Acid test -- I humbly submit the Student Opt-Out Notice (1 Viewer)

[Jerry]

STUDENT OPT-OUT NOTICE​

To the _______________________________________School District.

Dear Sir or Madam,
1. Upon your receipt of this document, you are placed on legal notice that I, the undersigned parent(s), have elected to invoke my parental rights under Federal and State Statutes and Case Law regarding the instruction of sexuality to my child(ren).

2. You are not to instruct my child about human sexuality without first providing me, on an incident-by-incident basis, at least 15 days prior notice, and obtaining my written permission after allowing me the opportunity to review your materials/lesson plan.

3. You are specifically forbidden from addressing issues of homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism, transvestitism, transsexuality, sado-masochism, pedophilia, beastiality or other alternatives to monogamous hetrosexual marriage to my child in any manner or form that would convey the message to my child that such orientations/behaviors are immutable, unchangeable or harmless.

4. This prohibition extends to any legitimization or normalization of these sexual orientations/behaviors no matter how your program or approach is defined or packaged, including but not limited to any instruction, materials or conversation related to “diversity” “tolerance” “multi-culturalism” “gender studies” “family life” “safe schools” “hate crimes” “AIDS education” or the like.

5. This prohibition extends to all school system employees and agents in any setting, on or off campus, in which my child(ren) is/are in the care of the school.

6. I am aware that politically active “gay and lesbian” teachers and other school system employees across America have organized for the purpose of legitimizing homosexuality and related sexual orientations to schoolchildren, using various pretexts such as the theme of “school safety.” I consider it the duty of the school to protect my child(ren) from any such activities.

7. This document shall supersede any previously signed permission forms you may have on file.

The child(ren) to which this opt-out notice applies is/are
________________________________ ________________________________
________________________________ ________________________________
Signed,
_____________________________ ______ ___________________________ ______
Parent or Legal Guardian Date Parent or Legal Guardian Date

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Parents: For maximum legal protection, send this notice by certified mail. Keep a signed, dated copy for your records and give a copy to your attorney. After submitting this notice, do not sign any blanket permission slip offered by the school. All important communication with the schools should be in writing.

This form is copyrighted by The Pro-Family Law Center, 6060 Sunrise Vista Drive, Suite 3050, Citrus Heights, CA 95610 (916) 676-1057. You have permission to copy and distribute this notice to others if your purpose is to protect children from homosexual activism in the schools. Copies of this form and other resources for parents, including information on how to form a local parent’s rights group, are available without charge at www.abidingtruth.com. Valid in all 50 states. Consult with your attorney about specific parental rights laws in your state.

 

[tecoyah]

Cool....let me know how that preteen pregnancy works out, OK?


And I really hope your boys dont go to Catholic school....they wont even know what hit 'em....literally...heh.

 

[Kelzie]

Hey, kick ***. Can my kids opt out of algebra too? They'll need that less than sex-ed.

 

[Jerry]

Cool....let me know how that preteen pregnancy works out, OK?

And I really hope your boys dont go to Catholic school....they wont even know what hit 'em....literally...heh.

You incorrectly assume that my default answer to any and all sex education provided by the school would be "no"; and that the school is the only source of sex ed.

In fact, the point of the existence of this notice is for the parent to retain knowledge and control over what their child learns.

I imagine that you would send one of these notices to your child's school if you found out that groups were holding school assemblies with the message that only heterosexuality was "normal, natural and healthy".

Don't you think that the school should give you notice about such things? Don't you think that parents have a right to know about what their children learn?

This notice is the logical reaction to sex ed. secrecy in the schools.

 

[tecoyah]

You incorrectly assume that my default answer to any and all sex education provided by the school would be "no"; and that the school is the only source of sex ed.

Actually....you incorrectly assume that I assume (hows that for confusion). Instead I correctly assumed you would explain how incorrect anything but hetero relations in marrige are to your children, and fail to explain the realities of the world in which they will grow up. In this way, you will force them into a limited understanding of human sexuality which will likely lead to questions you are unwilling to answer. Eventually as they become....active, they will find the need to seek outside information to answer the questions you will not shed light on. Who will give them these answers if not the parent?

Peers.

In fact, the point of the existence of this notice is for the parent to retain knowledge and control over what their child learns.

Thus by controlling (read limiting) the information, they must quench curiosity by going somewhere else. Personally....I would rather just be honest with my Kids.

I imagine that you would send one of these notices to your child's school if you found out that groups were holding school assemblies with the message that only heterosexuality was "normal, natural and healthy".

You would be Imagining incorrectly. Were this the case, I would simply talk to them....and answer the questions they have to the best of my ability. Filling in the Gaps as needed. Also explaining that a hetero lifestyle is indeed " Normal, Natural, and Healthy", as are many others.

Don't you think that the school should give you notice about such things? Don't you think that parents have a right to know about what their children learn?

Yes...I do. Which is a part of the reason we homeschool our 3 children.

This notice is the logical reaction to sex ed. secrecy in the schools.

I do not question the reasoning behind the document....But I find the tone rather negative, backwards, and homophobic. If one wishes to pass on to thier offspring a dislike for More....encompassing....sexuality. That is certainly thier perogative. I personally just want mine to be informed, as I feel they can handle the truth.

Kids are a hell of alot smarter than we give them credit for....or at least, they can be.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Sex ed was pointless in my school. We had 5 pregnancies in my class of 100 which is a lot for a rich suburb. Also there was this huge "never have anal sex" section of the class that just taught us how to do it safely as opposed to not at all. How stupid are these people?!?!?!

 

[Jerry]

I do not question the reasoning behind the document....But I find the tone rather negative, backwards, and homophobic. If one wishes to pass on to thier offspring a dislike for More....encompassing....sexuality. That is certainly thier perogative. I personally just want mine to be informed, as I feel they can handle the truth.

Kids are a hell of alot smarter than we give them credit for....or at least, they can be.

Here's my thing: My oldest is 5.
A 5 year old does not need any sex ed on any level, to any degree, at all. He doesn't need people telling him about sexual orientations, stds, safe sexual practices, etc.

When I was a blood born pathogen educator for Cento Civico in NY, the way we handled these issues was by representing it on the child's level: ie; if you get in a fight, if you fall off your bike, if some one touches you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, if you shear lip gloss with someone who has a sore on their lip, and similar.

My 5 year old is focused on Thomas the Tank Engine, trucks and tractors. He doesn’t need non age-appropriate information given to him, especially without my knowledge.

So, yeah, control does = limitation, and that' a good thing. He will have what he needs as he grows. I will not risk stunting his sexual maturity by exposing him to material that he is not mature enough to process.

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In any event, I was hoping that people would challenge the document itself. I would like to ferret out its weaknesses, see if it could actually stand up in court, etc.

 

[Joby]

Uh, Professor Kinsey, we would like you to address the world on the situation (again)


Oh, but I hope my childrens school does not teach homosexuality is an ok alternative.

 

[JustineCredible]

Look here, I don't know of any public elementary schools who are teaching five year olds about sexuality of any sort. Hetero or otherwise.

I know in my child's school district (which was the same one I attended) they only taught the most limited sexual education to fifth graders (ten and eleven year olds).
This consisted of separating girls from boys and showing them two different, outdated, slightly misguided, movie about puberty and what each gender was to expect as their bodies change.

THAT'S IT!

My son's middle schools didn't offer any sort of sex-ed. His high school to this day doesn't offer any kind of sexual education. Even their state mandated health class simply avoids any topic of sex at all.

Talk about your seriously limited education!!!

I had to have SEVERAL talks with my son to dispel what he was learning from his PEERS because there is NO sexual education whatsoever in his school district!

Actually I was shocked to know this. That in the year 2006 my son's school district has NO formal or informal Sexual Education curriculum past basic puberty awareness!!!!
I sent a letter to my son's high school Principal, the School Board, City and County health departments!!
I was outraged that kids in this city are still having to rely on PEERS and what little they get from parents...

In this day and age!!

 

[ngdawg]

I don't know of any district either that starts sex ed in kindergarten. I do find, however, that the parents most opposed to any sex education in schools are the most uptight, puritanical and misinformed people. They believe homosexuality to be a heinous sin, birth control to be a sin, premarital sex almost reason enough for the death penalty and all boys are evil sex predators after their sweet daughter or all girls are tramps looking to ensnare their angelic son.
School systems are far from perfect but too many parents are on complete opposites of the support system-they either do nothing at all thinking their school will do everything or they're so adamantly opposed to what the schools teach that they seek out purposeful contradiction to it. Ideally, we should be in the middle; reinforce and support what is taught, answer questions, ask questions and talk to the kids about what they are learning and help them to learn more.
To blanketly make out forms such as this in the belief that you know more than someone educated in that field is pompous at least and could be disastrous in the long run.
To echo Tecoyah, let me know how that preteen pregnancy works out....

 

[Jerry]

Look here, I don't know of any public elementary schools who are teaching five year olds about sexuality of any sort. Hetero or otherwise.

I know in my child's school district (which was the same one I attended) they only taught the most limited sexual education to fifth graders (ten and eleven year olds).
This consisted of separating girls from boys and showing them two different, outdated, slightly misguided, movie about puberty and what each gender was to expect as their bodies change.

THAT'S IT!

My son's middle schools didn't offer any sort of sex-ed. His high school to this day doesn't offer any kind of sexual education. Even their state mandated health class simply avoids any topic of sex at all.

Talk about your seriously limited education!!!

I had to have SEVERAL talks with my son to dispel what he was learning from his PEERS because there is NO sexual education whatsoever in his school district!

Actually I was shocked to know this. That in the year 2006 my son's school district has NO formal or informal Sexual Education curriculum past basic puberty awareness!!!!
I sent a letter to my son's high school Principal, the School Board, City and County health departments!!
I was outraged that kids in this city are still having to rely on PEERS and what little they get from parents...

In this day and age!!

Your son wouldn't need a school to to his dad's job if his dad or father-like male role model were around But his mom seems to think that dads are irrelevant to the family, so we have to work with what we’ve got.

For example:
School district approves sex ed starting in kindergarten.

3 days before the end of my 5 y/o preschool, I found out that the school had repeatedly taken him off campus for fieldtrips...without mine or my wife's knowledge, let alone consent. We were pizzed, but what could we do?

If the school wants to be trusted, there doing a pissss poor job of establishing that trust.

Home school here we come. Tecoyah, got any tips for home schooling?

 

[Jerry]

Hey, kick ***. Can my kids opt out of algebra too? They'll need that less than sex-ed.

You know, that's an interesting idea.....

Suppose that a parent were familiar with a Scott Flansburg approach to math, and could do a better job of teaching math (algebra, in this case) to their child than could the school. Why, then, shouldn’t the parents be able to opt their child out of the inferior math class?

I had a hard time with algebra and geometry. I got through it, but it was hard. When I heard of Scott Flansburg last year I ordered his stuff (it's free, no chit), and OMG....if I knew how to do math the way he does it I would have breezed through math.

I think I'm likening the idea of an ala-cart approach to schools more and more.

 

[Jerry]

.....To blanketly make out forms such as this in the belief that you know more than someone educated in that field is pompous at least and could be disastrous in the long run.....

41.

Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

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That's just your opinion, though. If you don't like Student Opt Out forms, don't sign one. (A little pro-choice lingo there :2wave: )

I am educated in that field, though.
I was a boy. I went through male puberty. I am a man today. I know what goes through the minds of young men as they grow, because I was one. My boys take after me in various aspects of their personality, so I already know what to anticipate.

In any event, the point of the forms is to make sure that the parents know what their child is learning in school. I'm sorry that you don't believe that parents should be informed or involved in their child's education, but uninvolved parents are not something that I care to burden my sons with.

 

[ngdawg]

Well, your apology is wrongly placed. I care very MUCH what my kids get from school and I was employed there as well in the classrooms, so the insider information helps. Communication between parents and kids starts long before the schools get them and should continue to be reinforced throughout their school years.
Being a man is not being educated in the ways of sex education, not to mention the generational differences. While it's all good and great to give the old, 'well, when I was your age" analogies, they're not complete in their teachings and, as we all know, kids tune that crap right out. It's a different world than 20 years ago.
As for that quote about "Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.", that sounds like a load of BS and you give nothing of a source or author, link, nada, to back it up, so basically you only wasted space putting it there.
The other link you provided is misleading at best in your fervent attempt to show the educational system going to hell. Kindergartners are not going to be learning about sexual conduct, sexual practices or anything to do with sex in and of itself. Read the article again.

 

[Jerry]

Well, your apology is wrongly placed. I care very MUCH what my kids get from school and I was employed there as well in the classrooms, so the insider information helps. Communication between parents and kids starts long before the schools get them and should continue to be reinforced throughout their school years.

Then you have no objection to the schools being legally compelled to tell the parents what they are teaching, and thus have no issue with the opt-out forms.

Being a man is not being educated in the ways of sex education, not to mention the generational differences.

That's why there’s a dad...and a mom Not 2 dads or 2 moms, etc.

I don't need to be trained in the state sponsored indoctrination presses in order to be competent in educating my child on sex ed, math, science, English, etc.

Besides, the opt-out forms are all about the parents knowing what is going on given that the schools try to sneak the curriculum by us.

While it's all good and great to give the old, 'well, when I was your age" analogies, they're not complete in their teachings and, as we all know, kids tune that crap right out. It's a different world than 20 years ago.

The 'well, when I was your age" thing doesn't apply to me, as that is not how I would approach the subject. Care to try again?

As for that quote about "Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.", that sounds like a load of BS and you give nothing of a source or author, link, nada, to back it up, so basically you only wasted space putting it there.

Click on the "41" and scroll down....to #41.

The other link you provided is misleading at best in your fervent attempt to show the educational system going to hell. Kindergartners are not going to be learning about sexual conduct, sexual practices or anything to do with sex in and of itself. Read the article again.

Heh, well, if I need to read the article again...wouldn’t that be a fair example as to how well the public ed. teaches reading comp.? Anyway, I meant to show the existence of the will to make sex ed in kindergarten existent, and the article showed that. I never made the claim that it was currently so, only that I would employ the opt-out forms because the will to put sex-ed in kindergarten is there, and that the public school already lost my trust by taking my oldest on field trips without my knowledge or consent.

 

[ngdawg]

The field trip incident is a lame reason. Oversights happen, that just happened to be to you that time.
Again, the article states clearly that it is NOT about teaching sex, but you seem to think it is, alluding again to your reading things that aren't said.

The 'well, when I was your age" thing doesn't apply to me, as that is not how I would approach the subject. Care to try again?

Your exact words were: "I was a boy. I went through male puberty. I am a man today. I know what goes through the minds of young men as they grow, because I was one. My boys take after me in various aspects of their personality, so I already know what to anticipate." That is exactly how you would approach the subject because otherwise you aren't educated in the subject matter to be objective. And, being male, you know nothing of female anatomy other than what you live with. Wouldn't that be cool to watch you hem haw and stammer your explanations of vaginas, menses and what to expect to some giggling boys.....

That's why there’s a dad...and a mom Not 2 dads or 2 moms, etc.

That might be the case in your house, but not in every house. A family is not just YOUR version of it.

I don't need to be trained in the state sponsored indoctrination presses in order to be competent in educating my child on sex ed, math, science, English, etc.
Besides, the opt-out forms are all about the parents knowing what is going on given that the schools try to sneak the curriculum by us.

Actually, to home school and have your kids advance, you have to have them pass certain tests mandated by, guess who.... There are some more radical groups that have completely taken their kids out of every system, do NOT follow any guidelines for homeschooling and in fact, don't 'homeschool' at all, but think kids will learn when they want to. The jury's still out on how those kids will fare in real life.
So, yea there has to some remedial understanding of what is required to allow your children to forge ahead, there has to be commitment to allow that and there has to be some similance of order.
Opt-out forms are a cop-out for parents that don't want to be bothered actually finding out about what goes on and just want to thumb their nose at the 'system'. Then when something isn't to their liking, they blame the schools completely instead of having been involved in the first place.
Schools aren't just about sex education and sex education isn't just about body parts and how to use them. Most school systems have their own opt-outs for parents anyway when the 'real' sex classes start...you know, the ones where they show how to make a girl moan and stuff.:roll:

 

[Jerry]

The field trip incident is a lame reason. Oversights happen, that just happened to be to you that time.

I don't consider 3 acts of kidnaping a mear "oversight".

Again, the article states clearly that it is NOT about teaching sex, but you seem to think it is, alluding again to your reading things that aren't said.

I know full well that its about more than sex, thank you.

Your exact words were: "I was a boy. I went through male puberty. I am a man today. I know what goes through the minds of young men as they grow, because I was one. My boys take after me in various aspects of their personality, so I already know what to anticipate."

Yup, and that's not a "when I was your age" aproch.

That is exactly how you would approach the subject because otherwise you aren't educated in the subject matter to be objective.

Shall we play Buzz-Word Bingo?

Of coarse I'm not objective. I have a religious faith. I have a gender. I have various political outlooks and opinions. I have a race. I have a unique background. I am subjective, and that's not a bad thing. My child will here my biases along with the biases of everyone ells he encounters and form his own biases and opinions from there.

And, being male, you know nothing of female anatomy other than what you live with. Wouldn't that be cool to watch you hem haw and stammer your explanations of vaginas, menses and what to expect to some giggling boys.....

Who has the reading comp. problem now? As I said, that's why there is a dad...and a mom. Not 2 dads or 2 moms or whatever. You’re making the case that same sex couples are inferior in some way. Be careful with that.

That might be the case in your house, but not in every house. A family is not just YOUR version of it.

Well no duh. The sky is also blue, your point?

Actually, to home school and have your kids advance, you have to have them pass certain tests mandated by, guess who....

Yup, I have the state requirements up stairs.

There are some more radical groups that have completely taken their kids out of every system, do NOT follow any guidelines for homeschooling and in fact, don't 'homeschool' at all, but think kids will learn when they want to. The jury's still out on how those kids will fare in real life.

I'm not a member of a radical group, though. I hold the middle ground.

So, yea there has to some remedial understanding of what is required to allow your children to forge ahead, there has to be commitment to allow that and there has to be some similance of order.

Yup.

Opt out forms are a cop-out for parents that don't want to be bothered actually finding out about what goes on and just want to thumb their nose at the 'system'. Then when something isn't to their liking, they blame the schools completely instead of having been involved in the first place.
Schools aren't just about sex education and sex education isn't just about body parts and how to use them. Most school systems have their own opt-outs for parents anyway when the 'real' sex classes start...you know, the ones where they show how to make a girl moan and stuff.:roll:

That was a grand display of ignorance.

You didn't read my last post.

Opt out forms are a tool to legally compel the school to tell the parents what they are teaching. Nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, I would say that informed parents are a necessity to a child's quality education.

 

[ngdawg]

Who has the reading comp. problem now? As I said, that's why there is a dad...and a mom. Not 2 dads or 2 moms or whatever. You’re making the case that same sex couples are inferior in some way. Be careful with that.

This is your contention-that your setup is superior. My contention is that it is not and 2 dads or 2 moms is just fine. It's not I who needs to be careful there as I don't give a rat's tooth.

In fact, I would say that informed parents are a necessity to a child's quality education.

And there's your duh. An opt-out form is not going to 'inform' parents that don't want to be bothered one way or another.
Those of us who actually care what goes on with our kids take the steps to find out above and beyond anything a school might hand out.
And, while I don't know what town your schools are in, I find it difficult to believe that they would just load some kids on a bus and take them anywhere without some kind of prior notice as there are insurance matters, notification matters, etc. I'd almost be willing to bet that your own kids didn't bring home the necessary paperwork, either at the top of the school year or prior to each excursion. No matter what town I lived in growing up and the schools now, notification was always sent before any event (and I ain't no spring chicken). If they did it 40 years ago and are doing now, I doubt it was the school alone the screwed up. And if they DID screw up, it's a simple matter of confronting the principal and/or board of ed to insure it doesn't happen again.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

what a silly post. Send them to private school where they learn 5000 irelevant things about jeee-susssss!
If you don't want your child to be educated in a practical sense, that is your pergoative, that is why private schooling is an option.

 

[JustineCredible]

Your son wouldn't need a school to to his dad's job if his dad or father-like male role model were around But his mom seems to think that dads are irrelevant to the family, so we have to work with what we’ve got.

Again, another erroneous assumption about someone you know NOTHING about!
But am I shocked by your statements? No, not at all.
You simply solidify the already formed statement ngdawg alliterated in his first reply to your original statement.
Obviously you haven't been paying attention when I have spoken of my parenting style or family situation. Again, am I shocked? No, not at all.

For example:
School district approves sex ed starting in kindergarten.

3 days before the end of my 5 y/o preschool, I found out that the school had repeatedly taken him off campus for fieldtrips...without mine or my wife's knowledge, let alone consent. We were pizzed, but what could we do?

If the school wants to be trusted, there doing a pissss poor job of establishing that trust.

Home school here we come. Tecoyah, got any tips for home schooling?

I have a few, BE HONEST, allow honest discourse and discussion, make NO subject taboo, get well rounded sources...not just ones that bolster your already puritanical views...
You know, maybe SOMEONE ELSE teaching your child would probably be a better idea, now that I've ruminated on this a bit.

 

[JustineCredible]

I am educated in that field, though.
I was a boy. I went through male puberty. I am a man today. I know what goes through the minds of young men as they grow, because I was one. My boys take after me in various aspects of their personality, so I already know what to anticipate.

INSERT SOUND OF SCRATCHING RECORD HERE:​

OMG WHAT?

You think that just because you are a male of the species you know more about someone who's actually been educated in the subject?
Not to mention the fact of how little you know of being female!

See this is exactly why we NEED sex education in schools.
Parents aren't the be all and end all of resources, this has been proven through the vast number of teen pregnancy rates.
Just because they're your sons doesn't mean they are mini-you's. No, no, no...they are their own persons, they happen to share half their genes with you, but their experiences, their points of view, their minds are 100% their own!!
You may THINK you know them, but the harsh reality is you don't. But you won't know this until is too late!
And with your attitude, it most likely will be when one or both of them come home at the ripe old age of say 16, and tell you they've gotten a girl pregnant, or they've contracted some horrible STD!
Why? Because you thought you knew them so well!!!
You'll be the one with egg on your face darlin'!

In any event, the point of the forms is to make sure that the parents know what their child is learning in school. I'm sorry that you don't believe that parents should be informed or involved in their child's education, but uninvolved parents are not something that I care to burden my sons with.

Um, no, the point of that form is to make sure the children DON'T learn anything the parents don't want them too, thus RESTRICTING their education and knowledge base.
Unless you're in the classroom everyday and listening to EVERY conversation in the hallways and lockerrooms...there's no way you will know EVERYTHING your child is learning.
Trust me!!!
Until you realize this, you're only setting your sons and yourself up for some really emotionally painful experiences.

 

[ngdawg]

Again, another erroneous assumption about someone you know NOTHING about!
But am I shocked by your statements? No, not at all.
You simply solidify the already formed statement ngdawg alliterated in his first reply to your original statement.
Obviously you haven't been paying attention when I have spoken of my parenting style or family situation. Again, am I shocked? No, not at all.




I have a few, BE HONEST, allow honest discourse and discussion, make NO subject taboo, get well rounded sources...not just ones that bolster your already puritanical views...
You know, maybe SOMEONE ELSE teaching your child would probably be a better idea, now that I've ruminated on this a bit.

Psst...I'm a she...
But I agree...one sided puritanical thinking is not educating....

 

[nineplus]

I think I'm likening the idea of an ala-cart approach to schools more and more.

ugh, I hate doing this..........as in really, really hate doing this...........but I agree with quite a bit of what you've said in this thread. not your "I'm a guy so I know how to teach my boys and they need nothing else but my macho dude teachings" bunkola, but what you've said about parental rights is very close to how I believe............and because it would be wrong for me to just say ew, it's him and I don't wanna be caught dead agreeing w/ him on anything, I'm here to back you up a bit............just this once lol

(you're probably equally appalled at finding the likes of me covering your back eh??)

your school taking your child off campus makes me..............sheesh, I don't even know what to say. it's horrible..........beyond belief...........I don't know how you managed to stay cool with them. I honestly don't know what I would have done...........crap, I'll just leave it at that!

as for sex education, I do believe it serves a role............not that I necessarily agree with what's being taught (there you and I would REALLY disagree) but I do believe it serves a purpose................that said, I also agree parents should have the right to opt out without explaining their reasons for doing so............it isn't an academic subject and the schools mandate is to educate children............public schools do a lot of raising these days too, which would be another thread entirely, but if a parent wants to completely take over such a subjective, somewhat sensitive subject of study, I agree it should be their right

as for homeschooling and/or using the public school system in an ala carte, that's exactly what we're doing and it can work............we're also using a homeschooling co-op, a local private school which allows hsers to take classes w/o being enrolled full-time and the community college system in our area.................using a multi-approach is working for my family. my three oldest are now in college full time (at 21 my oldest is just beginning his masters program) and my next two down are attending community college classes part time, as well as other things I mentioned above. we do use the local middle and high schools for classes as the children wish to attend............it's a big mishmash combo approach, but it gives us the ultimate control over what they study and when they study it

but back to sex education in schools, I'd never dream of opting out if my children were there, but I sure do agree with you parents should have the right

 

[Pen]

Jerry, wouldn't it be more efficient and specific to simply request that the instructor show you the teaching materials to be used? A quasi-legal document is likely to be viewed as a potential threat to the school, rather than a request for information that provides you with the options you seek.

My two cents.

 

[ngdawg]

ugh, I hate doing this..........as in really, really hate doing this...........but I agree with quite a bit of what you've said in this thread. not your "I'm a guy so I know how to teach my boys and they need nothing else but my macho dude teachings" bunkola, but what you've said about parental rights is very close to how I believe............and because it would be wrong for me to just say ew, it's him and I don't wanna be caught dead agreeing w/ him on anything, I'm here to back you up a bit............just this once lol

(you're probably equally appalled at finding the likes of me covering your back eh??)

your school taking your child off campus makes me..............sheesh, I don't even know what to say. it's horrible..........beyond belief...........I don't know how you managed to stay cool with them. I honestly don't know what I would have done...........crap, I'll just leave it at that!

as for sex education, I do believe it serves a role............not that I necessarily agree with what's being taught (there you and I would REALLY disagree) but I do believe it serves a purpose................that said, I also agree parents should have the right to opt out without explaining their reasons for doing so............it isn't an academic subject and the schools mandate is to educate children............public schools do a lot of raising these days too, which would be another thread entirely, but if a parent wants to completely take over such a subjective, somewhat sensitive subject of study, I agree it should be their right

as for homeschooling and/or using the public school system in an ala carte, that's exactly what we're doing and it can work............we're also using a homeschooling co-op, a local private school which allows hsers to take classes w/o being enrolled full-time and the community college system in our area.................using a multi-approach is working for my family. my three oldest are now in college full time (at 21 my oldest is just beginning his masters program) and my next two down are attending community college classes part time, as well as other things I mentioned above. we do use the local middle and high schools for classes as the children wish to attend............it's a big mishmash combo approach, but it gives us the ultimate control over what they study and when they study it

but back to sex education in schools, I'd never dream of opting out if my children were there, but I sure do agree with you parents should have the right

I don't think anyone has disagreed with him regarding parental rights; the really laughable part is that I go on about exercising those rights and being involved and he's telling me I'm not...there's a WTF moment....
The bottom line IS involvement and communication and allowing for the fact that our kids are not the little airheads we think they are and should have a say and/or part of their educational careers. After all, the end result has nothing to do with the parents-but it has everything to do with how our offspring get on in the world.