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ACLU and activists say North Carolina anti-riot, looting bill is 'racist' and 'anti-BLM'

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The ACLU and activists are slamming a North Carolina anti-rioting bill that would increase penalties for rioting or looting as "racist" and "anti-Black Lives Matter" "This bill HB805 is racist. It’s an anti-Black Lives Matter bill," attorney Dawn Blagrove of the activist group Emancipate NC told WNCN. House Bill 805 was sponsored by Republican North Carolina Speaker of the House Tim Moore after Raleigh saw riots last summer as protests and riots swept the country following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.


No.....just, no.
Critical thinking and common sense has completely vanished when a law aimed at rioting and looting is deemed "racist" or "anti BLM"......no one who has even a casual relationship with reality would make or defend that statement

Is rioting and looting a problem in North Carolina? Were the previous law inadequate? In other words, what's the point?
 

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Let's admit it.

The anti-looting bill is "racist" in a sense.

Since almost all looters are usually of two certain ethnicities, the bill does target those two ethnicities. Ergo, "racist."

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Last year, we in Los Angeles watched TV in fascination and revulsion when the cameras showed gangs of young people smiling and laughing as they entered and emerged with boxes of merchandise.

The woke reporters at the Los Angeles Times admonished its own management for covering the looting. Those wokesters felt that more time should have been devoted to reporting the social conditions that forced those dear sweet youngsters to loot. Yea, right!
 

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Is rioting and looting a problem in North Carolina? Were the previous law inadequate? In other words, what's the point?
The point is to rightfully punish Antifa and BLM.
 

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They didn't see a need for this when NC students rioted in celebration of winning a championship. What changed?
 

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Irrelevant. A pre-emptive strike.

WHY are you against this law?

As I pointed out already, they didn't feel the need to act after student riots.

So why now?
 

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Any evidence they support rioting? Or is it just because they are black and thus scary?
Black people beating up cops and looting stores are scary. Why do they commit so much crime per capita? What is the reason?
 

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The ACLU and activists are slamming a North Carolina anti-rioting bill that would increase penalties for rioting or looting as "racist" and "anti-Black Lives Matter" "This bill HB805 is racist. It’s an anti-Black Lives Matter bill," attorney Dawn Blagrove of the activist group Emancipate NC told WNCN. House Bill 805 was sponsored by Republican North Carolina Speaker of the House Tim Moore after Raleigh saw riots last summer as protests and riots swept the country following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.


No.....just, no.
Critical thinking and common sense has completely vanished when a law aimed at rioting and looting is deemed "racist" or "anti BLM"......no one who has even a casual relationship with reality would make or defend that statement
Only if it allows the state to treat civil disobedience as rioting.
 

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Well let's see. Something that was a one time event or looting that went on all over the country for an entire summer. Not sure why you can't figure this out on your own.

The looting and rioting where the law was passed was done mostly by college kids.

Would Alaska pass such a law?

Food for thought.
 

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The looting and rioting where the law was passed was done mostly by college kids.

Would Alaska pass such a law?

Food for thought.
Not much of a meal.

Not surprising that a state that didn't have riots during this past summer would have no desire to pass more laws.
 

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The remark was cynical, perhaps, but not sarcastic.

Distilled down to its ideological core, BLM is a divisive, implacable social wrecking ball, founded and sustained by people who look outward rather than inward for the origin of every personal grief, and in so doing make themselves enemies of peace, fairness, and respect between the races.

There is a kernel of truth in their complaints against the police. Yet the movement itself is so polluted by the ideas of ethnocentrism, neo-Marxism, Alinskyism, and CRT that it's little more than a banner under to which to threaten, accuse, riot, and issue unfair demands.

Hence when I say "an attack on rioting and looting is an attack on BLM", I'm being quite sincere. Rioting and looting are the hallmarks of BLM, and any laws aimed at dissuading the criminality associated with BLM is going to impact the movement itself. The police know this. So do the legislators. So do the politicians supporting the movement and the ACLU lawyers, even though none would directly admit it.

They said the same thing about the civil rights movement, and yes, marxists and communists were part of that movement too. Their presence does not invalidate the point of a veryyyyy diverse movement. Even Catholic pastors have been seen kneeling with BLM signs.
 

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You were whining about a planned march in D.C. and how those attendees should be subject to a N.C. law. Ridiculous.
The proposed law is against riots and looting, not protesting peacefully.
Again, it’s cute you have you head in the sand and dismiss my concerns for America and everybody’s rights.
Who has their head in the sand? Everyone knows that those on both sides of the issues are always going to consider their side's protests "mostly peaceful" no matter the end outcome. It happens with both BLM protests and MAGA. A riot is a riot is a riot. Here's a solution. In order to have a march or protest, you must pay for the amount of security needed and also there needs to be a cap on participants stated before the day of the protest. Those participants must be named and must provide I.D. in order to enter a staged pre-protest area. No one else will be admitted. The hired security will keep all stragglers who were not signed up. The protest organizers must provide an insurance policy to cover any damage arising from the protest regardless of any named protesters not participating in violence. This will incentivize the organizers to tell any potential outside agitators to stay away.
 

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No.....just, no.
Critical thinking and common sense has completely vanished when a law aimed at rioting and looting is deemed "racist" or "anti BLM"......no one who has even a casual relationship with reality would make or defend that statement
There was nothing overtly racist about drug laws, yet they were enacted due to racist fears and enforced disproportionately on black and brown people. No one is denying that these laws are being enacted due to fears of black people rioting. The BLM protests are being cited as the cause for the bills.

If you can't read between the lines, then you might as well support "separate but equal".
 

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There was nothing overtly racist about drug laws, yet they were enacted due to racist fears and enforced disproportionately on black and brown people. No one is denying that these laws are being enacted due to fears of black people rioting. The BLM protests are being cited as the cause for the bills.

If you can't read between the lines, then you might as well support "separate but equal".

Excellent points!

from ACLU, here is an example of how laws can intentionally or not lead to racial disparities


Another drug war policy that deeply affected the black population was the 100-to-1 disparity in sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine, in which possession of only five grams of crack cocaine triggered the same mandatory minimum sentence as possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine. There was a strong racial component to the disparity as crack arrestees were far more likely to be black.
 

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They said the same thing about the civil rights movement, and yes, marxists and communists were part of that movement too. Their presence does not invalidate the point of a veryyyyy diverse movement. Even Catholic pastors have been seen kneeling with BLM signs.
Most people don't know what BLM is actually about. They've never listened to complete speeches by its leading ideologues, or read its manifestos on sites like m4bl.org. This is particularly true for the American left.

I imagine many people "taking a knee" and holding up signs are simply trying to express the sentiment "I care about victims of police misconduct", being ignorant of the toxic ideology underpinning the banner they're using.
 

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Good points!

from ACLU


Another drug war policy that deeply affected the black population was the 100-to-1 disparity in sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine, in which possession of only five grams of crack cocaine triggered the same mandatory minimum sentence as possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine. There was a strong racial component to the disparity as crack arrestees were far more likely to be black.
You realize these laws were demanded by the Congressional Black Congress in the 1970's and 1980's? They believed them to be necessary to curb a "crack epidemic" in black neighbourhoods, and they fought hard for them.
 

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Most people don't know what BLM is actually about. They've never listened to complete speeches by its leading ideologues, or read its manifestos on sites like m4bl.org. This is particularly true for the American left.

I imagine many people "taking a knee" and holding up signs are simply trying to express the sentiment "I care about victims of police misconduct", being ignorant of the toxic ideology underpinning the banner they're using.

This makes zero sense in 2021. The BLM movement has certainly expanded and is way more diverse

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By contrast most people do not have a clue what Marxism is. and those who try to invalidate the fight for a civil right based on the presence of Marxism ae taking their cues from right-winggg Hoover type propaganda

 

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You realize these laws were demanded by the Congressional Black Congress in the 1970's and 1980's? They believed them to be necessary to curb a "crack epidemic" in black neighbourhoods, and they fought hard for them.

I did not see any claim by any Congressional Black Congress (which never controlled any legislation anyway) that there should be a 100-to-1 disparity in sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine.
 
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