Advocates: High court signals it won't stop $15 minimum wage[W:71]

[apdst]

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Ok, just don't complain about social welfare programs and you'll be entitled that point of view. Out of curiosity, do you give your patronage to small local/family owned businesses or to the big box retail chains and franchises? As for the permanence, ask former business owners how permanent the loss of their business to Walmart is.

If someone isn't making enough money, he should learn a trade that is worth more than minimum wage.

Government enforced minimum wage is no different than welfare.

 

[danarhea]

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This is correct. We've seen far too much judicial legislating recently. It's good that they are restraining themselves for once. The correct minimum wage is a matter for legislatures to decide.

Regarding the wage itself, the problem is that (eventually, I get that it takes a while) prices will increase and then the process will have to repeat.

If we want minimum wage to actually do anything long term, we need price maximums.

The Soviet Union already tried that. it didn't work.

 

[apdst]

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We're basically already in that scenario.

And you want to insure that that scenario is set in concrete and use the government to do it.

 

[jimbo]

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if you cannot afford to pay employees a living wage then you cannot afford to own a business. Period. Any claim that franchise owners cannot afford it is highly, highly suspect. They had the millions to open it. No excuses for not paying living wages. Mom and pop business might illicit some pity, but again, business owners have an obligation to compensate their employees instead of relying on the State to do it for them no matter their size. The fact is that the prices of their products have, at minimum, kept pace with inflation so they should not be permitted to increase profits further by keeping wages depressed, which is exactly what's been going on for years.

Do you not understand that my net worth has nothing whatever to do with the value of your labor?

 

[apdst]

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The Soviet Union already tried that. it didn't work.

The Soviets tried paying everyone the same amount, too.

 

[Carjosse]

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Oh, right...raise wages, raise prices, raise wages, raise prices. Where does that end? Maybe we should ask the Weimar Republic? Or, Venezuela?

All you're going to do is create a scenario where only the super rich can survive.

Prices increase on their own in a growing economy, inflation is just natural. The whole point of a minimum wage increase is that the wage increases more than prices which is what currently happens. Wages may increase say 32% but prices may only increase 3% and that only affects prices in industries that are affected. In the grand scheme of things the inflation caused by it would probably like 0.02% or something like that.

 

[apdst]

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Prices increase on their own in a growing economy, inflation is just natural. The whole point of a minimum wage increase is that the wage increases more than prices which is what currently happens. Wages may increase say 32% but prices may only increase 3% and that only affects prices in industries that are affected. In the grand scheme of things the inflation caused by it would probably like 0.02% or something like that.

That's what the commies said. How'd that work out?

 

[danarhea]

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Exactly how is McDonalds, who pays market wage and pays their taxes on time, stealing money from the taxpayers?

McDonalds has nothing to with distribution of food stamps.

Of course they do. They do not pay a living wage, and have actually been caught advising their employees to go on food stamps. Instead of paying a living wage, they want the government to foot the bill.

Oh yea, McDonald's has a LOT to do with the distribution of foods stamps in order to keep from paying their employees a living wage. Who pays part of the wages of McDonald's workers? We, the taxpayer do.

 

[Carjosse]

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That's what the commies said. How'd that work out?

It is how the US has been operating for decades now, as well as the rest of developed and industrializing world. Deflation is actually really bad for your economy as it leads to economic stagnation like Japan. It is basic economics, it was literally the first thing I was taught in economics classes.

 

[TOJ]

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I love it.

We have created a whole new division to produce controls for robotic systems and cannot keep up with the demand. The downside is that the good taxpayers of the USA are going to be paying for a lot of unemployable folks in the not too distant future.

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[Napoleon]

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If someone isn't making enough money, he should learn a trade that is worth more than minimum wage. Government enforced minimum wage is no different than welfare.

Its really a matter of people waking up and knowing their own worth as generators of fortunes for others. Want to pay employees starvation wages? Ok, they can stop earning money for you altogether and you can continue footing the bill for their social welfare benefits until you're beside them in the breadline. Government enforced minimum wage wouldn't be necessary if those with the means could be trusted not to abuse their privilege but alas, the working conditions before said interference and now in countries in which they can get away with it is no great secret

 

[apdst]

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Its really a matter of people waking up and knowing their own worth as generators of fortunes for others. Want to pay employees starvation wages? Ok, they can stop earning money for you altogether and you can continue footing the bill for their social welfare benefits until you're beside them in the breadline. Government enforced minimum wage wouldn't be necessary if those with the means could be trusted not to abuse their privilege but alas, the working conditions before said interference and now in countries in which they can get away with it is no great secret

That's exactly, right. They can leave, get a better paying job And let supply and demand do it's thing. That's how it's supposed to work.

 

[jimbo]

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Of course they do. They do not pay a living wage, and have actually been caught advising their employees to go on food stamps. Instead of paying a living wage, they want the government to foot the bill.

Oh yea, McDonald's has a LOT to do with the distribution of foods stamps in order to keep from paying their employees a living wage. Who pays part of the wages of McDonald's workers? We, the taxpayer do.

Last I heard, McDonalds has not collected or issued food stamps. Strictly a deal between the government and the recipient. The bill being footed by the taxpayer.

You want to stop McDonald employees from getting food stamps, stop government from issuing food stamps to Micky D's employees.

 

[Napoleon]

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That's exactly, right. They can leave, get a better paying job And let supply and demand do it's thing. That's how it's supposed to work.

Or they can just destroy your business, which is really the only thing business owners respond to.

 

[apdst]

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Or they can just destroy your business, which is really the only thing business owners respond to.

Highly doubtful that will happen. Only Liberals would see that as a good thing...lol

How do you like a world where only the super rich can survive? I think it sucks.

 

[danarhea]

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Last I heard, McDonalds has not collected or issued food stamps. Strictly a deal between the government and the recipient. The bill being footed by the taxpayer.

You want to stop McDonald employees from getting food stamps, stop government from issuing food stamps to Micky D's employees.

Looks like this went way, way over your head. It's past the moon now, as far as you are concerned.

This issue here is companies paying a living wage. When they don't pay a living wage, then their employees have to get food stamps, which are paid for by us, the taxpayers. As I have already shown, McDonald's has been caught telling their employees to go on food stamps. What they are doing is getting the government to subsidize part of their employees wages. And, when people go on food stamps because their employers tell them to instead of paying them a living wage, that of course has a lot to do with the amount of food stamps that are allocated.

Your argument is hilarious. You claim that McDonald's has nothing to do with their employees going on food stamps because McDonald's doesn't issue food stamps. You completely ignore McDonald's telling their employees to go on food stamps, which IS THE REASON McDonald's has a lot to do with their employees getting food stamps. I have an eight year old grand-niece who understands that simple concept.

 

[Paleocon]

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The Soviet Union already tried that. it didn't work.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

 

[jimbo]

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Looks like this went way, way over your head. It's past the moon now, as far as you are concerned.

This issue here is companies paying a living wage. When they don't pay a living wage, then their employees have to get food stamps, which are paid for by us, the taxpayers. As I have already shown, McDonald's has been caught telling their employees to go on food stamps. What they are doing is getting the government to subsidize part of their employees wages. And, when people go on food stamps because their employers tell them to instead of paying them a living wage, that of course has a lot to do with the amount of food stamps that are allocated.

Your argument is hilarious. You claim that McDonald's has nothing to do with their employees going on food stamps because McDonald's doesn't issue food stamps. You completely ignore McDonald's telling their employees to go on food stamps, which IS THE REASON McDonald's has a lot to do with their employees getting food stamps. I have an eight year old grand-niece who understands that simple concept.

Companies are not obligated to pay your definition of a living wage, companies pay a market wage. Defined as the wage required to adequately staff the company with qualified personnel. It's just not the obligation of business to deal with social issues.

Employees don't have to get food stamps, employees possibly can get food stamps. Again, MD's does not set the standards for food stamp qualification. MD's may or may not tell their employees to apply. Either way, so what? It's still a government problem. The fact that MD's has to teach their employees basic government is a clear indication of why they are not getting more money.

I feel sorry for your 8 YO. Eight is far too young to believe in liberalism.

 

[ajn678]

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Companies are not obligated to pay your definition of a living wage, companies pay a market wage. Defined as the wage required to adequately staff the company with qualified personnel. It's just not the obligation of business to deal with social issues.

Employees don't have to get food stamps, employees possibly can get food stamps. Again, MD's does not set the standards for food stamp qualification. MD's may or may not tell their employees to apply. Either way, so what? It's still a government problem. The fact that MD's has to teach their employees basic government is a clear indication of why they are not getting more money.

I feel sorry for your 8 YO. Eight is far too young to believe in liberalism.

If companies could, they would pay China wages to American workers. This has nothing to do with market value for wages. It has to do with the fact that McDonald's and other large corporations allows the taxpayers to pick up a large percentage of what they should be paying their employees. This needs to stop. The employee should be paid well enough that they don't need to rely on the government in order to eat. There are always going to be people at the bottom of the economic ladder. To simply say laugh at them and tell them to try harder does nothing to fix the problems that come when people are in the utter depths of poverty and a hopeless future.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Agreed.

To the less knowledgeable and near sighted folks:
Remember when McDonalds was a job for the youngsters to learn some responsibility? Since when has it become a career? It isn't McDonalds fault either, it's the economy. Wages have been flat forever and cost of living keeps going up. What do you expect is going to happen? This will create fewer jobs though, so kudos to the people supporting this, you can't see two feet in front of your face. I see robots and kiosks coming to the McDonalds near you! Menial low paying jobs aren't worth $15 an hour, so now innovation and jobs reductions are coming in. Why do you think everything is made overseas now? American labor rates are far higher than Every other country.

Yeah, I remember that time. It was a time when we had far more factories in the US than there is currently. All them factory jobs leaving...the jobs that were lost had to go somewhere.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Moderator's Warning:

This is not an acceptable response. Do not do this again. I feel sorry for your 8 YO. Eight is far too young to believe in liberalism.

 

[Taylor]

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The employee should be paid well enough that they don't need to rely on the government in order to eat.

Then the employee should develop a skill that's worth $15.00/hr.

 

[jimbo]

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If companies could, they would pay China wages to American workers. This has nothing to do with market value for wages. It has to do with the fact that McDonald's and other large corporations allows the taxpayers to pick up a large percentage of what they should be paying their employees. This needs to stop. The employee should be paid well enough that they don't need to rely on the government in order to eat. There are always going to be people at the bottom of the economic ladder. To simply say laugh at them and tell them to try harder does nothing to fix the problems that come when people are in the utter depths of poverty and a hopeless future.

It has everything to do with market wages.

 

[ajn678]

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Then the employee should develop a skill that's worth $15.00/hr.

Well then we have a fundamentally different view on how the minimum wage should be handled in the country. And nothing either of us say is going to change that.

 

[ajn678]

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It has everything to do with market wages.

No it doesn't. If the majority of the uneducated low skilled jobs are now in the service industry such as fast food, we need to address that. We can't just continue to simply allow these companies to take advantage of a person's desperation to not be on the street.