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And there are conservative Protestant religions that don't think Catholics are Christian. What's your point?The Catholic Catechism says that one must be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved. Therefore, if the only true Christians are Catholics, then can it be said that all non-Catholic "Christians" aren't Christians at all?
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Yes. Continue reading the catechism.
“838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."The portion of the Catechism I shared says otherwise. Are you saying that there's a proceeding portion of the Catechism that contradicts what I shared here? If so, can you share it or am I supposed to take your word for it?
What is the actual worth of such a document when it can also be shown that other documents by the catholic church are just plain ridiculous.The portion of the Catechism I shared says otherwise. Are you saying that there's a proceeding portion of the Catechism that contradicts what I shared here? If so, can you share it or am I supposed to take your word for it?
Or in other words that the catholics choose not to use. Catholics are cannibals.Transubstantiation is a core belief in the Roman Catholic Church that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist (Holy Communion) are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, while retaining their physical appearance. This transformation is understood as a change in substance, not just a symbolic representation.
So does the catholic church allow you to pick and choose which document you will abide by or does it demand loyalty to all these documents.The Doctrine of Discovery established a religious, political, and legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited by Christians. ..... .Pope Nicholas V issued "Romanus Pontifex" in 1455, granting the Portuguese a monopoly of trade with Africa and authorizing the enslavement of local people;......Inter Caetera” in 1493 to justify Christian European explorers’ claims on land and waterways they allegedly discovered, and promote Christian domination and superiority, and has been applied in Africa, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the Americas.
So does the catholoc church allow you to pick and choose which document you will abide by or does it demand loyalty to all these documents.
And there are conservative Protestant religions that don't think Catholics are Christian.
“838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."
Not what I asked, nice dodge.I'm not a Catholic. In any event, most Catholics are NOT in agreement with all of Catholic theology.
Not what I asked, nice dodge.
The Catholic Church has a mature and complex theology which necessarily supplements the scriptures. It isn’t “all over the place.”Thanks for sharing.
The Catholic Catechism is all over the place, so to speak, in trying to make sense of their own theology versus what the scriptures state. Essentially, the Catholic Church created its own gospel when they created the Catechism. The scriptures were inspired by God, not the Catechism.
Yes we are sharing. You came up with an idea that because the catholic church have one document then catholics must consider it to be true. My response to any catholic who does believe that is to ask do they also believe these other documents to be true and if not why not.I didn't know that we were in an argument. I thought we were just sharing information and ideas. If you like I'll refrain from responding further to you in this thread and award you the victory. Is that what you want?
Then does that not beg the question of are many catholics actually catholics.In any event, most Catholics are NOT in agreement with all of Catholic theology.
You have much to learn young padawan. The first question is why you believe there is a choice to be made between the documents.Yes we are sharing. You came up with an idea that because the catholic church have one document then catholics must consider it to be true. My response to any catholic who does believe that is to ask do they also believe these other documents to be true and if not why not.
Who knows what God thinks?Doesn't matter what other people think, it's what Jehovah God thinks that matters...
Then tell me sidious, Is there no choice in this matter. To accept one document you must accept all no matter how ludicrous.You have much to learn young padawan. The first question is why you believe there is a choice to be made between the documents.
That depends on what you mean by “all.” For example, the “doctrine of discovery” you referred to was a series of papal bulls that were nullified by the Church in the 16th century. So no, they don’t have to be accepted.Then tell me sidious, Is there no choice in this matter. To accept one document you must accept all no matter how ludicrous.
The Catholic Church patterned itself after the feudal system: The Pope as King, Cardinals are Princes of the Church, then you have a descending order of nobility, archbishops, bishops....Thanks for sharing.
The Catholic Catechism is all over the place, so to speak, in trying to make sense of their own theology versus what the scriptures state. Essentially, the Catholic Church created its own gospel when they created the Catechism. The scriptures were inspired by God, not the Catechism.
The Catholic Church and the Feudal System were modeled on the Divine and Natural Orders.The Catholic Church patterned itself after the feudal system: The Pope as King, Cardinals are Princes of the Church, then you have a descending order of nobility, archbishops, bishops....
Yet they still hold true for many americans who see no reason to compensate the indigenous of their country. And still today many so called christians in america want america to be a christian country. The documents may have been nullified bit that does not mean they are not still believed in.That depends on what you mean by “all.” For example, the “doctrine of discovery” you referred to was a series of papal bulls that were nullified by the Church in the 16th century. So no, they don’t have to be accepted.
The terms you set are what Catholics must believe not what anyone wants to believe.Yet they still hold true for many americans who see no reason to compensate the indigenous of their country. And still today many so called christians in america want america to be a christian country. The documents may have been nullified bit that does not mean they are not still believed in.
And?Transubstantiation is still held to be true which makes catholics cannibals. It also gives rise to the idea that jesus was not speaking metaphorically at the last supper when saying Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Every time I look into Christianity the process reaffirms my atheism.
You're defending the feudal system?The Catholic Church and the Feudal System were modeled on the Divine and Natural Orders.
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