Agreed: He’s just as bad as you think

[Rogue Valley]

All the Trump books agree: He’s just as bad as you think

9/7/20
More books have been written about Abraham Lincoln — some 15,000 — than about any other president, or even any other historical figure with the exception of Jesus. But no president has been the subject of as many books by disgruntled, disgusted, and horrified former aides and associates as Donald Trump. And more are coming. The latest is from Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, who in his soon-to-be-released book describes the president as “a cheat, a liar, a fraud, a bully, a racist, a predator, a con man.” In other words, everything we knew about Trump even before he was elected in 2016. Cohen apparently gives some specifics to illustrate Trump’s character flaws, but none of it sounds all that revelatory. Nevertheless, it’s already No. 1 on Amazon. You can put it on your shelf next to “Melania and Me” by Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, “Unhinged” by Omarosa Manigault-Newman, “The Room Where It Happened” by John Bolton, “A Higher Loyalty” by James Comey, “A Warning” by Anonymous, “Team of Vipers” by Cliff Sims and “Too Much and Never Enough” by Mary L. Trump. That doesn’t count the many books written by journalists that describe the inner workings of the Trump White House, which inevitably contain shocking observations and quotes from people who work closely with the president. But none of them changes our fundamental view of Trump; the message one takes away is, “He’s as bad as you thought.”

The picture the authors of Trump books provide for us only reinforces his public persona, despite the efforts of his advocates to assure us that there’s a hidden, empathetic Trump entirely unlike the one we see before us every day. Just take the recent controversy over Trump’s reported comments disparaging veterans and those killed in war. Trump’s spokespeople can insist that he has only the deepest respect for military service, but no one is surprised to hear one report after another about the contemptuous comments he has made in private. We already knew that the notion of devoting your life to serving a higher cause is something Trump simply can’t wrap his mind around. Nevertheless, one has to marvel that one president could make so many people so horrified that they’d be moved to spend months writing down all the appalling things they witnessed when in his presence. You probably don’t remember all the similar books written by angry Obama officials and confidants, because there weren’t any. People who worked for our last president, it turned out, on the whole found him to be an honorable person who they believed did a good job. In other words, the worst thing anyone who worked for Obama had to say about him was that they disagreed with some of the decisions he made. No one said he was corrupt or ignorant or erratic or cruel, or in any way unsuited to be president of the United States.

As someone who enjoys reading the biographies and autobiographies of US presidents, I'm hard pressed to name another president with such a pervasive negative image.

Nixon is reviled by many, but he did accomplish things even with his hangups. Trump is a different creature altogether. A vindictive psychopath totally unsuited for the most powerful job in the world.

 

[Rexedgar]

All the books were written by the Soros cabal!

 

[Hypothetical]

OMG yes trump is so bad he made them tamper with a FISA warrant so they cold surveil him trying to find ANYTHING to bring him down, THEN he made them continue that narrative for 3 YEARS when they KNEW it was total horse****.

he made them tell their citizens of their states to go ahead and have fun in the face of a pandemic when it originally started!!

HE MADE people riot, loot and burn down their own cities.

**** me, Trump is one BAD dude!

i'm sorry , what has Trump done that is so bad again?

[INSERT leftist talking points and propaganda here]

 

[Lutherf]

So somebody collected a list of people whom Trump has pissed off and have written books about their experience. Those people all agree that Trump sucks.

Why would that possibly be newsworthy?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. It's election season and instead of being journalists our media has generally turned into propagandists for the DNC.

 

[bluesmoke]

All the Trump books agree: He’s just as bad as you think

As someone who enjoys reading the biographies and autobiographies of US presidents, I'm hard pressed to name another president with such a pervasive negative image.

Nixon is reviled by many, but he did accomplish things even with his hangups. Trump is a different creature altogether. A vindictive psychopath totally unsuited for the most powerful job in the world.

Just a note, Nixon was w/o doubt the most liberal Republican going forward and possibly the most liberal president of any Dem, too.

Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

He proposed creating a private health insurance employer mandate, federalizing Medicaid for poor families with dependent minor children, and supporting HMOs. Then, in 1974, he laid out a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan (CHIP) that would provide universal coverage by offering Americans a choice between three types of insurance programs, including Employee Health Insurance, the cost of which would be shared by employers and their workers and would cover most Americans; an improved Medicare plan for senior citizens; and Assisted Health Insurance, which would cover the working poor and anyone else ineligible for the first two programs by having Federal and State governments paying those costs beyond their financial means.

Nixon created the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.

The Clean Air Act of 1970. Though he did veto the Clean Air Act of 1972 and even went so far as to defund major portions of the bill after his veto was overturned an the bill was passed.

He also created the Environmental Protection Agency.

Not bad for a man so reviled. Deservedly so.

Richard Nixon: The Social Liberal Of His Time

 

[Rogue Valley]

Just a note, Nixon was w/o doubt the most liberal Republican going forward and possibly the most liberal president of any Dem, too.

Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

He proposed creating a private health insurance employer mandate, federalizing Medicaid for poor families with dependent minor children, and supporting HMOs. Then, in 1974, he laid out a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan (CHIP) that would provide universal coverage by offering Americans a choice between three types of insurance programs, including Employee Health Insurance, the cost of which would be shared by employers and their workers and would cover most Americans; an improved Medicare plan for senior citizens; and Assisted Health Insurance, which would cover the working poor and anyone else ineligible for the first two programs by having Federal and State governments paying those costs beyond their financial means.

Nixon created the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.

The Clean Air Act of 1970. Though he did veto the Clean Air Act of 1972 and even went so far as to defund major portions of the bill after his veto was overturned an the bill was passed.

He also created the Environmental Protection Agency.

Not bad for a man so reviled. Deservedly so.

Richard Nixon: The Social Liberal Of His Time

As I stated in the OP, Nixon did have accomplishments.

That however, does not expunge the shame.

 

[Craig234]

Just a note, Nixon was w/o doubt the most liberal Republican going forward and possibly the most liberal president of any Dem, too.

You shouldn't mistake Nixon being limited by political realities he opposed, and Nixon actually supporting the policies he helped enact for political benefit. Nixon himself said he didn't care about a single one of the 'liberal' policies his administration enacted, including things like arms control and germ warfare treaties. He was not 'liberal', at all. His presidency ended the good government era of FDR to LBJ.

 

[Craig234]

So somebody collected a list of people whom Trump has pissed off and have written books about their experience. Those people all agree that Trump sucks.

Why would that possibly be newsworthy?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. It's election season and instead of being journalists our media has generally turned into propagandists for the DNC.

The truth is not propaganda. "Hitler was terrible, the holocaust was a historic crime." "That's what anti-Hitler propaganda WOULD say. Just the expected usual propaganda."

 

[bluesmoke]

As I stated in the OP, Nixon did have accomplishments.

That however, does not expunge the shame.

Yes you did. I was giving evidence of specific accomplishment to support the notion that Nixon was the most lbrl Rep prez since his time and maybe even more lbrl than any Dem.

 

[bluesmoke]

You shouldn't mistake Nixon being limited by political realities he opposed, and Nixon actually supporting the policies he helped enact for political benefit. Nixon himself said he didn't care about a single one of the 'liberal' policies his administration enacted, including things like arms control and germ warfare treaties. He was not 'liberal', at all. His presidency ended the good government era of FDR to LBJ.

"most liberal" is a relative term. It's like asking "Who was the most lbrl Rep prez going as far back as Nixon?". Or, "Of the 60 species of tortoise, which is the fastest?"

 

[Moderate Right]

All the Trump books agree: He’s just as bad as you think

As someone who enjoys reading the biographies and autobiographies of US presidents, I'm hard pressed to name another president with such a pervasive negative image.

Nixon is reviled by many, but he did accomplish things even with his hangups. Trump is a different creature altogether. A vindictive psychopath totally unsuited for the most powerful job in the world.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, all anti-Trump books are going to be anti-Trump.

 

[Craig234]

"most liberal" is a relative term. It's like asking "Who was the most lbrl Rep prez going as far back as Nixon?". Or, "Of the 60 species of tortoise, which is the fastest?"

Yes it is, but it's important to understand his views and how different they were than the policies he supported for ulterior motives.

 

[Irwin Corey]

All the books were written by the Soros cabal!

Cheese and Rice, what a load of ****!

 

[bluesmoke]

Yes it is, but it's important to understand his views and how different they were than the policies he supported for ulterior motives.

"Ulterior" is right up there with Watergate terms like "surreptitious" and, "extraneous indented" and "marginal" notes.

 

[Craig234]

"Ulterior" is right up there with Watergate terms like "surreptitious" and, "extraneous indented" and "marginal" notes.

It's accurate. Nixon supported policies he knew would have popular support, but he didn't care about or might even oppose. His ulterior motive was that political support he could use on things he wanted, and gave him a 49 state re-election.

 

[Jack2aTee]

There are two peoples in America: those who know Trump is a born liar, cheat and conman and will vote against him in November, and those who know Trump lies to their faces, will cheat them out of health benefits and would rob every penny out of their pockets if he could--and they simply don't care what he is and will vote for him, riot for him if he loses, probably even take a bullet for him.

This goes beyond cult status. This is almost a mass hysteria unlike anything this country has ever seen. Trump can be classified as the most virulent pathogenic disease that has ever hit this country. I saw a political cartoon of a coronavirus standing in front of a podium saying, "Unfortunately, we won't have a vaccine for Trump by Nov. 3."

 

[Jack2aTee]

Just a note, Nixon was w/o doubt the most liberal Republican going forward and possibly the most liberal president of any Dem, too.

Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

He proposed creating a private health insurance employer mandate, federalizing Medicaid for poor families with dependent minor children, and supporting HMOs. Then, in 1974, he laid out a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan (CHIP) that would provide universal coverage by offering Americans a choice between three types of insurance programs, including Employee Health Insurance, the cost of which would be shared by employers and their workers and would cover most Americans; an improved Medicare plan for senior citizens; and Assisted Health Insurance, which would cover the working poor and anyone else ineligible for the first two programs by having Federal and State governments paying those costs beyond their financial means.

Nixon created the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.

The Clean Air Act of 1970. Though he did veto the Clean Air Act of 1972 and even went so far as to defund major portions of the bill after his veto was overturned an the bill was passed.

He also created the Environmental Protection Agency.

Not bad for a man so reviled. Deservedly so.

Richard Nixon: The Social Liberal Of His Time

Nixon was a saint compared to the psychopathic miscreant inhabiting the WH now.

 

[bluesmoke]

Yes it is, but it's important to understand his views and how different they were than the policies he supported for ulterior motives.

But Trump was wrong. His premise not factual. The US National case numbers, as of March 18, 2020, 2:30 pm, were 7,327 cases of coronavirus confirmed by lab tests and 115 deaths when Trump said there were 15 cases.

I can argue more rationally my point to do with Nixon. I can argue, though perhaps there may be a "tie" or "by a nose" (no lips), that one species of tortoise is the fastest of all, given a study trial.

 

[Craig234]

Nixon was a saint compared to the psychopathic miscreant inhabiting the WH now.

No, he was not. That is wrong, and falsifies history. It's the same sort of behavior that will have people saying trump is a saint compared to someone they don't like in a while. They are both mentally ill, corrupt, dangerous, lying people. They have huge problems, that aren't quite the same, but neither deserves to be whitewashed.

 

[Jack2aTee]

No, he was not. That is wrong, and falsifies history. It's the same sort of behavior that will have people saying trump is a saint compared to someone they don't like in a while. They are both mentally ill, corrupt, dangerous, lying people. They have huge problems, that aren't quite the same, but neither deserves to be whitewashed.

Well, relatively speaking you're right. Nixon wasn't a saint. But comparatively speaking Nixon at least had the decency to resign rather than put the country through an impeachment. You think Trump would do that? Now Trump has said, "If we throw out the mail-in ballots....there won't be a transfer of power there will be a continuation." Trump is basically telling the American people he's going to invalidate all the mail-in ballots and declare himself the winner. You all should read a piece in the Atlantic that details exactly Trump's elaborate plan for retaining power by getting the Pennsylvania house and senate to dismiss all the electorates so that the house and senate can install Republican electorates that will cast their 41 ballots for Trump and put him over the top. 1984 has arrived.

The Election That Could Break America
If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?

The Election That Could Break America

If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Craig234]

Well, relatively speaking you're right. Nixon wasn't a saint. But comparatively speaking Nixon at least had the decency to resign rather than put the country through an impeachment. You think Trump would do that?

You're still whitewashing Nixon. Nixon's motive had NOTHING to do with the interests of the nation and not 'putting the country through an impeachment'. He had EVER intention of doing just that. It wasn't until his strongest supporters in the Senate came to him and told him he was guaranteed to be overwhelmingly convicted and removed, that he resigned for his OWN benefit.

That's wasn't trump's situation. He had a Senate that was Republican and very likely to vote FOR him, which it not only did, but it also prevented a 'fair trial' blocking all witnesses for the first time ever. Yes, I think if trump had been told by top Republicans he was certain to be convicted and removed, he'd probably have resigned for HIS benefit like Nixon did.

You all should read a piece in the Atlantic that details exactly Trump's elaborate plan for retaining power by getting the Pennsylvania house and senate to dismiss all the electorates so that the house and senate can install Republican electorates that will cast their 41 ballots for Trump and put him over the top.

Every time we turn around, that's what trump is actually doing as president.

Concocting these corrupt schemes for his own gain. From blocking military aid to Ukraine to get them to lie for him, to the Post Office sabotage mission, to hiring a person whose sole job is to find and fire anyone not loyal to trump personally in the government, and others, and now the one you just mentioned.

 

[Jack2aTee]

You're still whitewashing Nixon. Nixon's motive had NOTHING to do with the interests of the nation and not 'putting the country through an impeachment'. He had EVER intention of doing just that. It wasn't until his strongest supporters in the Senate came to him and told him he was guaranteed to be overwhelmingly convicted and removed, that he resigned for his OWN benefit.

That's wasn't trump's situation. He had a Senate that was Republican and very likely to vote FOR him, which it not only did, but it also prevented a 'fair trial' blocking all witnesses for the first time ever. Yes, I think if trump had been told by top Republicans he was certain to be convicted and removed, he'd probably have resigned for HIS benefit like Nixon did.

It's one of those things we'll never know. What I do know is that many people say Trump will make a power grab Nov 4. Nixon would never have done that. Read the article. You may think differently afterward when you see the incredibly complex plan Trump and his cronies have for usurping the election.

"Let us not hedge about one thing. Donald Trump may win or lose, but he will never concede."

 

[Craig234]

It's one of those things we'll never know. What I do know is that many people say Trump will make a power grab Nov 4. Nixon would never have done that.

Sigh. You're STILL whitewashing Nixon. Nixon did FAR WORSE: he literally committed treason to get LBJ's agreement to end the Vietnam war blocked in order to win his election, at a price of 25,000 Americans and maybe a million Vietnamese killed. He WOULD do that, what do you think Watergate was? His dirty tricks prevented the Democrats' nominating their best guy in 1972. But you're sure making my point about the importance of not whitewashing history.

 

[joluoto]

Nixon was a saint compared to the psychopathic miscreant inhabiting the WH now.

No, he really wasn't. Trump is terrible. But Nixon was another animal altogether.

 

[Jack2aTee]

No, he really wasn't. Trump is terrible. But Nixon was another animal altogether.

Lots of people don't know that Nixon didn't order Watergate; he just tried to cover it up. Nixon was a piker compared to the ghoul inhabiting the WH now.