this channel, as it outs goverments and organisations for what they are, asking the hard questions and questioning the establishment.
 
From MSNBC,

Saudis captured in Iraq say it's because of pictures on Arab television network Al-Jazeera.

"We saw the Americans massacring the Iraqis," says one Saudi prisoner in Iraq via translation.
 
Where I can view it free of charge?(I'm not going to pay 8.95/m for Al-Jazeera)

I feel the opportunity of being able to judge this channel objectively is stolen away from me. I don't trust second hand sources, especially avid supporters of the network.

How long do you think before this will be on US Cable?
 
I already get that network....Its called CNN.........;)

I never understood when people say say this. I've never noticed a leftist spin on CNN, Its the same as FOX to me, just not a blantantly conservative. That's why I get my news online.
 
Where I can view it free of charge?(I'm not going to pay 8.95/m for Al-Jazeera)

You can view it online at Al Jazeera English - Front Page.

I feel the opportunity of being able to judge this channel objectively is stolen away from me. I don't trust second hand sources, especially avid supporters of the network.

I agree, but the same goes for avid opponents of the network :) And I am niether.

How long do you think before this will be on US Cable?

probally when hell freezes over or if they pay off a cable company or 2. They have had problems with US cable companies according to what I have heard, but so has the BBC and most like other media companies that are seen as "anti US" by the right.
 

1 we where talking about the english language channel
2 i wasnt aware cartoons where only allowed on western channels. Are such things only acceptable for white people?
 
1 we where talking about the english language channel
2 i wasnt aware cartoons where only allowed on western channels. Are such things only acceptable for white people?

Al Jazeera is a pro-terrorist network.
 
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