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Advocates on Racist Names

Change all the names deemed offensive

  • Nope that's not the answer

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • Yep, it's about time

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • It doesn't really matter

    Votes: 5 33.3%

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-- Bugs, birds, fish and plants with names linked to white supremacists may be renamed, as science confronts its own ties to systemic racism.

"We know that changing bird names is not going to fix racism as much as I wish it would. But we're working on removing this one brick, that is part of this huge thing we need to deal with," Jordan Rutter, a co-founder of Bird Names for Birds, told Axios.



Is this being socially sensitive or a little absurd?

Being "woke" to me is beginning to become the author of confusion and self-congratulatory, political correctness, not anything meaningfully constructive. If I thought changing the names of bugs, birds, fish, plants, sports teams, etc would really accomplish anything, I'd support it. But you can't alter or erase past mistakes by whitewashing the present.

Current and active acts of prejudice and racism should be addressed but we need reminders of our past in order not to repeat those mistakes. US history is a mixture of a rich and diverse culture where some pejorative names were used, and historical figures committed atrocious offenses and were less than enlightened. Let the past be the past and focus our energies on fixing today's real problems, like police using excessive force, immigration, voting, infrastructure, pandemic measures, etc.
 

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-- Bugs, birds, fish and plants with names linked to white supremacists may be renamed, as science confronts its own ties to systemic racism.

"We know that changing bird names is not going to fix racism as much as I wish it would. But we're working on removing this one brick, that is part of this huge thing we need to deal with," Jordan Rutter, a co-founder of Bird Names for Birds, told Axios.



Is this being socially sensitive or a little absurd?

Being "woke" to me is beginning to become the author of confusion and self-congratulatory, political correctness, not anything meaningfully constructive. If I thought changing the names of bugs, birds, fish, plants, sports teams, etc would really accomplish anything, I'd support it. But you can't alter or erase past mistakes by whitewashing the present.

Current and active acts of prejudice and racism should be addressed but we need reminders of our past in order not to repeat those mistakes. US history is a mixture of a rich and diverse culture where some pejorative names were used, and historical figures committed atrocious offenses and were less than enlightened. Let the past be the past and focus our energies on fixing today's real problems, like police using excessive force, immigration, voting, infrastructure, pandemic measures, etc.

Filling a pothole doesn't end car crash fatalities but you should still do it.

Nobody is arguing this wild ass garbage you're complaining about. Nobody thinks this ends racism. Nobody thinks this is some grand accomplishment. There's no reason not to do it. "But police brutality still exists!" So what? What the **** do you want the American Ornithological Society to do about police brutality?

There are children starving in Africa, why are you worried about immigration? Stop all efforts towards border security, bigger problems in the universe exist, right? Or, is it just maybe possible that a society of three hundred million people can work on more than one issue at a time?
 

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What a well thought out response.
Fine, you want a well thought-out response, here you go:

No, the Entomological Whatever Society didn't solve racism by renaming the gypsy moth.
 

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"we have to keep using racial slurs or else we'll never stop being racist!"

Hilarious
 

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Filling a pothole doesn't end car crash fatalities but you should still do it.

Nobody is arguing this wild ass garbage you're complaining about. Nobody thinks this ends racism. Nobody thinks this is some grand accomplishment. There's no reason not to do it. "But police brutality still exists!" So what? What the **** do you want the American Ornithological Society to do about police brutality?

There are children starving in Africa, why are you worried about immigration? Stop all efforts towards border security, bigger problems in the universe exist, right? Or, is it just maybe possible that a society of three hundred million people can work on more than one issue at a time?


Your weird and disjointed answer and accusatory remarks show how stupid renaming is. You want us to pop pimples while the patient needs surgery. Fix the bigger problems, then you'll know how to address the little issues. Or are priorities too difficult a concept to grasp?
 

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Your weird and disjointed answer and accusatory remarks show how stupid renaming is. You want us to pop pimples while the patient needs surgery. Fix the bigger problems, then you'll know how to address the little issues. Or are priorities too difficult a concept to grasp?

What it does is illustrate how stupid your "priorities" remark is.

Nothing stops us from fixing the bigger problems and the smaller problems at the same time. Renaming a bird doesn't stop us from dealing with police reform. Actually, it's people like you who are stopping us from that...
 

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What it does is illustrate how stupid your "priorities" remark is.

Nothing stops us from fixing the bigger problems and the smaller problems at the same time. Renaming a bird doesn't stop us from dealing with police reform. Actually, it's people like you who are stopping us from that...

And what does renaming a bird accomplish?
 

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Which was negatively affecting...?

Can't something be a good idea on its own merits? Do you want to use a racial slur when you talk about the bird or do you want to use a normal ass word?

There's no reason to compare renaming a bird to ending world hunger. These are not ideas coming from the same pool of resources. Renaming the bird doesn't stop you from ending world hunger. Pretending that the ****ing bird is an obstacle to ending police brutality is dishonest, you're harping on this because you don't want to end police brutality
 
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Clown car hyper "woke" liberalism strikes again.
 

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Can't something be a good idea on its own merits? Do you want to use a racial slur when you talk about the bird or do you want to use a normal ass word?

There's no reason to compare renaming a bird to ending world hunger. These are not ideas coming from the same pool of resources. Renaming the bird doesn't stop you from ending world hunger. Pretending that the ****ing bird is an obstacle to ending police brutality is dishonest, you're harping on this because you don't want to end police brutality

Gypsies call themselves proudly by that name. Most of the names they want to change are innocuous. Pretending that the ****ing bird is an obstacle to ending racism is a joke, it fixes nothing but your need for control.
 

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Pretending that the ****ing bird is an obstacle to ending racism is a joke,

Yeah, it's your joke. Nobody is pretending that. You're whining about an argument nobody is making. That's sad.
 

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Of course it’s absurd. Just another effort by deranged white people desperate to virtue signal by renaming things 99% of people have probably never even heard of.
 

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Filling a pothole doesn't end car crash fatalities but you should still do it.

Nobody is arguing this wild ass garbage you're complaining about. Nobody thinks this ends racism. Nobody thinks this is some grand accomplishment. There's no reason not to do it. "But police brutality still exists!" So what? What the **** do you want the American Ornithological Society to do about police brutality?

There are children starving in Africa, why are you worried about immigration? Stop all efforts towards border security, bigger problems in the universe exist, right? Or, is it just maybe possible that a society of three hundred million people can work on more than one issue at a time?
You will never change all names deemed offensive to someone. Even if you do those easily offended will just find new names to be offended by.
 

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Credit where credit is due...whoever wrote that article tried their best with the "Why It Matters" section. If I was writing it, the entirety of that section would say "lol it doesn't."
 

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-- Bugs, birds, fish and plants with names linked to white supremacists may be renamed, as science confronts its own ties to systemic racism.

"We know that changing bird names is not going to fix racism as much as I wish it would. But we're working on removing this one brick, that is part of this huge thing we need to deal with," Jordan Rutter, a co-founder of Bird Names for Birds, told Axios.



Is this being socially sensitive or a little absurd?

Being "woke" to me is beginning to become the author of confusion and self-congratulatory, political correctness, not anything meaningfully constructive. If I thought changing the names of bugs, birds, fish, plants, sports teams, etc would really accomplish anything, I'd support it. But you can't alter or erase past mistakes by whitewashing the present.

Current and active acts of prejudice and racism should be addressed but we need reminders of our past in order not to repeat those mistakes. US history is a mixture of a rich and diverse culture where some pejorative names were used, and historical figures committed atrocious offenses and were less than enlightened. Let the past be the past and focus our energies on fixing today's real problems, like police using excessive force, immigration, voting, infrastructure, pandemic measures, etc.

What a well thought out response.

Your weird and disjointed answer and accusatory remarks show how stupid renaming is. You want us to pop pimples while the patient needs surgery. Fix the bigger problems, then you'll know how to address the little issues. Or are priorities too difficult a concept to grasp?

And what does renaming a bird accomplish?

Which was negatively affecting...?

Gypsies call themselves proudly by that name. Most of the names they want to change are innocuous. Pretending that the ****ing bird is an obstacle to ending racism is a joke, it fixes nothing but your need for control.

What a long-winded way of saying you don't like the changes!
 
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