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ACLU attack on decency

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Here are examples of how morally decayed the ACLU is.
A convience store manager got fired for refusing to sell pornography.

A woman is kept from teaching illiterate children how to read because the class room would have been in a church.

In other cases ACLU lawyers have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities; deny tax-exempt status for churches (while keeping it for themselves and various occult groups); put an end to all military and prison chaplains; eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property; prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools, even during free time; remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Real Truth About the ACLU --

But, they occasionally take a Christian case. Well, bully for the bullies.
 
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Here are examples of how morally decayed the ACLU is.
A convience store manager got fired for refusing to sell pornography.

A woman is kept from teaching illiterate children how to read because the class room would have been in a church.

In other cases ACLU lawyers have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities; deny tax-exempt status for churches (while keeping it for themselves and various occult groups); put an end to all military and prison chaplains; eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property; prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools, even during free time; remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Real Truth About the ACLU --

But, they occasionally take a Christian case. Well, bully for the bullies.

I support the underlined. Nothing wrong with that. You wanna be Christain, do it in your own time, and on your own property, not the ones my taxpayer dollars help fund. Those are for everyone, all races, creeds and religions that reside within the country, and must remain neutral.
 

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Here are examples of how morally decayed the ACLU is.
A convience store manager got fired for refusing to sell pornography.

A woman is kept from teaching illiterate children how to read because the class room would have been in a church.

In other cases ACLU lawyers have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities; deny tax-exempt status for churches (while keeping it for themselves and various occult groups); put an end to all military and prison chaplains; eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property; prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools, even during free time; remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Real Truth About the ACLU --

But, they occasionally take a Christian case. Well, bully for the bullies.

Nice link to an idiotic rant focused on events that aren't linked in any way to any kind of articles so that anyone can actually verify the claims. Before you get all enraged over some stupid internet rant ask yourself if it actually backs up it's claims with sound sources. This particular one is a very resounding "NO".
 

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Here are examples of how morally decayed the ACLU is.
A convience store manager got fired for refusing to sell pornography.

A woman is kept from teaching illiterate children how to read because the class room would have been in a church.

In other cases ACLU lawyers have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities; deny tax-exempt status for churches (while keeping it for themselves and various occult groups); put an end to all military and prison chaplains; eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property; prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools, even during free time; remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Real Truth About the ACLU --

But, they occasionally take a Christian case. Well, bully for the bullies.

I'd take this whole thing with a grain of salt I can't find any types of sources, and in the story at the beginning it fails to mention the nature of, if any, ACLU involvement. Also, they more than "occasionally take christian cases. The ACLU Fights for Christians
"In God We Trust" doesn't need to be on our money
"under God" was not in the original pledge and was part of a nationalistic campaign in the fifties.
Even if you don't like them, it's not like they always win, the ACLU serves a function, sometimes it's playing devil's advocate but everyone needs represented.
 

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I support the underlined. Nothing wrong with that. You wanna be Christain, do it in your own time, and on your own property, not the ones my taxpayer dollars help fund. Those are for everyone, all races, creeds and religions that reside within the country, and must remain neutral.

How exactly does singing carols at school or around a city hall impact your "taxpayer dollars" unless someone's getting paid off (which happens all the time around city halls but isn't something we deal with here)? That's kind of cute and cliche to say but what does it mean and why does it only apply to Christians? Who has decided that there can't be any religion in government, as opposed to government being involved in religion? Do you see the difference? If you don't, I can explain it.
 

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Can't we all just be decent please
 

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Nice link to an idiotic rant focused on events that aren't linked in any way to any kind of articles so that anyone can actually verify the claims. Before you get all enraged over some stupid internet rant ask yourself if it actually backs up it's claims with sound sources. This particular one is a very resounding "NO".


Try this on for size:

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)
 

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Try this on for size:

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)


Where are these on the ACLU website?
 

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Now why can't I find those goals on the ACLU website?
 

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You're "source" isn't reliable at all. If you want to attack any group, or person, use facts.

Also decent is a relative term, and it means different things to different people, and can be attributed to almost anything.

For example, saying the word humbug in the 1920's in this country was considered indecent, now it is not. The word decent means nothing when one wants to deal with facts.
 

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Now why can't I find those goals on the ACLU website?

Because you're looking in the wrong place. Are you naive enough to think rats and **** roaches stay out in the light? Try googling any of the ACLU policy numbers like this one, #4, concerning child pornography.
ACLU Policy To Legalize Child Porn Distribution - Blogcritics Politics

In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.
Read more: ACLU Policy To Legalize Child Porn Distribution - Blogcritics Politics
 

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You're "source" isn't reliable at all. If you want to attack any group, or person, use facts.

Also decent is a relative term, and it means different things to different people, and can be attributed to almost anything.

For example, saying the word humbug in the 1920's in this country was considered indecent, now it is not. The word decent means nothing when one wants to deal with facts.

Does men having sex with immature boys count as indecent to you? Probably not.
 

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Does men having sex with immature boys count as indecent to you? Probably not.

Of course I think that is wrong, but don't let that stop your personal attacks.
 

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Who, besides you, say they do? Show some evidence.

I don't need anyone else besides me to say it in order for me to observe it occuring. The evidnce is all around to anyone who actualy knows what socialism is.

Now, why is it that idiots always answer my questions with more questions?
 

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Because you're looking in the wrong place. Are you naive enough to think rats and **** roaches stay out in the light? Try googling any of the ACLU policy numbers like this one, #4, concerning child pornography.
ACLU Policy To Legalize Child Porn Distribution - Blogcritics Politics

In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.
Read more: ACLU Policy To Legalize Child Porn Distribution - Blogcritics Politics

Hey look, that is not what they argued. They argued this:

In an amicus brief, the ACLU argued that the law in question "has criminalized the dissemination, sale or display of constitutionally protected non-obscene materials which portray juveniles in sexually related roles," while arguing that child pornography deemed obscene under the Miller test deserved no constitutional protection and could be banned

The problem was not with child pornography but with the law and the interpretation of the first amendment. They also argued that child pornography that is obscene is not protected and could be banned. This is why you should not get information from biased blogs.

Source for quote: American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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I'd take this whole thing with a grain of salt I can't find any types of sources, and in the story at the beginning it fails to mention the nature of, if any, ACLU involvement. Also, they more than "occasionally take christian cases. The ACLU Fights for Christians
"In God We Trust" doesn't need to be on our money
"under God" was not in the original pledge and was part of a nationalistic campaign in the fifties.
Even if you don't like them, it's not like they always win, the ACLU serves a function, sometimes it's playing devil's advocate but everyone needs represented.

Well, you've got the devil part right anyway. So, in your book, taking a couple cases to camouflage themselves makes up for advocating child porn and any other kind of deviant sexual behavior? You're easily fooled.
 
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You are misinformed, whether that be intentional or otherwise. Please supply links to the policies as published by the ACLU.


"The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.

These rights include:

Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
Your right to equal protection under the law - protection against unlawful discrimination.
Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
The ACLU also works to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including people of color; women; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people; prisoners; and people with disabilities.

If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled. "

http://www.aclu.org/about-aclu-0
 
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Try this on for size:

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)

Blogs aren't generally good sources, and seeing how they don't support child pornography there really isn't any other serious issues on there. You just hear ACLU and assume that they are out to get you when a big part of what they do is fight legislation of morality.
 

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Well, you've got the devil part right anyway. So, in your book, taking a couple cases to camouflage themselves makes up for advocating child porn and any other kind of deviant sexual behavior? You're easily fooled.

One, no they don't support that. Two, you can't try to tell me the reason they took any cases. So, in your book, putting a spin to fit your view then backing it up with less than reputable sources makes up for not actually doing any real research before making sensationalist posts on a debate forum? You don't know what you're talking about.
 

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Here are examples of how morally decayed the ACLU is.
A convience store manager got fired for refusing to sell pornography.

A woman is kept from teaching illiterate children how to read because the class room would have been in a church.

In other cases ACLU lawyers have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities; deny tax-exempt status for churches (while keeping it for themselves and various occult groups); put an end to all military and prison chaplains; eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property; prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools, even during free time; remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Real Truth About the ACLU --

But, they occasionally take a Christian case. Well, bully for the bullies.

I'm totally cool with all of that. I don't believe that people should be so outgoing with their religion and Christianity has a history of being too outgoing, as do other religions.
 
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