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Airport body scanners reveal all, but what about when it's your kid?

Not really, actually, quite intellectually dishonest. No WBI [body imaging] DNOES NOT EQUATE to no security measures. Thew people who opt out still get checked. If something were to go wrong, I wouldn't go about saying "oh, so-and-so should be done, such and such should have to do XYZ..." no, I would find the problem and fix it - fire incompetent people [plenty in the TSA] if possible, change policies, etc, not look for more reasons to make the airport security check needlessly invasive and time consuming for the passengers.

BTW: the chance of getting killed in a plane crash by terrorists is on par [of not more unlikely] than getting struck by lightning. Blind supporters of this call the opposition fear mongers, yet are willing to support putting in technology that hasn't been completely tested, not completely proven effective or safe, in place for a microscopic possibility and condemn those who oppose with all sorts of hysterical emotional games. Kinda ironic really.

I call bull****. Im no FAN of Obama but I know damn good and well and I suspect you do too that people would be lining up to blame him for not doing everything he can and the TSA could to keep people safe. I'll take you at your word...you say YOU wouldnt...OK...fine...but seriously...You REALLy dont think people would?

Like I said I typically fly about 30 times a year. Bring on the scanners.
 
What there IS fearmongering? Good lord...thats the weakest response Ive seen here since...well...OK...yesterday...

Who is fearmongering? me for saying...the threat is real and we FULL ON expect the TSA to do everything reasonably possible to keep the airlines safe, or you and "dont look at my tiny pee pee on an X ray!" Oh...Im sorry...at your KIDS tiny pee pee on an X Ray...

Just who is 'afraid' of what?

Well it's not really an X Ray now is it. And realize some parents don't want junior or little Suzy's pee-pee and coochie being spread on the internet as masturbation fodder. Just call 'em crazy I guess huh?
 
Well it's not really an X Ray now is it. And realize some parents don't want junior or little Suzy's pee-pee and coochie being spread on the internet as masturbation fodder. Just call 'em crazy I guess huh?

No one WANTS that...but to FEAR it??? To fear a black white image that shows no facial features? And hey...Ive already said...death penalty for the first SOB they catch doing it.
 
Only transmitted them when placed for diagnostic purposes? How do they define transmitted? Wouldn't you need to "transmit" them from the image taking device to the screen being monitored by TSOs?

How does this make sense?


...for the THIRD time.

"There is no way for someone in the airport environment to put the machine into the test mode," the official said, adding that test mode can be enabled only in TSA test facilities.

I have yet to see this refuted.
 
...for the THIRD time.



I have yet to see this refuted.

Well, your quote did not address the question I made, how does it make sense? You need to transmit the image from the image producing device in the first place in order for people to see it. Surely it is actually a matter of capturing that data somewhere along the process, which explains the ability to actually save those images, something that is logically VITAL to anything involving airport security I'd say.

And I personally wouldn't trust the TSA's word blind, the words of the people who manufactured the device and programmed the software are much better a source, IMO. How do we know this to be true? Maybe they are just saying this to keep people calm, maybe they are telling the truth, maybe there is a seriously exploitable bug in their software... we don't know, I sure as hell don't expect the TSA to tell us truthfully.
 
...for the THIRD time.



I have yet to see this refuted.

The TSA documents I've posted already refuted it hours ago wen you first asserted this. Not only can they record, but these machines are networked, and they CAN be put into "super user" mode to record and save, per the TSA's own documents. So don't make it a FOURTH time being wrong.

If it "can" be done it "will" be done.
 
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The TSA documents I've posted already refuted it hours ago wen you first asserted this. Not only can they record, but these machines are networked, and they CAN be put into "super user" mode to record and save, per the TSA's own documents. So don't make it a FOURTH time being wrong.

If it "can" be done it "will" be done.

Well, really... think about it. Is it easier to sell a scanner that violates british child porn laws, by saying it can't save the pictures or to say that they can save, print, share, the pictures.

Then there's the TSA agents getting into fistfights joking about the size of their manhood....

Not to mention that going into one of those is equivalent to multiple chest x-rays.

Not to mention that there's been cases reported of TSA workers asking famous people to sign their naked pictures.

Also, the pictures you've seen, the 'black and white blobs'... that's the negative image, if you reverse the negative, you got your naked body, in detail down to the last wrinkle.

This is more about a display of power, and showing who's boss more then it's about 'security'. If someone really wanted to blow up a plane, or hijack it, they will find the way around security to accomplish what they way. There's always people out testing airline security as it is, and more often then not it gets reported that security was bypassed.
 
I know I should read the rest of the thread but the first page alone had me going crazy....

First, please present any indication that its SOP for TSA to "Strip search" people. ESPECIALLY 10 year old girls.

Second, so we are to simultaneously imagine that these people who are "minimum wage" dufus's as they're being described as a justification for why it would leak are dumb enough to leak it but smart enough to get:

1. Into the inner portions of these machines
2. At airport terminals where there is always other individuals around (as these are going into 24/7 Cat X airports)
3. Bypass the security measures in place
4. To take a few minutes to transfer the pictures to a zip drive
5. And believe they can load it up on youtube without being found out or are stupid enough to not think of it despite smart enough to do all of the above.

That is the strangest set of skills for a dumbass "minimum wage" worker I've ever seen.

You all realize these things aren't just like your common desktop sitting on a desk with a giant USB port showing itself to everyone with no security protection on the computer at all, right?

For ****s Sakes...
 
Also, love you all too. Now if you'll excuse me, I must go back to doing my typical "rube" things like finding out how to use a barf bag.
 
I know I should read the rest of the thread but the first page alone had me going crazy....

First, please present any indication that its SOP for TSA to "Strip search" people. ESPECIALLY 10 year old girls.

Second, so we are to simultaneously imagine that these people who are "minimum wage" dufus's as they're being described as a justification for why it would leak are dumb enough to leak it but smart enough to get:

1. Into the inner portions of these machines
2. At airport terminals where there is always other individuals around (as these are going into 24/7 Cat X airports)
3. Bypass the security measures in place
4. To take a few minutes to transfer the pictures to a zip drive
5. And believe they can load it up on youtube without being found out or are stupid enough to not think of it despite smart enough to do all of the above.

That is the strangest set of skills for a dumbass "minimum wage" worker I've ever seen.

You all realize these things aren't just like your common desktop sitting on a desk with a giant USB port showing itself to everyone with no security protection on the computer at all, right?

For ****s Sakes...

When 10 year old script kiddies can hack into banks from internet cafe's - is it really such a jump in faith to think that people who will work with these machines - day in and day out, won't get to know the passwords, how to bypass security protections or how to access the inner parts of it? Are you kidding?

When you work with a piece of equipment for months - you get to know not only how it works, but how it DOESN'T work and how to get around it so it does. That's not a skill set - that's just survival. As a person who has now worked in techonology for 21 years - it's no jump in faith at all. It's not IF it will happen, it's WHEN it will happen.
 
When 10 year old script kiddies can hack into banks from internet cafe's - is it really such a jump in faith to think that people who will work with these machines - day in and day out, won't get to know the passwords, how to bypass security protections or how to access the inner parts of it? Are you kidding?

Gotcha, so we're supposed to believe that the individuals working with these machines can't operate a "barf bag" but are able to hack million dollar machines with high level security on them in locations that are populated by average citizens and other federal employees 24/7.

That makes tons of logical sense. We all know barf bags are seriously more difficult to deal with than extremely complex technical equipment.
 
First, please present any indication that its SOP for TSA to "Strip search" people. ESPECIALLY 10 year old girls.

Isn't a strip search, by nature, to search somebody for [constraband, whatever] by being able to examine them whilst they are in the nude? It doesn't matter if physical or digital, the TSA is able to do just that by using these machines. Someting we don't even give cops the legal right to do.
 
A simple solution is to have a set of "lead privacy clothing"

A set of "loin cloth" like pieces of fabric much like what you get put on when you go to the dentist to cover your chest. However instead of covering your chest they cover your private parts. Ensure that the pieces of cloth are small enough not to hide to much, but large enough to cover the area's of interest, then privacy issues be gone.
 
Gotcha, so we're supposed to believe that the individuals working with these machines can't operate a "barf bag" but are able to hack million dollar machines with high level security on them in locations that are populated by average citizens and other federal employees 24/7.

It helps if you read and understand what I acutally said --- Post #72

Ockham said:
I wouldn't trust these people with a a used barf bag ...

I said I wouldn't TRUST them with a barf bag... there's a difference between knowledge and trust. If I don't TRUST them with a barf bag, how can I TRUST them to not get into this machine, get the super user passwords, or utilize this expensive device for their own profit or motives?

That makes tons of logical sense. We all know barf bags are seriously more difficult to deal with than extremely complex technical equipment.

It does when you understand the difference between knowledge and trust. You read it wrong so not my problem.
 
holy ****ing ****. People are actually still all pissy and scared about this nonsense? :lol:

I figured they'd be over it by now. This is a non-issue. Some folks just need something rage against.
 
This is a non-issue.

If you say so, it must be correct. :roll:

So long as we allow people to do things to passengers that haven't been proven effective and safe, that we don't even give COPS the right to do on constitutional grounds, on the idea the NOTION [unsubstantiated as of yet] that it will help, is an issue to a lot of people.
 
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