Absolute, unmitigated failure.

[Hamish Howl]

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Many Europeans are asking if Americans even care about their people's own health, as they have watched in astonishment at the world's most powerful country faltering in its response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Italians, Germans and residents of other European nations who were hit the hardest by the coronavirus outbreak in February said they are disappointed, saddened and even frightened by the United States' COVID-19 response. Public health experts and everyday residents said they "always saw America as a model" for the world, but the pandemic has exposed a country with horrendous infrastructure and no coherent public health system.

They're not wrong.

 

[dave8383]

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They're not wrong.

No, they're not wrong. I'm dazed by how far our status has fallen over the last 3 years, and now this.

 

[Metric Mouse]

It's depressing how the United States has declined for the past two decades. Hopefully we can improve over the next two.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It's depressing how the United States has declined for the past two decades. Hopefully we can improve over the next two.

Don't create a false equivalency. Prior to Trump taking office, we still had one of the highest per-capita GDPs on earth, we still were the world's only superpower, and most importantly, we had not lost over 160,000 Americans in just 4 months. We are a nation that has less than 5% of the world's population, a population density that is not that high and thus not conducive to rapid disease spread, yet we lead the world in Covid-19 deaths. Don't pretend we would be in this situation with any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 40 years or more.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Don't create a false equivalency. Prior to Trump taking office, we still had one of the highest per-capita GDPs on earth, we still were the world's only superpower, and most importantly, we had not lost over 160,000 Americans in just 4 months. We are a nation that has less than 5% of the world's population, a population density that is not that high and thus not conducive to rapid disease spread, yet we lead the world in Covid-19 deaths. Don't pretend we would be in this situation with any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 40 years or more.

Ummm... other than Covid deaths, has any of the other stats changed?

And yes, New York and Mass. and New Jersey have killed more people than most of Europe. It's awful and the United States should have handled it better, without question.

 

[RAMOSS]

Ummm... other than Covid deaths, has any of the other stats changed?

And yes, New York and Mass. and New Jersey have killed more people than most of Europe. It's awful and the United States should have handled it better, without question.

Our GDP plummeted

the respect others had for the USA evaporated.

But we spent so much on a wall

 

[bomberfox]

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They're not wrong.

We are a completely atomized country. We just dont care about others. Its why we are still so coup hungry to install US friendly ghouls in latin america.

 

[Noodlegawd]

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They're not wrong.

Quite a few European countries still have higher deaths per capita than the US.

 

[Hamish Howl]

We are a completely atomized country. We just dont care about others. Its why we are still so coup hungry to install US friendly ghouls in latin america.

We're not even really a country anymore. We're "us" and "Those other ****ers over there."

 

[Hamish Howl]

Our GDP plummeted

the respect others had for the USA evaporated.

But we spent so much on a wall

BIG BEAUTIFUL concrete WALL. OR FENCE.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, they're not wrong. I'm dazed by how far our status has fallen over the last 3 years, and now this.

It's almost as if populist temper tantrums had consequences.

 

[Torus34]

Quite a few European countries still have higher deaths per capita than the US.

Hi!

That depends upon whether you're citing totals or the present number per day.

The US and Germany have been fighting the pandemic for about the same amount of time. Yet, a day or two ago, the US had over 20 times, repeat, over 20 times the number of Covid-assigned deaths than did Germany. That's on a death per unit of population basis.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

 

[Cardinal]

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They're not wrong.

Our horrendous health care system was camouflaged by excellent leadership during past epidemics. It’s fair to say previous presidents sidestepped the reality of that system entirely. But a terrible health care system combine with nonexistent leadership during a real crisis caused it all to snap like a twig.

 

[Cardinal]

It's almost as if populist temper tantrums had consequences.

This is the lesson of Venezuela.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Hi!

That depends upon whether you're citing totals or the present number per day.

The US and Germany have been fighting the pandemic for about the same amount of time. Yet, a day or two ago, the US had over 20 times, repeat, over 20 times the number of Covid-assigned deaths than did Germany. That's on a death per unit of population basis.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

I'll give you Germany, although I find it pretty interesting that you'd cherry-pick the one country that probably has had the very best results, hands down, and the most disciplined population in Europe.

Meanwhile, new cases are on the rise in Germany and the UK, and dramatically spiking in Spain.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Our GDP plummeted

the respect others had for the USA evaporated.

But we spent so much on a wall

Yes, but are we still not the richest country on the planet as well as the world's only superpower? Not even Trump could mess that up.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes, but are we still not the richest country on the planet as well as the world's only superpower? Not even Trump could mess that up.

Actually, USA is number 12 Qatar, China, Singapore: Top 25 richest countries in the world

 

[iguanaman]

Don't create a false equivalency. Prior to Trump taking office, we still had one of the highest per-capita GDPs on earth, we still were the world's only superpower, and most importantly, we had not lost over 160,000 Americans in just 4 months. We are a nation that has less than 5% of the world's population, a population density that is not that high and thus not conducive to rapid disease spread, yet we lead the world in Covid-19 deaths. Don't pretend we would be in this situation with any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 40 years or more.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

 

[ReubenSherr]

Many Europeans are asking if Americans even care about their people's own health, as they have watched in astonishment at the world's most powerful country faltering in its response to the coronavirus pandemic.

This is because CNN is broadcast all over the Europe, they are embarassing the hell out of us.

We had 554 deaths yesterday, nationwide. Our death rate is lower than a majority of countries in the European Union.

And our economic numbers are looking a lot better than most as well. It's all a balancing act.

 

[iguanaman]

I'll give you Germany, although I find it pretty interesting that you'd cherry-pick the one country that probably has had the very best results, hands down, and the most disciplined population in Europe.

Meanwhile, new cases are on the rise in Germany and the UK, and dramatically spiking in Spain.

Our national response to the virus was the WORST in the world and the virus took advantage. What you call "spiking" is like 100 cases and they are quickly traced and eliminated. Trump's failure was epic in proportions.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

 

[iguanaman]

This is because CNN is broadcast all over the Europe, they are embarassing the hell out of us.

We had 554 deaths yesterday, nationwide. Our death rate is lower than a majority of countries in the European Union.

And our economic numbers are looking a lot better than most as well. It's all a balancing act.

Only a member of Trumps death cult could make those statements. We have over 20% of the deaths in the world with 4% of the population.

 

[Torus34]

I'll give you Germany, although I find it pretty interesting that you'd cherry-pick the one country that probably has had the very best results, [Bold face mine] hands down, and the most disciplined population in Europe.

Meanwhile, new cases are on the rise in Germany and the UK, and dramatically spiking in Spain.

Hi!

Here in the US, the total deaths ascribed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus pandemic stands at about 165,000. It's continuing at roughly 1,000 deaths each day.

If we, you and I, agree that this is a situation which should be addressed, where better to seek guidance on how to reduce the deaths going forward than a country that has done and is continuing to do just that?

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

 

[ReubenSherr]

We have over 20% of the deaths in the world with 4% of the population.

That's an extremely misleading stat. You're counting all the countries in the Southern Hemisphere that were experiencing summer when the pandemic hit.

20% of our deaths, BTW, were in NYC, where an incompent, arrogant governor failed to shut down businesses a week earlier as SF had. And neglected to make sure his hospitals were prepared.

 

[iguanaman]

That's an extremely misleading stat. You're counting all the countries in the Southern Hemisphere that were experiencing summer when the pandemic hit.

20% of our deaths, BTW, were in NYC, where an incompent, arrogant governor failed to shut down businesses a week earlier as SF had. And neglected to make sure his hospitals were prepared.

Passing blame is not a rebuttal. No one did anything against Trumps direction. Why didn't Trump tell Cuomo to shut things down earlier? He is in charge of the country and had the SAME info that told other countries to shut down but did nothing but tell us it "was under control".

The Oxford index shows that 14 days from the date of the 15th confirmed case in each country — a vital early window for action — the U.S. response to the outbreak lagged behind the others by miles. The U.S. stringency score of 5.7 at that point was 25% of Australia’s (23), 23% of Germany’s (25), 18% of Singapore’s (32), and only 15% of South Korea’s (38).
Due to exponential viral spread, our delay in action was devastating. In the wake of the U.S. response, 117,858 Americans died in the four months following the first 15 confirmed cases. After an equivalent period, Germany suffered only 8,863 casualties. Scaling up the German population of 83.7 million to America’s 331 million, a U.S.-sized Germany would have suffered 35,049 Covid-19 deaths. So if the U.S. had acted as effectively as Germany, 70% of U.S. coronavirus deaths might have been prevented.

Seventy percent, though, is the most conservative estimate. Scaled-up versions of South Korea, Australia, and Singapore would have experienced 1,758, 1,324, and 1,358 deaths, respectively, in the four months after 15 cases were confirmed in each country. Had we handled the coronavirus as effectively as any of these three countries, roughly 99% of the 117,858 U.S. Covid-19 deaths might have been averted

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

 

[Metric Mouse]

Actually, USA is number 12 Qatar, China, Singapore: Top 25 richest countries in the world

Well, if one moves the goalposts form GDP to GNI, then one would have that answer, I suppose.