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it should be and it should be a lot more influential
Nope religion should be outlawed. It's followers mocked and ridiculed for all time. **** religious nutters.
 

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That is hardly a good source, It is biased, unreasonable and hateful.
Yeah, the truth hurts. It merely shows, and quite clearly, that the vast majority of abortions are done for convenience. That minuscule percent that are driven by medical necessity lays the pro-abortion lie out in the open.
Do YOU have data that refutes it? It did come from the actual PP agency that keeps up with those tragic numbers.


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STAGES of life. An acorn is not an oak. A zygote is not a fully formed human being. This is clear science.
Exactly, not fully formed, in the early stages. It doesn't make the acorn any less valuable than the oak tree. The small undeveloped acorn is easier to disregard
and step on. An acorn has an inherent tendency to grow into an oak tree, so that the tree exists by nature rather than by craft or by chance.
 

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Yeah, the truth hurts. It merely shows, and quite clearly, that the vast majority of abortions are done for convenience. That minuscule percent that are driven by medical necessity lays the pro-abortion lie out in the open.
Do YOU have data that refutes it? It did come from the actual PP agency that keeps up with those tragic numbers.


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No, truth doesn't hurt. Other people's stupidity does though. And people who use extremist sites that lie certainly are not using intelligence.
 

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Everybody prefers the least number of abortions. But is requiring women and their families to go ahead and give birth to children they can't afford and are uncertain they can handle the best way to do that. What do you think the chances that child will grow up whole, happy and contributing to society?

How about putting the money you would save by not bringing children into uncertain and underfunded families into better education, more counseling and reduced prices for the most effective women's contraceptives; the IUD and hormonal implants.
The good news is abortions numbers continue to fall. The decline in abortions appears to be related to declines in births and pregnancies overall. Woman in the workplace are choosing to delay child birth with some choosing not to have children at. In 2020 more Caucasians are dying than being born.

Total abortions in the US
2016: 623,471
2015: 638,169
2014: 652,639
2013: 644,435
2012: 699,202
2011: 730,322
2010: 765,651
2009: 789,217
2008: 825,564
2007: 827,609
2006: 852,385
2000: 857,475
1995: 1,210,883
1990: 1,429,247
1985: 1,328,570
1980: 1,297,606
 

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THere are no negative effects of abortion on society.

If there are, please list some.
What a ridiculous statement .. society is impacted physically, emotionally and psychologically by abortion ..thankfully we aren't that cold.
 

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What a ridiculous statement .. society is impacted physically, emotionally and psychologically by abortion ..thankfully we aren't that cold.
In what way are we physically, emotionally and psychologically wounded by abortion. Exactly how would it be better to ban abortions and have hundreds of thousands of worn out, impoverished, resentful parents and hundreds of thousands of additional unplanned, unwanted, unloved, uncared for children in our society?

Forced parenthood does not make a happy, emotionally stable, financially secure society no matter how many times you tell parents having a baby they can't afford is what God wants them to do.
 

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It’s a libertarian fantasy world when everything in living comes down to just making decisions and no emotions are involved in actions such as sex.
The science of copulation between humans is first and foremost, by our nature, is to perpetuate the species. Your reference to emotion speaks volumes about liberals who think feelings trump responsibility ..we'll just clean up the mess afterwards. However, abortion numbers in the US continue to fall with Caucasian women, that's a good thing.
 

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In what way are we physically, emotionally and psychologically wounded by abortion. Exactly how would it be better to ban abortions and have hundreds of thousands of worn out, impoverished, resentful parents and hundreds of thousands of additional unplanned, unwanted, unloved, uncared for children in our society?

Forced parenthood does not make a happy, emotionally stable, financially secure society no matter how many times you tell parents having a baby they can't afford is what God wants them to do.
Its not your call.
 

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Its not your call.

Is it yours? How could it possibly be for a woman that you don't even know and are unaware of her circumstances? What gives you the right to tell her what do do in that situation? Other than the height of arrogance, that is. The belief that you, through the government, should be allowed to protrude into her personal life.
 

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Exactly, not fully formed, in the early stages. It doesn't make the acorn any less valuable than the oak tree. The small undeveloped acorn is easier to disregard
and step on. An acorn has an inherent tendency to grow into an oak tree, so that the tree exists by nature rather than by craft or by chance.
So you can cut down an acorn and use it for firewood? Really?
 

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The science of copulation between humans is first and foremost, by our nature, is to perpetuate the species. Your reference to emotion speaks volumes about liberals who think feelings trump responsibility ..we'll just clean up the mess afterwards. However, abortion numbers in the US continue to fall with Caucasian women, that's a good thing.
So sex is an act of pure reasons without any emotions or desires entering into it?
 

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What a ridiculous statement .. society is impacted physically, emotionally and psychologically by abortion ..thankfully we aren't that cold.
Please be specific. I believe you are wrong....so you'll have to prove it.

Again, there are no negative effects of abortion on society....please prove otherwise if you disagree.
 

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What a ridiculous statement .. society is impacted physically, emotionally and psychologically by abortion ..thankfully we aren't that cold.
I happen to agree with you on that. The less legal and safe abortions the better. But it would also be a detriment to society to have the government make demands on a woman who is making a very important choice in her life. Like you want to do.
 

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I don't want it to be legal. I want it to be banned with the exception of real reasons and I don't care how miserable it makes you.
Do you believe that God gave man free will to follow Him?
Then how can you believe in making laws to force His Word on man? He gave us the free will to choose to follow Him or not. It goes against God's Will then, to usurp His Authority and force His Word on man, using man's laws.

He chose not to force us to follow His Laws, granting us free will. So then how do you justify overriding His Will?
 

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it should be and it should be a lot more influential
How can you believe in making laws to force His Word on man? He gave us the free will to choose to follow Him or not. It goes against God's Will then, to usurp His Authority and force His Word on man, using man's laws.

He chose not to force us to follow His Laws, granting us free will. So then how do you justify overriding His Will?

That would be a huge sin of arrogance and disobedience to His Word.
 

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I am pro-choice. But someone being pro-life isn't anti-woman. It is being pro-unborn children. I respect their motives. I don't agree with them - except for partial birth abortions (killing a fetus just before birth unless the woman's life is at stake or the fetus is unviable to reasonably survive after birth.)
 

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How can you believe in making laws to force His Word on man? He gave us the free will to choose to follow Him or not. It goes against God's Will then, to usurp His Authority and force His Word on man, using man's laws.

He chose not to force us to follow His Laws, granting us free will. So then how do you justify overriding His Will?

That would be a huge sin of arrogance and disobedience to His Word.
we can make laws for him too
 

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No, that's the opposite of our having free will to follow Him. We are to follow Him of our own free will, not thru force by man.

It seems you are poorly informed.
 

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No, that's the opposite of our having free will to follow Him. We are to follow Him of our own free will, not thru force by man.

It seems you are poorly informed.
we have the free wil to force his laws
 

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The good news is abortions numbers continue to fall. The decline in abortions appears to be related to declines in births and pregnancies overall. Woman in the workplace are choosing to delay child birth with some choosing not to have children at. In 2020 more Caucasians are dying than being born.

Total abortions in the US
2016: 623,471
2015: 638,169
2014: 652,639
2013: 644,435
2012: 699,202
2011: 730,322
2010: 765,651
2009: 789,217
2008: 825,564
2007: 827,609
2006: 852,385
2000: 857,475
1995: 1,210,883
1990: 1,429,247
1985: 1,328,570
1980: 1,297,606
It is related to the increase in long term effective birth control.
 

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we have the free wil to force his laws
No...please show me in the Bible where God gives man that authority? That is His Authority and He gave us all free will to choose to follow Him and His Laws or not.

Nowhere does it say 'man' can take away that choice. If it does....where? Let's see.

Edit: yes individual men have the the free will to force THEIR will, misusing God's Name, on others. And it's a sin and goes against God's Will. Heck, the Catholic cult has been doing it for hundreds of years.
 

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The good news is abortions numbers continue to fall. The decline in abortions appears to be related to declines in births and pregnancies overall. Woman in the workplace are choosing to delay child birth with some choosing not to have children at. In 2020 more Caucasians are dying than being born.
Interesting. Can you please source the bold?

Also, if it's true, is there a reason that is a problem, regarding Caucasians?
 
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