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Val, you desperately need to use this instead of making lame comments like that:Sue your government for it.
Val, you desperately need to use this instead of making lame comments like that:Sue your government for it.
The real world, Val. You should try living in it for a while. It would be quite an education for you.where do you get this information from?
The ethical side on the abortion debate is to be pro-choice, since denying a living, breathing adult a viable option in favor of "protecting" something not even born is unethical.Yes, I know that there's a dedicated abortion forum, but that doesn't mean that we can't attack it from a slightly different tack, i.e. ethics.
As usual, the topic was first brought up in another thread, but it seemed like it needed its own thread. Here's the history:
At which point I asked if he thought that atheists didn't have ethics.
His reply:
And I then asked him these questions:
No, I'm not pro-abortion. I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion.
And even if I was, would that mean that all atheists are pro-abortion?
And are there any self-described religious people that are pro-choice? And if they are, does that mean that they don't have any moral or ethical values? And who assigned you as the person to make that determination?
I then added a couple of more questions:
Is a zygote a future human and is it unethical to end the pregnancy at that point Also: What are the ethics of bringing an unwanted child into the world?
His reply:
So basically he is saying that anyone who is "pro-abortion" is not moral/ethical and that most atheists are pro-abortion, ergo atheists are not ethical.
Your thoughts?
Sanctimony is very much a part of a "belief and skeptic forum" and you're over your head in it.This is the belief and skeptics forum...political forums are thataway...
Don't go away mad...just go away...Sanctimony is very much a part of a "belief and skeptic forum" and you're over your head in it.
Slave wages is nothing at all. I don't support education costs. I voted against expensive healthcare. And I don't care about race so who the hell are you talking to?
Of coure you'd have to misinterpret my disgust for your sanctimony as anger. Lying to yourself about what you are is key to that sanctimony. People whose whole life is based on lies to everyone else need lie to themselves that they're the pious and righteous ones.Don't go away mad...just go away...
lol...in your dreams...Of coure you'd have to misinterpret my disgust for your sanctimony as anger. Lying to yourself about what you are is key to that sanctimony. People whose whole life is based on lies to everyone else need lie to themselves that they're the pious and righteous ones.
Abortion is indeed a very contentious issue, but it should nevertheless remain safe and legal and as few as possible for those women who do not want to bring an unwanted child into the world. I say it time and again: if a person is truly against abortion, then they should contribute to Planned Parenthood. There is no organization as good at providing birth control for those who might otherwise not have it due to economic circumstances than PP. the number of abortions that they thereby PREVENT is untold.
because it is murder and rots a society
Disagreeing with you is not a danger to you unless you're that much of a snowflake.You need to go live on a desert isle somewhere so that your Neanderthal attitudes are no danger to others.
You beat me too it. That's what I was going to say. I'll add this. S/he is not worth arguing with.smallvoice's comments are idiotic on an epic level.
No doubt, all aspects of our society are devolving. From the pollution ..to the crime rate ..to the politics.
We are decaying from the inside out.
The living and breathing adult should have controlled her sexual desires or whatever desire led her to have sexual intercourse without accepting the possible consequences.The ethical side on the abortion debate is to be pro-choice, since denying a living, breathing adult a viable option in favor of "protecting" something not even born is unethical.
Does rape not exist in your world? What about incest? What about simply not wanting another child or any child at all actually but still enjoying sex?The living and breathing adult should have controlled her sexual desires or whatever desire led her to have sexual intercourse without accepting the possible consequences.
Yes, I know that there's a dedicated abortion forum, but that doesn't mean that we can't attack it from a slightly different tack, i.e. ethics. As usual, the topic was first brought up in another thread, but it seemed like it needed its own thread.
What are the ethics of bringing an unwanted child into the world?
Your thoughts?
The scientific evidence, then, shows that the unborn is a living individual of the species Homo sapiens, the same kind of being as us, only at an earlier stage of development. Each of us was once a zygote, embryo, and fetus, just as we were once infants, toddlers, and adolescents.
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There are many ethical issues with abortion and reproduction that need discussion. Unfortunately, pro-life advocates and leaders say, abortion is murder of a human being and refuse any further intelligent or meaningful discussion. It is my belief that when you refuse to discuss an issue you have a hidden agenda that you do not want revealed.
Not born doesn't make it any less human and alive, this is what you fail to understand. Your political liberal perspective on abortion is disappointing ..science says otherwise when not payed off.. Its interesting if not unfortunate to see you pulling away from science for political reasons.
On this issue you come across as bit like Sherlock, instead of superstition you cling to politics as the truth ..your shift away from science is noted.
The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn childr
Before we can know how to treat unborn children (an ethical question), we must know what they are biologically. This is a question of science. Here's what science tells us about the unborn. Why the unborn is a human being When a sperm successfully fertilizes an oocyte (egg), a new cell, called a...www.mccl.org
watsup said]
There are many ethical issues with abortion and reproduction that need discussion. Unfortunately, pro-life advocates and leaders say, abortion is murder of a human being and refuse any further intelligent or meaningful discussion. It is my belief that when you refuse to discuss an issue you have a hidden agenda that you do not want revealed.
Not born doesn't make it any less human and alive, this is what you fail to understand. Your political liberal perspective on abortion is disappointing ..science says otherwise when not payed off.. Its interesting if not unfortunate to see you pulling away from science for political reasons.
On this issue you come across as bit like Sherlock, instead of superstition you cling to politics as the truth ..your shift away from science is noted.
The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn childr
Before we can know how to treat unborn children (an ethical question), we must know what they are biologically. This is a question of science. Here's what science tells us about the unborn. Why the unborn is a human being When a sperm successfully fertilizes an oocyte (egg), a new cell, called a...www.mccl.org
More unwanted children helps society?
watsup said]
There are many ethical issues with abortion and reproduction that need discussion. Unfortunately, pro-life advocates and leaders say, abortion is murder of a human being and refuse any further intelligent or meaningful discussion. It is my belief that when you refuse to discuss an issue you have a hidden agenda that you do not want revealed.
Not born doesn't make it any less human and alive, this is what you fail to understand. Your political liberal perspective on abortion is disappointing ..science says otherwise when not payed off.. Its interesting if not unfortunate to see you pulling away from science for political reasons.
On this issue you come across as bit like Sherlock, instead of superstition you cling to politics as the truth ..your shift away from science is noted.
The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn childr
Before we can know how to treat unborn children (an ethical question), we must know what they are biologically. This is a question of science. Here's what science tells us about the unborn. Why the unborn is a human being When a sperm successfully fertilizes an oocyte (egg), a new cell, called a...www.mccl.org
Does rape not exist in your world? What about incest? What about simply not wanting another child or any child at all actually but still enjoying sex?
An objective, fact-based report describing the day-by-day development of the unborn child, with each fact sourced by a reference to the scientific and medical literature. The facts show the unborn child quickly develops the organs and systems that a newborn has. It moves like a newborn ..it has senses, It can learn. The author concludes that the unborn child must be a human life and invites interested persons to consider the scientific data.
You need to take this concern of yours up with the persons who cause unwanted children. They are the problem, not the innocent children.
That still, small voice that says: He’s right!
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"What about simply not wanting another child" aborting the fetus for that reason is murder plain and simple. Science says different and your ignorance of the scientific facts for political reasons is suprising.
Science for Unborn Human Life
www.sfuhl.org
Not my post, but I will respond anyway.
Just because a sperm unites with an egg does not give that “life” the “right” to become a fully developed human being. Anti-abortion extremists will even claim that the morning-after pill should be prohibited which is, of course, totally ridiculous.
And so given the stages of life from initial egg implantation to birth, the question then becomes at what point should that life become inviolable? The most accepted answer legally is at “viability”, the potential for the life to live basically on its own outside the womb.
Given that, I still prefer the least number of legal abortions possible, which is why I support the efforts of Planned Parenthood to provide birth control education and means to those women of lesser economic means.