About Breonna Taylor's death...

[Questerr]

Which is one of the best arguments against socialism in general. The police are a socialist institution, whereas doctors work in the private sphere. You will never have any sort of meaningful accountability under socialism.



That doesn't work either, again, because you are punishing cops that didn't do it.

"Police are a socialist institution" might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

 

[NWRatCon]

"Police are a socialist institution" might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

Stick around. You'll read a lot of such idiocy.

 

[aociswundumho]

"Police are a socialist institution" might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

Police are public ownership/control of the means of production regarding security.

Did you think they were capitalist?

 

[Robertinfremont]

It's definitely a tragic case. The police are totally responsible for her death. The warrant should not have been issued. And it was poorly executed.

But I don't see any criminal actions by officers who executed the warrant. It seems that the boyfriend didn't know they were police and fired at them. They fired back.

Of course, they are totally incompetent. Why are they spraying bullets everywhere? How is it that they didn't shoot the man who was shooting at them but shot Breonna Taylor?

All of this is incompetence but not criminal? The family already received civil compensation.

Does anyone see any criminality in the police's actions?

(Not getting Miss Taylor prompt medical assistance but it appears she had no chance of surviving)

Does not matter what I believe, the DA has the authority over this.

 

[Logical1]

The boy friend should be tried for murder, simple as that.

 

[Questerr]

Police are public ownership/control of the means of production regarding security.

Did you think they were capitalist?

So you're saying Republicans are pro-socialism? Name a capitalist society without police in any form.

 

[aociswundumho]

So you're saying Republicans are pro-socialism?

For some things, yes, unfortunately. I have no idea why so many Republicans are pro-police. If gun confiscation ever comes to America, these stupid donut munching cops will be the ones going door to door, just like they did during Katrina.

Name a capitalist society without police in any form.

All governments are based on force, violence, and coercion. Police, in one form or another, are obviously necessary.

 

[Questerr]

For some things, yes, unfortunately. I have no idea why so many Republicans are pro-police. If gun confiscation ever comes to America, these stupid donut munching cops will be the ones going door to door, just like they did during Katrina.



All governments are based on force, violence, and coercion. Police, in one form or another, are obviously necessary.

And Capitalism cannot exist without a government to enforce laws and police private property rights. So Capitalism needs "socialism" to exist apparently.

 

[aociswundumho]

And Capitalism cannot exist without a government to enforce laws and police private property rights.

No.

Consider the massive international illegal drug market. For these drugs, governments do not recognize any property rights and will confiscate any illegal drugs they come across. It's a market where no government will adjudicate disputes between buyers and sellers. It's a market where every government on the planet is actively trying to destroy it. Yet it continues to hum along year after year.

 

[Questerr]

No.

Consider the massive international illegal drug market. For these drugs, governments do not recognize any property rights and will confiscate any illegal drugs they come across. It's a market where no government will adjudicate disputes between buyers and sellers. It's a market where every government on the planet is actively trying to destroy it. Yet it continues to hum along year after year.

So the ideal Capitalist world is one as violent as the international drug trade? Where your rights only exist when you are awake and have a gun in your hand?

 

[aociswundumho]

So the ideal Capitalist world is one as violent as the international drug trade?

No.

The illegal drug trade is violent for the same reason alcohol prohibition was violent, and it has nothing to do with capitalism or markets.

Where your rights only exist when you are awake and have a gun in your hand?

No, that's how it is now. The supremes have ruled repeatedly that the police have no obligation whatsoever to protect you or your rights. In fact, the biggest violator of your rights, by far, is the state itself.

 

[Questerr]

No.

The illegal drug trade is violent for the same reason alcohol prohibition was violent, and it has nothing to do with capitalism or markets.



No, that's how it is now. The supremes have ruled repeatedly that the police have no obligation whatsoever to protect you or your rights. In fact, the biggest violator of your rights, by far, is the state itself.

It has everything to do with property rights in those uncontrolled markets being totally unprotected. Free market capitalism requires a government to protect property rights.

They may call those police "private security contractors", but in that respect they would be better off calling them "a feudal lord's household troops". Because that's what true unregulated capitalism turns into: feudalism.

The Supremes have repeatedly ruled that the police have no obligation to protect the rights of regular people. The police go out of their way to protect the property rights of the rich, which is all Capitalism wants.