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Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright

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Son of a BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :badpc:

As Republican members of Congress press for changes to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, preventing automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants, opponents insist the debate is not really about babies.

Instead, they say it is about politics and votes – not fixing the immigration system.
Still, the debate could resonate in Texas, where not only 1.5 million illegal immigrants are estimated to reside but at least 60,000 babies are added to their households annually.
Parkland Memorial Hospital delivers more of those babies than any other hospital in the state. Last year at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally.
State Rep. Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas, accused Republicans of using the births to generate an explosive election issue.

"They're pulling the pin on the immigration grenade," he said. "It's all about the November elections and continuing to use the immigration issue as a wedge to win votes this fall."

CONTINUED: Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News
 

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I'll respond.

I think your State Rep. is correct. You see, it's not as if the illegal immigration or "anchor baby" argument is new. Both have been problems in this country for years. The ONLY reason this has suddenly become such a hot button issue is because of:

1. questions surrounding the President's birth (all debunked).

2. questions initially concerning whether or not illegals would be allowed to participate in the gov't health insurance exchange or receive affordable credits for same.

3. questions surrounding AZ's illegal immigration law.

If none of this issue weren't made to be such hot button topics by the GOP, they wouldn't be such hot botton topics before the November elections. But I digress...

I do think the issue of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal aliens is an issue worth discussing, and I am in favor of changing the 14th Amendment to eliminate the "anchor baby" issue, but anyone who can't see that the citizenship issue is only being used by the GOP as a political mechanism purposely intended to stir up people's anger prior to the November elections is just blind! If this were truly a concern for the GOP, they'd have done something about it years ago especially in the wake of 9/11 when concern for securing our nation's boarders was at its highest! That's what I think is so screwed up about this issue. It should have been dealt with long ago. But now all of a sudden it's become this all so important issue w/the GOP. So, let's call it what it is...

A legitimate concern, but trumped up to stir votes in the GOP's favor. Put another way...

If illegal immigration is such a major bone of contension w/the GOP, why hasn't any Republican politican made his proposal on immigration reform public? Has any one from the GOP put forth an immigration reform bill before the House or the Senate? Or are they waiting to see what the Democrats do first so they can rub their faces in it?

Same on political games, folks. Again, it IS an area of concern that does need to be fixed, but don't be fooled into thinking this is something new. Every President since Reagon has had a chance to deal with the illegal immigration issue, but they've all ignored it...until now. And the reasons why are so obvious Stevie Wonder can even see it!
 
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So because we Texans actually respect our heritage, and the constitution of America your mad at us? Why? Because for me being Texan means that we are people from many lands including Mexico. If that not good enough for you how about the Mexicans who fought, and died with people like Williams Travis, and Jim Bowie at the Alamo, or Golaid?


I mean its not like Texas was ever part of Mexico. / end of major sarcasm
 
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I'll respond.

I think your State Rep. is correct. You see, it's not as if the illegal immigration or "anchor baby" argument is new. Both have been problems in this country for years. The ONLY reason this has suddenly become such a hot button issue is because of:

1. questions surrounding the President's birth (all debunked).

2. questions initially concerning whether or not illegals would be allowed to participate in the gov't health insurance exchange or receive affordable credits for same.

3. questions surrounding AZ's illegal immigration law.

If none of this issue weren't made to be such hot button topics by the GOP, they wouldn't be such hot botton topics before the November elections. But I digress...

I do think the issue of granting U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal aliens is an issue worth discussing, and I am in favor of changing the 14th Amendment to eliminate the "anchor baby" issue, but anyone who can't see that the citizenship issue is only being used by the GOP as a political mechanism purposely intended to stir up people's anger prior to the November elections is just blind! If this were truly a concern for the GOP, they'd have done something about it years ago especially in the wake of 9/11 when concern for securing our nation's boarders was at its highest! That's what I think is so screwed up about this issue. It should have been dealt with long ago. But now all of a sudden it's become this all so important issue w/the GOP. So, let's call it what it is...

A legitimate concern, but trumped up to stir votes in the GOP's favor. Put another way...

If illegal immigration is such a major bone of contension w/the GOP, why hasn't any Republican politican made his proposal on immigration reform public? Has any one from the GOP put forth an immigration reform bill before the House or the Senate? Or are they waiting to see what the Democrats do first so they can rub their faces in it?

Same on political games, folks. Again, it IS an area of concern that does need to be fixed, but don't be fooled into thinking this is something new. Every President since Reagon had a chance to deal with the illegal immigration issue, but they've all ignored it...until now. And the reasons why are so obvious Stevie Wonder can even see it!
And the GOP is going to slap the Dems with this and unemployment and spending and national debt, and voting for bills that haven’t been read and suing States over enforcing laws that the fed won't and forcing people to buy a product they don't want and..... get the idea? All of the liberal sins are going to be harped on day after day after day after day…. :lamo
 

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So because we Texans actually respect our heritage, and the constitution of America your mad at us? Why? Because for me being Texan means that we are people from many lands including Mexico. If that not good enough for you how about the Mexicans who fought, and died with people like Williams Travis, and Jim Bowie at the Alamo, or Golaid?


I mean its not like Texas was ever part of Mexico. / end of major sarcasm
So you are good to go with illegal aliens invading your State and dropping 60,000 new citizens on your welfare rolls each year?

Travis and Bowie would be real proud of you. [/sarcasm]
 

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As Republican members of Congress press for changes to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, preventing automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants, opponents insist the debate is not really about babies. >>

Of course it's about politics, gotcha politics. Everything politicians debate is politics and getting elected. That's all they know. Common sense is definitely not part of their job classification, only resonate accusations, turmoil, blind side attacks, and gotchas.

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And the GOP is going to slap the Dems with this and unemployment and spending and national debt, and voting for bills that haven’t been read and suing States over enforcing laws that the fed won't and forcing people to buy a product they don't want and..... get the idea? All of the liberal sins are going to be harped on day after day after day after day…. :lamo
Of course the facts don't add up to the accusations:

Deportation numbers up under Obama compared to predecessor | obama, immigration, administration - Now - TheMonitor.com

PolitiFact | U.S. has more border patrol agents on the border with Mexico than ever, but debate goes on

Republicans did dick about immigration because they're corporate owners want the cheapest labor they can get.

The whole 14th-Amendment thing is the same as amending the Constitution to ban gay marriage.

It's talk to rile up the base. Nothing more. Andy you lap it up like delicious, delicious jam.

Never mind that during the years Repubicans had control, median income dropped by $324. Median income rose as did poverty in 2007; 2000s have been extremely weak for living standards of most households

And that during that time, worker productivity rose an average of 2.5% per year. So, the workers were more productive, GDP grew during most of that time. So where did the money go that people worked hard for? Why did the Bush SEC ignore complaints about Madoff at least five times? SEC Didn't Act on Madoff Tips - washingtonpost.com

But, let's talk about the changing the 14th Amendment WHILE we block the jobs creation bill with a fillibuster.
Say What?! Republicans Filibuster Tax-Cutting Jobs Bill | TPMDC

I have no particular love for the Democratic party - especially under its current legislative leadership - but going back to Republicans is (and I've used this metaphor before) is like going back to the abusive husband because the battered wives shelter isn't pretty enough.
 

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Of course the facts don't add up to the accusations:

Deportation numbers up under Obama compared to predecessor | obama, immigration, administration - Now - TheMonitor.com

PolitiFact | U.S. has more border patrol agents on the border with Mexico than ever, but debate goes on

Republicans did dick about immigration because they're corporate owners want the cheapest labor they can get.

The whole 14th-Amendment thing is the same as amending the Constitution to ban gay marriage.

It's talk to rile up the base. Nothing more. Andy you lap it up like delicious, delicious jam.

Never mind that during the years Repubicans had control, median income dropped by $324. Median income rose as did poverty in 2007; 2000s have been extremely weak for living standards of most households

And that during that time, worker productivity rose an average of 2.5% per year. So, the workers were more productive, GDP grew during most of that time. So where did the money go that people worked hard for? Why did the Bush SEC ignore complaints about Madoff at least five times? SEC Didn't Act on Madoff Tips - washingtonpost.com

But, let's talk about the changing the 14th Amendment WHILE we block the jobs creation bill with a fillibuster.
Say What?! Republicans Filibuster Tax-Cutting Jobs Bill | TPMDC

I have no particular love for the Democratic party - especially under its current legislative leadership - but going back to Republicans is (and I've used this metaphor before) is like going back to the abusive husband because the battered wives shelter isn't pretty enough.
And the GOP is going to slap the Dems with not securing the border and unemployment and spending and national debt, and voting for bills that haven’t been read and suing States over enforcing laws that the fed won't and forcing people to buy a product they don't want and..... get the idea? All of the liberal sins are going to be harped on day after day after day after day…. :lamo
 
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I have just one question:

Why are you blaming the Constitution, or blaming the illegals, when the real blame lies with those employers who hire them, so that they can save a buck? I see a lot of people calling the Liberals anti-American for taking the stance they are taking, but why aren't those same people even more outraged at those employers who exploit the illegal aliens for profit, thus giving them a home in the United States? If it wasn't for the employers, there would be absolutely no reason for illegal aliens to come here, and there would be absolutely no reason to want to change the Constitution.

Put the blame for illegal aliens where it belongs - On the enablers of illegal aliens, otherwise known as the employers who hire them.
 

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FilmFest,

That's exactly the kind of stuff I was referring to. Illegal immigration didn't become a problem until some choose to "see it as a political issue", not a real problem to tackle because if it truly was about securing the boarders or anchor babies the GOP would have addressed the problem a long time ago.

Now, to be fair BOTH PARTIES are at fault because on the one hand, Republicans are just trying to drum up votes on the hate, anger and frustration tip, but Democrats are just as to blame because they see Hispanics as a strong voting block. As such, they tend to lean moreso on the side of "righteous, moral convictions" rather than "just do the right thing and secure the boards and deport those who are here illegally." Problem is, the "illegals" Republicans are going after never flew a commercial jet into our tallest buildings, they didn't attempt to blow up our subways and didn't try to plant a bomb in their shoe over the Christmas holiday.

So, if you're really gonna go after illegals in this country, why not go after ALL OF THEM! Especially those who have tried and are STILL TRYING to do this country harm?

It just makes sense to me. But again, I understand the issue. I just think Republicans are being very disengenuine about it....moreso than their Democrat counterparts.
 

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Repeat the same BS and in time you start to believe it...

Even if it isn't true...

I just sounds so good floating around in your head you just have to repeat it.

(Pssst...got news for you...that's the sound of insanity you're listening to.)
 

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FilmFest,

That's exactly the kind of stuff I was referring to. Illegal immigration didn't become a problem until some choose to "see it as a political issue", not a real problem to tackle because if it truly was about securing the boarders or anchor babies the GOP would have addressed the problem a long time ago.

Now, to be fair BOTH PARTIES are at fault because on the one hand, Republicans are just trying to drum up votes on the hate, anger and frustration tip, but Democrats are just as to blame because they see Hispanics as a strong voting block. As such, they tend to lean moreso on the side of "righteous, moral convictions" rather than "just do the right thing and secure the boards and deport those who are here illegally." Problem is, the "illegals" Republicans are going after never flew a commercial jet into our tallest buildings, they didn't attempt to blow up our subways and didn't try to plant a bomb in their shoe over the Christmas holiday.

So, if you're really gonna go after illegals in this country, why not go after ALL OF THEM! Especially those who have tried and are STILL TRYING to do this country harm?

It just makes sense to me. But again, I understand the issue. I just think Republicans are being very disengenuine about it....moreso than their Democrat counterparts.
What you don't seem to understand is that all is fair in love, war, and politics...... and we are going to use everything we can to make the landslide in 2010 and 2012 as big as possible.....and Barry didn’t help your cause one bit by taking Arizona to court over their attempt to slow the illegal invasion down…. Thanx Barry. :lamo
 

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What you don't seem to understand is that all is fair in love, war, and politics...... and we are going to use everything we can to make the landslide in 2010 and 2012 as big as possible.....and Barry didn’t help your cause one bit by taking Arizona to court over their attempt to slow the illegal invasion down…. Thanx Barry. :lamo
But it means - as Republicans seem to really enjoy doing - that you're ignoring facts; blocking bills that will create jobs; all for the sake of power - so we can return to the party whose policies created massive income gaps which led to the recession in the first place.

A new metaphor: you'd rather have the people who f'ed things up instead of the one's who aren't fixing it quickly enough?
 

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Heck even China is getting into the business. Services can be purchased to get expecting moms into the US to have the baby. Bingo another American citizen with non US parents. U.S. passport for baby remains a powerful lure
Only if actual intent can be proved. Most estranged foreigners don't know anything about US laws. They're just glad to be here. Taking care of new babies is just an added burden. Even if the baby is an instant citizen there is no advantage because if the parents are sent back they have the choice of taking the baby with them, or leaving it here for adoption.

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I have just one question:

Why are you blaming the Constitution, or blaming the illegals, when the real blame lies with those employers who hire them, so that they can save a buck? I see a lot of people calling the Liberals anti-American for taking the stance they are taking, but why aren't those same people even more outraged at those employers who exploit the illegal aliens for profit, thus giving them a home in the United States? If it wasn't for the employers, there would be absolutely no reason for illegal aliens to come here, and there would be absolutely no reason to want to change the Constitution.

Put the blame for illegal aliens where it belongs - On the enablers of illegal aliens, otherwise known as the employers who hire them.
If Congress puts the blame on big business, they'll lose those fat envelopes they get for their election money chest, and the more money they spend the more chance to get re-elected.

Bottom line... It all comes down to survival politics.

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FilmFest,

Illegal immigration didn't become a problem until some choose to "see it as a political issue"
Same thing with the welfare political issue. It was demonized as a handout for deadbeat dads and welfare moms. It was a slam dunk and probably got Reagan elected, because the poor and needy have no lobby or representation of any kind.

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So you are good to go with illegal aliens invading your State and dropping 60,000 new citizens on your welfare rolls each year?
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In addition to employers luring these people here, the Welfare system contributes to the problem. Illegal immigration isnt as simple as kicking all the illegals out but also killing all the socialist entitlement programs.
 

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I have just one question:

Why are you blaming the Constitution, or blaming the illegals, when the real blame lies with those employers who hire them, so that they can save a buck? I see a lot of people calling the Liberals anti-American for taking the stance they are taking, but why aren't those same people even more outraged at those employers who exploit the illegal aliens for profit, thus giving them a home in the United States? If it wasn't for the employers, there would be absolutely no reason for illegal aliens to come here, and there would be absolutely no reason to want to change the Constitution.

Put the blame for illegal aliens where it belongs - On the enablers of illegal aliens, otherwise known as the employers who hire them.
AZ past a law in 2008 targeting employers of illegals. Janet N. signed it when she was the gov. Guess who is suing AZ over the employer sanction law (Obama's AG). I agree that employers need to be targeted. Seems the Feds want to tie Arizona hands.
 

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Son of a BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :badpc:

Instead, they say it is about politics and votes – not fixing the immigration system.
Politics and votes?

So, 18 years from now those who support this will lose 60,000 votes...??
 

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And the GOP is going to slap the Dems with this and unemployment and spending and national debt, and voting for bills that haven’t been read and suing States over enforcing laws that the fed won't and forcing people to buy a product they don't want and..... get the idea? All of the liberal sins are going to be harped on day after day after day after day…. :lamo
Republicans will talk about anyone's shortcomings provided it helps them put off addressing their own for another couple decades.

Politics and votes?

So, 18 years from now those who support this will lose 60,000 votes...??
Hispanic voters form a sizeable bloc, and they tend to support a laidback immigration policy.
 
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Son of a BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :badpc:

As Republican members of Congress press for changes to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, preventing automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants, opponents insist the debate is not really about babies.

Instead, they say it is about politics and votes – not fixing the immigration system.
Still, the debate could resonate in Texas, where not only 1.5 million illegal immigrants are estimated to reside but at least 60,000 babies are added to their households annually.
Parkland Memorial Hospital delivers more of those babies than any other hospital in the state. Last year at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally.
State Rep. Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas, accused Republicans of using the births to generate an explosive election issue.

"They're pulling the pin on the immigration grenade," he said. "It's all about the November elections and continuing to use the immigration issue as a wedge to win votes this fall."

CONTINUED: Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News
If Texas can have an economic benefit from sharing a border with Mexico that provides them with easy access to extremely cheap labor, then Mexicans should be able to benefit from sharing a border with Texas that allows any child they have born on U.S. soil be a U.S. citizen.
 

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Hispanic voters form a sizeable bloc, and they tend to support a laidback immigration policy.
Define laidback policy? Im Hispanic and I want the illegal aliens gone but legal immigrants shouldnt have to jump to so much red tape to become a citizen.
 
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