ACLU: Racism is foundational to the Second Amendment and its inclusion in the Bill of Rights.

[AtlantaAdonis]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

 

[Nickyjo]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

Extremists in the gun-culture do at times represent a sort of national neurosis, but nothing is that simple.

Nevertheless, I remember back in the 1960s-70s, when a group of Black Panthers pulled a creative stunt, showing up openly armed on the steps of the capitol in Sacramento. The legislature acted quickly, if I remember accurately, to ban such displays. One of the Panthers commented, “Niggers with guns. What a concept.”

 

[Captain Adverse]

One more example of how the ACLU has completely lost it's way, no longer the champion of factual civil liberties. Now, just another purveyor of radical nonsense.

I've heard this nonsense before, that "fear of slaves" was the impetus for the Second Amendment. Completely ignoring the FACT that it was access to weapons, both initially and via assistance from France that helped our Nation win it's freedom from England. Then maintain that freedom in the war of 1812. That preserved our borders and allowed for "westward expansion."

These days EVERYTHING (according to the divisive propaganda of race-grifters and the Marxist-based ideology of CRT) is "RACIST."

I don't even own a gun, but I support my right to get and own one should I ever feel the need. Nonsense like this, and the growing divisiveness caused by it...is making me wonder if it is time to start personally exercising this right.

 

[aociswundumho]

Throughout the history of this country, the rhetoric of gun rights has been selectively manipulated and utilized to inflame white racial anxiety, and to frame Blackness as an inherent threat.

No, it's the rhetoric of gun banners pushing for gun control which has been used to frame blacks as an inherent threat.

Black people benefit from having access to the means of self-defense, and progressive gun control laws make it very difficult for low income people to acquire firearms.

All anyone needs to know is that a modern white leftist and a 19th century slave owner both want the government to decide who may and who may not own firearms. They are both on the same side of the issue, and for the same reasons.

 

[Rucker61]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

State Constitutions prior to and subsequent to the Bill of Rights.


Pennsylvania: 1776: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power. Declaration of Rights, cl. XIII.

Vermont: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power. Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).

Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state. Art. I, § 15 (enacted 1818, art. I, § 17).

Were these inclusions for racist purposes for slave owners?

 

[Rucker61]

Extremists in the gun-culture do at times represent a sort of national neurosis, but nothing is that simple.

Nevertheless, I remember back in the 1960s-70s, when a group of Black Panthers pulled a creative stunt, showing up openly armed on the steps of the capitol in Sacramento. The legislature acted quickly, if I remember accurately, to ban such displays. One of the Panthers commented, “Niggers with guns. What a concept.”

You are referring to the Democratic majority in both houses of the legislature in California, right? You knew this?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

This is one of those times where the ACLU ****s up.
It's every bit as big a ****up as when they protected Phyllis Schlafly.

 

[Felis Leo]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

I am kind of getting mixed signals here.

Is the ACLU arguing that black people should have greater access to firearms pursuant to their rights under the Second Amendment? Or that because black people have constantly had their firearm rights restricted, that citizens should have the right to keep and bear arms?

Are they arguing that the Second Amendment should be expanded for all people or done away with for all people?

 

[OpportunityCost]

ACLU is missing the point here. Today's 2nd amendment supporters welcome anyone that wants to bear arms for legal purposes. They don't care about their race, sex, or anything else so long as they are law abiding citizens seeking to use firearms for a legal purpose, whether that is hunting, target shooting, sport, or self defense.

There is nothing racist in 2nd amendment support today. ACLU is searching for a problem that no longer exists and seeking controversy (the legal kind) to make a challenge based on history, not how the right and its supporters exist today.

 

[Excon]

Finally someone states the obvious....gun clutchers are motivated by fear of people of color. Same today as it was when our slave-owning founding fathers wrote the "kawnstitution".

I see. That is why so many black criminals have guns. Fear of people of another color, so much so that they kill those of their own color in greater numbers.
Your post is as wrong as usual.

 

[Antiwar]

No, it's the rhetoric of gun banners pushing for gun control which has been used to frame blacks as an inherent threat.

You make wild claims, but you don't seem to back them up.

Black people benefit from having access to the means of self-defense, and progressive gun control laws make it very difficult for low income people to acquire firearms.

What we need is gun welfare. Not just for America, but the whole world. Ahhh, Guntopia.

All anyone needs to know is that a modern white leftist and a 19th century slave owner both want the government to decide who may and who may not own firearms. They are both on the same side of the issue, and for the same reasons.

Anyone who has guns as their top issue has issues.

 

[Nickyjo]

One more example of how the ACLU has completely lost it's way, no longer the champion of factual civil liberties. Now, just another purveyor of radical nonsense.

I've heard this nonsense before, that "fear of slaves" was the impetus for the Second Amendment. Completely ignoring the FACT that it was access to weapons, both initially and via assistance from France that helped our Nation win it's freedom from England. Then maintain that freedom in the war of 1812. That preserved our borders and allowed for "westward expansion."

These days EVERYTHING (according to the divisive propaganda of race-grifters and the Marxist-based ideology of CRT) is "RACIST."

I don't even own a gun, but I support my right to get and own one should I ever feel the need. Nonsense like this, and the growing divisiveness caused by it...is making me wonder if it is time to start personally exercising this right.

And of course westward expansion had nothing to do with racism. Read the Declaration of Independence and see our kind words about Native Americans.

 

[Antiwar]

Of course the 2A was racist, the entire Constitution was racist. The "look we found our country with subhuman peoples on it" was racist.

The “well-regulated militia” that the US Constitution's second amendment refers to were slave patrols, land stealers and Indian killers, all quite necessary as the amendment's language states “to the security of a free state” built with stolen labor upon stolen land. Unless and until we acknowledge that history, we cannot have an honest discussion about gun control.

The Real And Racist Origins of the Second Amendment | Black Agenda Report

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon The “well-regulated militia” that the US Constitution's second amendment refers to were slave patrols, land stealers and Indian killers, all quite necessary as the amendment's language states “to the security of a free state”...

www.blackagendareport.com

 

[OpportunityCost]

You make wild claims, but you don't seem to back them up.



What we need is gun welfare. Not just for America, but the whole world. Ahhh, Guntopia.



Anyone who has guns as their top issue has issues.

Well if you had ANY sort of background on the subject whatsoever you would know about US v Cruikshank. Its the single greatest example of trying to bring race into gun control.

Pretty much common knowledge on this section of the forum.

 

[OrphanSlug]

By this argument, everything in the Constitution is racist.

So what is the real answer here or is the OP hypocritical entirely focusing on the 2nd Amendment?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Of course the 2A was racist, the entire Constitution was racist. The "look we found our country with subhuman peoples on it" was racist.

The Real And Racist Origins of the Second Amendment | Black Agenda Report

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon The “well-regulated militia” that the US Constitution's second amendment refers to were slave patrols, land stealers and Indian killers, all quite necessary as the amendment's language states “to the security of a free state”...

www.blackagendareport.com

The question we should be concerned with, is it racist today? Or does it treat all races and genders equally with regards to their rights?

The answer is overwhelmingly that all people are treated equally and race or gender doesn't enter into how they exercise their rights. As it should be.

 

[Antiwar]

Well if you had ANY sort of background on the subject whatsoever you would know about US v Cruikshank. Its the single greatest example of trying to bring race into gun control.

Pretty much common knowledge on this section of the forum.

I didn't say there's no racism in gun control; quite the opposite.

 

[Antiwar]

The question we should be concerned with, is it racist today? Or does it treat all races and genders equally with regards to their rights?

The answer is overwhelmingly that all people are treated equally and race or gender doesn't enter into how they exercise their rights. As it should be.

**** guns. It's way past the time to do better than barbaric weapons.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Of course the 2A was racist, the entire Constitution was racist. The "look we found our country with subhuman peoples on it" was racist.

The Real And Racist Origins of the Second Amendment | Black Agenda Report

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon The “well-regulated militia” that the US Constitution's second amendment refers to were slave patrols, land stealers and Indian killers, all quite necessary as the amendment's language states “to the security of a free state”...

www.blackagendareport.com

A post full of anti gun propaganda using the race card! A very poor use at that!

Martin Luther King, Civil Rights, and Armed Self-Defense​

Martin Luther King, Civil Rights, and Armed Self-Defense

Via Instapundit, here's UCLA law professor Adam Winkler reflecting on Martin Luther King Jr.'s "complicated history with guns": Most people...

reason.com

Most people think King would be the last person to own a gun. Yet in the mid-1950s, as the civil rights movement heated up, King kept firearms for self-protection. In fact, he even applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
A recipient of constant death threats, King had armed supporters take turns guarding his home and family. He had good reason to fear that the Klan in Alabama was targeting him for assassination.
William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that once, during a visit to King's parsonage, he went to sit down on an armchair in the living room and, to his surprise, almost sat on a loaded gun. Glenn Smiley, an adviser to King, described King's home as "an arsenal."

There's nothing unusual about this. Many civil rights activists—including those who publicly engaged in nonviolent forms of resistance—kept guns for self-defense. T.R.M. Howard, the Mississippi doctor and mutual aid leader who founded the pioneering Regional Council of Negro Leadership, slept with a Thompson submachine gun at the foot of his bed. During the murder trial that followed the horrific lynching of 14-year-old Emmett Till, Howard escorted Till's grieving mother and various others to and from the courthouse in a heavily-armed caravan.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I didn't say there's no racism in gun control; quite the opposite.

Yeah, you are lying.

"You make wild claims, but you don't seem to back them up."

You characterized the assertion as wild.

 

[Common Sense 1]

**** guns.

Why so mad bro?

 

[OpportunityCost]

**** guns. It's way past the time to do better than barbaric weapons.

Heh, tried to hide that 2nd part didn't you?

I support your right to say that, but then I'm not into authoritarianism. You....not so much.

 

[Antiwar]

Yeah, you are lying.

"You make wild claims, but you don't seem to back them up."

You characterized the assertion as wild.

He does make wild claims and he doesn't back them up. That has nothing to do with my positions posted in this thread. You're probably a wrong-libertarian.

 

[Antiwar]

Heh, tried to hide that 2nd part didn't you?

I support your right to say that, but then I'm not into authoritarianism. You....not so much.

I'm not trying to hide anything. Try to be less melodramatic.

 

[Antiwar]

By this argument, everything in the Constitution is racist.

You got that right! Well, I'd say "was" not "is."