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After last month's jobs report will you believe the administration if they try to tell you hundreds of thousands of new jobs were created next report?

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It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
 
It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
Why would I not? The Biden jobs report was adjusted by 1.5 million so you think they were doing a good job? To have the kinds of discrepancies we've seen indicates somebody hasn't been very good at their job. Maybe it's the person, maybe it's the process but heads roll when this stuff happens. You expect those of us on the right to believe the Biden administration about Joe's non decline and the world watched him go down, down, down. You think we ought to trust democrats and intelligence when it's clear the democrats and intelligence faked the Trump Russian Collusion hoax. The lied to the FISA court, they used 3rd hand "sources" in the Trump/Zelensky phone call related to Biden business. Selensky himself denied any pressure. The Durham annex clearly shows a conspiracy between Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Hillary and her team and even points to Obama as part of a plot to steal an election through lies and falsified "evidence". So who do I not believe. Democrats, it's clear they have meddled in the election process for decades and gotten away with criminal activity. Their weaponization of the DOJ, IRS, FBI is clear. Just two days ago BETO said, "no rules, we do what ever we have to to win, **** the rules". That's been their way of doing business for a long time.
Democrats refer to Trump and his supporters as NAZIS and FASCISTs, but look at what Hitler did, pointing fingers at the innocent, and those he wanted rid off, many were partners of his, at least for a while. Then he got rid of them. They accused the innoncent of the very crimes they were committing to steal power. That's exactly what we have seen democrats doing for at least 20 years...
It's Hitler's Big Lie. Trump was a democrat for years, and he socialized with all the democrats and contributed to their campaigns. When he decided to run for President as a Republican the smear campaign started in full. First is was just making jokes, then insults, then conspiracy, and on and on.
So if I have to chose, I chose Trump and the republicans because I know I can't trust the democrats. Maybe it's just the lesser of two evils, but at least I approve of most of Trumps policies.
 
Stop drinking the Kool aid. You have just repeated the same bullshit number the ass in the white house did the other day trying like hell to demonize the Democrats in order to try to deflect from trump's massively negative numbers. If the next report comes out saying he created 300,000 thousand jobs, will you believe that report?
 
There is no way the numbers will be trustworthy but I'm wondering just how he is going to fudge them. There are a lot of very experienced statisticians who pull these numbers together and they aren't going to lie. My question is he will shut it right down for awhile under the guise of modernization while he puts a Trump friendly " report " in place. Sorta like DHS did.....don't like the numbers don't report them. Trouble is it will drive the markets wild.
 
Why don't you just stop listening to the bullshit the democrats are feeding you. I've been saying their tactics were bullshit for a long time, even before the media began to doubt it. The democrats are dirty they are using the same methods Hitler used in the 1930's. Why don't you do a serious study of the crap your party is dishing out. That ring in your nose must be hurting by now.
 
The base will believe anything he tells them….
 
It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
President do-nothing is all talk on the hard stuff, and you can't trust any of it. If he would golf 10 percent less, maybe he would actually be able to do something about one of the issues.
 
There is no way the numbers will be trustworthy…
The moral of the story is that the numbers have never been trustworthy - which is why they are constantly revised. The BLS is not just wrong - always - it’s wrong by figures so far above standard deviation it would make your nose bleed. Trump sent the message that this is no longer acceptable and I support that.
 
To have the kinds of discrepancies we've seen indicates somebody hasn't been very good at their job.

Can you demonstrate how the calculations and data sources changed from Trump 1.0 to the Biden administration?

If the data sources and processes are the same, what accounts for the needed corrections? Are those corrections outliers with respect to our recent past?
 
The numbers have always been trustworthy which is the same as accurate. The monthly number is an estimate which is revised for two months following as more data comes in.
 
The numbers have always been trustworthy which is the same as accurate. The monthly number is an estimate which is revised for two months following as more data comes in.
If the numbers were trustworthy and the same as accurate then they wouldn’t require substantial revision. But they aren’t and they do - always. The BLS needs to be held accountable for the accuracy of its math and firing its head sends that message.
 
Trump sure didn't mind when the numbers were strong. Th8s is just like DHS .
..don't like the numbers don't report them
 
Trump sure didn't mind when the numbers were strong. Th8s is just like DHS .
..don't like the numbers don't report them
I don’t care what his motivation for doing the right thing is.
 
Nope. As others have said, I'll look elsewhere.
 
Why would I not? (believe Trump)
How about: "We're going to build a big beautiful wall on the southern border and Mexico will pay for it, believe me." Or "I'm going to end the Russia/Ukraine war in 24 hours."
Now, what you said would work if it was to do with something like: "I'm going to be a dictator on day one". Hope this helps.
Why don't you just stop listening to the bullshit the democrats are feeding you.
Way too rich, I'm watching my cholesterol.
 
I don’t care what his motivation for doing the right thing is.
He did not do the right thing. The right thing was to sit down with her and understand the process then perhaps look at modernization. This woman is talented,competent and well respected. Now he has installed a lackey who will do his bidding
 
He did not do the right thing. The right thing was to sit down with her and understand the process then perhaps look at modernization. This woman is talented,competent and well respected. Now he has installed a lackey who will do his bidding
Holding the BLS accountable for its persistently bad math is the right thing to do. There’s no way for you to spin your way out of that.
 
Holding the BLS accountable for its persistently bad math is the right thing to do. There’s no way for you to spin your way out of that.
It has nothing to do with bad math.
 
It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
Did you believe 4 years of inaccurate jobs reports during the Biden Administration?
 
It has nothing to do with bad math.
Sure it does. That’s all the BLS does is math and it’s persistently gross overestimation of job growth under Erika McEntarfer probably has a lot to do with the fact that she slashed the sample size of surveyed households.
 
Did you believe 4 years of inaccurate jobs reports during the Biden Administration?

Care to take a shot?


 
It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
I do not believe anything the occupiers are saying.
 
It's almost a certainty that whoever trump puts in charge of the bureau of labor and statistics will report huge jobs gains? The question is will anyone who is not a trump supporter believe him?
Of course not. We still have the ADP report to level set what we will be hearing.

.... yes, to Donald, anything that does not feed his ego or confirm is ignorant impressions is unacceptable ....

Did you believe 4 years of inaccurate jobs reports during the Biden Administration?
We did not get 4 years of inaccurate job numbers.

Do you understand how the information is gathered? I was on the other end of it for 5 years when I owned my own business. In other words, I was a surveyed employer. The information gathering requires employer participation and timely response. As an employer, it was not always a priority for me, so I was not always timely in response.

The adjustments largely deal with early reporting on insufficient data and then getting more accurate information late. I understand this timely reporting by employers has gotten worse AND BLS resources are stretched thin.


Of course, the peanut gallery of DP has to react based upon ill-informed impressions resulting in yet more ignorant drivel.
 
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