Abramoff-linked Rep. withdraws from re-election bid (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

With all the investigations, and indictments of his staff, it was only a matter of time for Bob Ney. He has now quit. He has pulled out of his Congressional race, and his political career has ended.

Good riddance. Another corrupt politician bites the dust.

Article is here.

 

[Navy Pride]

With all the investigations, and indictments of his staff, it was only a matter of time for Bob Ney. He has now quit. He has pulled out of his Congressional race, and his political career has ended.

Good riddance. Another corrupt politician bites the dust.

Article is here.

Yeah he is a crook and did the right thing..........My question for you is why don't dem crooks like Jefferson do the same thing?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Yeah he is a crook and did the right thing..........My question for you is why don't dem crooks like Jefferson do the same thing?

Because some politicians (and party doesn't matter) are supreme dirtbags who only care about themselves and do not give a rat's a$s about their constituents, their party or anything else except their own personal gain.

Jefferson is like DeLay, a complete dirtbag scumdog who deserves to have his butt kicked the hell out of Congress and straight into jail. Maybe he and DeLay can share a cell?

 

[Captain America]

Why don't we start a thread on Jefferson instead of trying to divert the attention away from Ney by hijacking this one?

Look! Over there! It's Michael Jackson! In Aruba!

Don't look behind the curtain!

Nothing to see here folks. Move along! :rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

Because some politicians (and party doesn't matter) are supreme dirtbags who only care about themselves and do not give a rat's a$s about their constituents, their party or anything else except their own personal gain.

Jefferson is like DeLay, a complete dirtbag scumdog who deserves to have his butt kicked the hell out of Congress and straight into jail. Maybe he and DeLay can share a cell?

The difference is Delay a Republican had the class to resign, Jefferson a Democrat has not............

 

[Navy Pride]

Why don't we start a thread on Jefferson instead of trying to divert the attention away from Ney by hijacking this one?

Look! Over there! It's Michael Jackson! In Aruba!

Don't look behind the curtain!

Nothing to see here folks. Move along! :rofl

As and old country boy I would say what is good for the goose is good for the gander but I know you don't believe that my liberal buddy......:roll:

 

[26 X World Champs]

The difference is Delay a Republican had the class to resign, Jefferson a Democrat has not............

Gee a classy crook! Are you as dumb as your post sounds?

 

[Navy Pride]

Gee a classy crook! Are you as dumb as your post sounds?

He did step down didn't he? Did Jefferson? You do the math.........

 

[26 X World Champs]

He did step down didn't he? Did Jefferson? You do the math.........

Dude there's no such thing as a "classy" crook, especially one who is a public servant and entrusted by the people to protect the people and then misuses that trust for his own personal gain.

Both men smell like $hit...and both men are pieces of $hit...I find both equally disgusting and dispicable and will not judge one better than the other when both are criminal bastards.

 

[danarhea]

Dude there's no such thing as a "classy" crook, especially one who is a public servant and entrusted by the people to protect the people and then misuses that trust for his own personal gain.

Both men smell like $hit...and both men are pieces of $hit...I find both equally disgusting and dispicable and will not judge one better than the other when both are criminal bastards.

Good post, and I agree. How about a hand also for Navy Pride for his attempt at misdirection. You can know a true political syncophant by the excuses he makes, and the finger pointing at others, to justify what the man he supports is doing, no matter how criminal those acts are. I have always wondered, and still wonder, whether NP is a freeper.

 

[RightinNYC]

The difference is Delay a Republican had the class to resign, Jefferson a Democrat has not............

I don't know if "class" is the word I would use to describe his decision to step down. "Political expediency" might be a bit more apt.

Of course, now that he's going to be running again, I guess everything's back up in the air.

What a thorougly cluster****ed election season this is going to be.:mrgreen:

 

[Navy Pride]

Dude there's no such thing as a "classy" crook, especially one who is a public servant and entrusted by the people to protect the people and then misuses that trust for his own personal gain.

Both men smell like $hit...and both men are pieces of $hit...I find both equally disgusting and dispicable and will not judge one better than the other when both are criminal bastards.

Dude I did not call him a classy crook, I said he did the classy thing to step down for the betterment of his party.........

 

[RightinNYC]

Dude there's no such thing as a "classy" crook, especially one who is a public servant and entrusted by the people to protect the people and then misuses that trust for his own personal gain.

Both men smell like $hit...and both men are pieces of $hit...I find both equally disgusting and dispicable and will not judge one better than the other when both are criminal bastards.

Not to get too far off topic on this, but the different reactions are at least worth a mention. Delay resigned, ostensibly so that it would take the focus off of the party considering the charges against him. Cunningham resigned/went to jail, because of the charges against him. Ney has now announced that he is not running again, due to the focus that these charges have placed on him.

Yet Jefferson, who by all rights has significantly more evidence proving his guilt than either Delay or Ney, remains in the race. If having Delay in the race this fall was going to be so distracting because of the corruption claims that it forced him out, why haven't the Dems pressured Jefferson to step down to avoid the same? Jefferson's fraud is easily on the same level/certainty as Cunninghams, and Mollohan's is arguably as bad as/worse than Delay or Ney's.

I'm just confused why the Reps were so quick to push Delay and Ney to drop out, while the Dems are not pressuring Jefferson or Mollohan in the same way.

And before anyone suggests it, it's not because the Reps are "more moral" or "doing the right thing" or anything equally ridiculous as that. Both parties are simply self-interested creatures looking to get power, but apparently the Reps saw something in this issue that the Dems didn't, or vice versa.

 

[Navy Pride]

I don't know if "class" is the word I would use to describe his decision to step down. "Political expediency" might be a bit more apt.

Of course, now that he's going to be running again, I guess everything's back up in the air.

What a thorougly cluster****ed election season this is going to be.:mrgreen:

Like I told champs it was the classy thing to do for the republican party..

 

[RightinNYC]

Dude I did not call him a classy crook, I said he did the classy thing to step down for the betterment of his party.........

He didn't step down because he wanted to, he stepped down because he was stepped on. It's all fun and games to play politics and declare that you'll fight the good fight until you're faced with the very real possibility of million dollar legal bills or jail. In that scenario, you want every friend you can get, and thus do what you're told by your superiors. There was a significant quid pro quo/arm-twisting going on before he agreed to leave.

 

[Navy Pride]

Not to get too far off topic on this, but the different reactions are at least worth a mention. Delay resigned, ostensibly so that it would take the focus off of the party considering the charges against him. Cunningham resigned/went to jail, because of the charges against him. Ney has now announced that he is not running again, due to the focus that these charges have placed on him.

Yet Jefferson, who by all rights has significantly more evidence proving his guilt than either Delay or Ney, remains in the race. If having Delay in the race this fall was going to be so distracting because of the corruption claims that it forced him out, why haven't the Dems pressured Jefferson to step down to avoid the same? Jefferson's fraud is easily on the same level/certainty as Cunninghams, and Mollohan's is arguably as bad as/worse than Delay or Ney's.

I'm just confused why the Reps were so quick to push Delay and Ney to drop out, while the Dems are not pressuring Jefferson or Mollohan in the same way.

And before anyone suggests it, it's not because the Reps are "more moral" or "doing the right thing" or anything equally ridiculous as that. Both parties are simply self-interested creatures looking to get power, but apparently the Reps saw something in this issue that the Dems didn't, or vice versa.

Agreed but some liberal a few post back said the republicans were more corrupt.........I say there is plenty of corruption to go around.......

 

[RightinNYC]

Agreed but some liberal a few post back said the republicans were more corrupt.........I say there is plenty of corruption to go around.......

??

I don't see where anyone said that Republicans were more corrupt. In fact, I saw this, from Champs of all people:

Both men smell like $hit...and both men are pieces of $hit...I find both equally disgusting and dispicable and will not judge one better than the other when both are criminal bastards.

It doesn't get more equal opportunity hating than that. Nobody in this thread has claimed that this virus is limited to Republicans, or even that they are more prone to it. Let's not make things needlessly partisan in one of the few threads where we managed to avoid it for a whole 9 posts.

 

[Captain America]

I think the dems are more concerned about their own careers than they are of the good of their party. They think too independantly. Not enough "lockstep" on their side of the aisle. They are not as willing to "take one for the team" in my humble opinion. Even Lieberman is considering running as an independant if he doesn't get what he wants.

You gotta ask yourself regarding ALL politicians. If they are smart and charismatic enough to get elected to high offices, they are also smart enough not to settle for that kinda pay. But, also, you gotta ask yourself, how come they have millions of dollars with such a relatively, (compared to an equally educated CEO's making millions per year) low paying job?

I think to be a sucessful politician these day, you first must be a very savvy crook. Repugnant-cans or democRATS. It don't matter. A crook is a crook.

 

[Navy Pride]

He didn't step down because he wanted to, he stepped down because he was stepped on. It's all fun and games to play politics and declare that you'll fight the good fight until you're faced with the very real possibility of million dollar legal bills or jail. In that scenario, you want every friend you can get, and thus do what you're told by your superiors. There was a significant quid pro quo/arm-twisting going on before he agreed to leave.

Well it begs to be asked why don't the dems twist Jefferson's arm to step down?

 

[Captain America]

Well it begs to be asked why don't the dems twist Jefferson's arm to step down?

Dude, the democrat party is in such disarray, they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. As long as they continue playing by Queens rules, and do not adapt to Rove style guerilla tactics, they are going to have their arse handed to them again and again.

The ONLY way I see them winning anything is not because of who they are but because of who they ain't.

 

[danarhea]

Well it begs to be asked why don't the dems twist Jefferson's arm to step down?

Because the Democrats cannot see the forest for the trees. Same for the Republicans. Dont forget that, when Delay violated ethics rules on several occasions, the GOP modified the rule that members of Congress could not hold positions of importance if they were reprimanded for ethics violations, or if they were under Criminal indictment. A lot of pressure was put on the Republican party itself to change that rule back, and Republicans resisted until they had no other choice.

As for the Democrats, the Jefferson episode has not been burning as long as the Delay episode, and like the GOP, the Dems wont go after their own guy until they have no choice, just as what happened with Delay and the Republicans. However, I predict that Jefferson will go down. Like the GOP with Delay, the Democrats will resist until political expediency demands they do the right thing.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Like I told champs it was the classy thing to do for the republican party..

Jesus! How can you be blindly loyal, naive or just plain dumb? If you think DeLay resigned to do right by the GOP then you are totally clueless to the American political system.

DeLay was told what he must do, he didn't have a choice. I applaud the GOP for making him quit, it was a smart political move aimed at keeping what would otherwise be a very Republican seat.

Jefferson should resign, today, no excuses. If he quits today or soon NP does that make it a classy act for the Democratic Party as you claim? I seem to recall that DeLay refused to resign for more than a year before he was forced out (proof? He ran and won the primary last March but didn't resign until June).

The fact that you're so prejudiced against anyone who is not a dyed in the wool Republican is what makes your fingers type the nonsense that you post. It certainly can't be rational reasoning because in case you've not noticed not one single person in this forum agrees with you that DeLay is a classy crook and he resigned on his own free will for the good of the GOP! You live in some bizarro world fantasy land....ever see the movie Pleasantville? You live in the part of the film that was shot in Black & White, aka Fantasy Land. When the world became colored in the film for the most part Fantasy Land was replaced by Reality Land (Hollywood style, of course, this is a metaphor.

I doubt that you have a clue as to what I mean NP, but I see you living in a Black & White world that hates change, can't accept change, fights change and refuses to accept reality no matter how many times it is staring you in the face...Shrinks might call that living in denial, but I'm not a shrink so I will just call it as I see it, a totally disturbing fantasy world that has no room for debate...sort of ironic that you spend so much time here since you never actually debate you only post and repost the same sorry a$s talking points day after day after day after day....

This thread is a perfect example....you claim that DeLay did the "classy" thing by resigning then when challenged by everyone else who understands that DeLay did no such thing and that he's a low-life criminal like the other Reps who are in deep $hit you cut and run and back pedal to pretend that you meant that his act was "classy" (which it was not)....yet you still haven't condemned DeLay one time in this forum...how come NP? Why won't you write that he's a major league as$hole who deserves to have butt locked in jail along with the other politicians who break the law....

As a matter of fact I've noticed that you like to write BS talking points like "innocent until proven guilty" but you only apply that standard to Republicans...for you Democrats or non-Americans are not equal and do not deserve the same consideration...that is what's known in my part of the world as being biased, prejudiced and in certain instances (i.e. Gay rights), bigoted...

 

[26 X World Champs]

Well it begs to be asked why don't the dems twist Jefferson's arm to step down?

DeLay didn't quit until after he was indicted...had he not been indicted he would not have quit. Ney quit because he will be indicted and will either lose the election because of it or will have to be replaced by a special election...either way a much bigger risk for the GOP.

Jefferson will be forced to resign...but his district is SO heavily Democratic that even under indictment the GOP have no chance of winning that seat so even if he is forced by legal circumstances to resign after the election a special election would still put another Democrat in that seat and that is the essence of the different logics being employed in each Congressional district...the end result will be that all of these crooks will be out of office sooner or later...party affiliation has nothing to do with this issue other than in strategizing by district what is individually the wisest for the party...

 

[Navy Pride]

Because the Democrats cannot see the forest for the trees. Same for the Republicans. Dont forget that, when Delay violated ethics rules on several occasions, the GOP modified the rule that members of Congress could not hold positions of importance if they were reprimanded for ethics violations, or if they were under Criminal indictment. A lot of pressure was put on the Republican party itself to change that rule back, and Republicans resisted until they had no other choice.

As for the Democrats, the Jefferson episode has not been burning as long as the Delay episode, and like the GOP, the Dems wont go after their own guy until they have no choice, just as what happened with Delay and the Republicans. However, I predict that Jefferson will go down. Like the GOP with Delay, the Democrats will resist until political expediency demands they do the right thing.

Come on, Jefferson got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.........they found 90,000 dollars in his freezer....the FBI searched his officer............this guy should be history.....why don't the scumbag dems ditch him?

 

[Navy Pride]

DeLay didn't quit until after he was indicted...had he not been indicted he would not have quit. Ney quit because he will be indicted and will either lose the election because of it or will have to be replaced by a special election...either way a much bigger risk for the GOP.

Jefferson will be forced to resign...but his district is SO heavily Democratic that even under indictment the GOP have no chance of winning that seat so even if he is forced by legal circumstances to resign after the election a special election would still put another Democrat in that seat and that is the essence of the different logics being employed in each Congressional district...the end result will be that all of these crooks will be out of office sooner or later...party affiliation has nothing to do with this issue other than in strategizing by district what is individually the wisest for the party...

Ok here we go again:

Well it begs to be asked why don't the dems twist Jefferson's arm to step down?