- Jul 31, 2005
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Do you believe that we are in a war on terrorism and that there are terrorists out there that want to kill you and me?
Do you believe like many liberals that the war on terror should be handled in a more sensitive way and as John Kerry believes a police action?
So in November if the Democrats start taking seats.....our government will turn its back on military?
Mickeytrout11 said:Wow, Navy Pride, I really appreciate the way you go about things. Not the usual conservative mudslinging or my own liberal mud brand :lol:
Part 1: No. Part 2: Yes. There are terrorists that want to kill us. We are not in a war on terrorism. To be honest, I think Saddam and Iraq democracy should've come after bin Laden. We shouldn't completely pull out of the region, but perhaps we should minimize our presence and focus 100% on bin Laden & Co.
As I stated above, all we should be looking for now are bin Laden and his cohorts. We're using 9/11 as a rallying cry when the #1 man responsible for it has been swept aside because he's too hard to catch.
It disgusts me.
So ... right now the Republicans are turning their backs on freedom?
Just using identical logic as yours.
So what would it take to convince you that we are in a war on terror.......On 9/11/01 we lost 3,000 innocent civilians, if we had not taken Saddam out and he got a Dirty bomb and gave it to Al Quaeda and they planted it in NYC and 3,000,000 were murdered would that convince you?
You see that under the Clinton Adminstration that is exactly what we did in Afghanistan....We knew Bin Laden was there and had sworn to kill all infidels but we ignored the warning......Well we know what happened don't we.......This president did not want to make the same mistake and one thing you have to grudgingly admit is that Saddam will never use a WOMD against the country now......
Now as far as getting Bin Laden........As far as we know Bin Laden might be dead.......Where as we always use to get these nice videos from him every other month the only thing we have received from him is 1 audio tape that could have been rigged in many ways with other tapes using his voice.......
Personally although the left likes to harp on us not getting him I believe he is a non factor at this time probably cowering in some cave in Pakistan...
I Believe that Zaqawi is a much bigger danger at this point and he is the one we should try and take out...........
Mickeytrout11 said:There is no war without two sides.
As I have no doubt that the terrorists would love to fight us, we aren't returning the favor. We are not fighting terrorists! We tried, but it got too hard, so Bush thought it was a good excuse to get back at the guy who tried to kill his Daddy. Whatever happened to catching bin Laden? I 100% supported the Afghanistanian action. I 100% opposed the Iraqi invasion.
Mickeytrout11 said:There is no war without two sides. As I have no doubt that the terrorists would love to fight us, we aren't returning the favor. We are not fighting terrorists! We tried, but it got too hard, so Bush thought it was a good excuse to get back at the guy who tried to kill his Daddy. Whatever happened to catching bin Laden? I 100% supported the Afghanistanian action. I 100% opposed the Iraqi invasion.
It just seemed like the government wanted to catch somebody, and bin laden was too hard, so we went to Iraq. We aren't in a war on terror.
Look, maybe Clinton ignored the warnings, I don't know, and don't want to look it up. But so did Bush. I bet if 9/11 happened on 9/11/98, or some other time in Clinton admin., he would've gone to look for bin Laden. Having Bush hunt down Saddam, who is completely unrelated to 9/11, after it will not make the souls who died that day come back. Both presidents ignored warnings, that is a moot point.
Ha, talk about ignore! You just burned Clinton for "ignoring the signs", you say we need to fight a war on terror, yet you're saying, "Ahh, bin laden's dead, that's why we won't look for him." That's ridiculous.
OK. Let's say he is in Pakistan. Why aren't we there? We're in Iraq, aren't we? Look, terror is my #1 international issue. I wouldn't care if Musharaff (or whatever) said we couldn't go in, I'd say: "bin Laden is there. He killed our people. We're comin' in, whether you like it or not." Is the Bush admin. afraid of that, do they just not care, or are they happen with their new 51st state in Iraq?
In time, in time...bin Laden first, I say. We need to take down terrorists, not random dictators who pissed off our daddies. This is why I think this administration is soft on terror.
How quickly you forget 9/11/01
I don't know if Bin Laden is dead or not but he has become a non factor...
How do you know we are not looking for him in Pakistan?
Lets just face it, you hate GWB.......He suckered you in 2000, 2002 and 2004 and you can't get over it
Mickeytrout11 said:Whatever, dude. Just wait, just wait...
Oh, and here's some proven food for thought from an actual source..chew these over while you're at it.
Lemme guess what'll be next: "ZOGBY is soo liberal! C'mon use an unbiased site like ConservativePollsters.com if you wanna be taken seriously!"
vergiss said:So, jamesrage, freedom of speech for some and not for others? .
Ever read Animal Farm? Wait, no... that'd require IQ
easyt65 said:Yeah, I would hate to put you on the spot and force you to explain why it is OK for Carter and Clinton to use the wire-tapping program but totally criminal for Bush to! :roll:
Mickeytrout11 said:Look, the man is telling the truth.
Face it, we have locked up innocent Arabs in the past. We may even have some locked up now.
I don't care if it's war or peace or nukes falling from the sky, anybody should say whatever they want, whenevr they want, wherever they want. Including, and especially, truth.
Just because it's damming to your personal political beliefs doesn't mean it's unpatriotic to say, contrary to most crazy conservatives' beliefs.
python416 said:It is funny how everything the GOP can't make a reasonable response for always find its way back to Clinton.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - 'He who shall Not Be Named' had all those ILLEGAL FBI files on specific people - all Republicans and political opponents - used for specific reasons - his OWN political survival/agenda! And another big difference, HIS warrantless witretaps and search and seisures of private property were conducted in a time of PEACE, not war - he had NO REAL reason to use the program!python416 said:The difference is that when Clinton and Carter did it, they were targetting specific people for specific reasons.
python416 said:HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!
easyt65 said:By your 'zogby' comment, I take it the links take you to some Poll results. i didn't bother to go there. The Democrats have not realized yet that only LOSERS try to govern by POLLS. The rsesult is flip flopping like Kerry, who was rejected for his imitation of a fish out of water. <flip, flop, flip....> Leaders rule by conviction, make the tough decisions, and stick to it, doing what is right rather than what the latest poll says! THAT is what America wants, as proof by 2000 and 2004 election results!
easyt65 said::yawn: :violin:
Dude, Just because Kerry got publicly exposed and branded for his Flip Flopping, which landed him on his face at the polls the last election, don't waste my time trying to convince me that the Democrats don't live and die by polls. Bush has remained constent on his position on the war on terror while the Democrats have been for it, against it, voted for it, voted against it, declared hussein had WMD and had to be removed, to 'I'm an Internationalist "(NOT American - thanks, Kerry) to blah, blah, blah.....
Next week you'll be posting the LATEST Zogby poll and explaining how this week what you REALLY meant was.......:roll:
Captain America said:That's all well and good EZ. But, besides skating around the Bush flip-flop episodes posted above ( :spin: ), do you have anything else to add?
Captain America said:You're a democrat? Fooled me.
Captain America said:If you wanna dog out Gore for his stupidity... But hey, back to the subject of Gore. He's an idiot.... the subject on what a goofball Gore is....