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Abortion: Yes Death Penalty: NO (1 Viewer)

25hook

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What the hell are people thinking.....I find it fascinating that people actually are FOR abortion and euthanasia but are against the death penalty. I think that morally these people are dead and that they should be euthanised. How disgusting the thought of taking the life of an unborn child unless it is absolutely necessary to protect the mother's own life. And how disgusting the thought of killing my parents when they get older so I dont have to be burdened with taking care of them. Ya know, they did take care of me when I couldnt myself. Maybe I could see euthanasia for terminally ill people that have a will to go to hell...but I'm guessing its a pretty heavy sin to kill yourself regardless of your condition....but OH NO! it is SOOO wrong to take the life of a man that rapes and murders children....that is just inhumane. Why dont we ensure them a life in prison at the cost of taxpayer dollars...and the dems call the reps Fiscally irresponsible....
 
25hook said:
What the hell are people thinking.....I find it fascinating that people actually are FOR abortion and euthanasia but are against the death penalty. I think that morally these people are dead and that they should be euthanised. How disgusting the thought of taking the life of an unborn child unless it is absolutely necessary to protect the mother's own life. And how disgusting the thought of killing my parents when they get older so I dont have to be burdened with taking care of them. Ya know, they did take care of me when I couldnt myself. Maybe I could see euthanasia for terminally ill people that have a will to go to hell...but I'm guessing its a pretty heavy sin to kill yourself regardless of your condition....but OH NO! it is SOOO wrong to take the life of a man that rapes and murders children....that is just inhumane. Why dont we ensure them a life in prison at the cost of taxpayer dollars...and the dems call the reps Fiscally irresponsible....


Most people are not FOR abortion, but they are for the right of the woman to make the choice. Secondly, capital punishment actually costs more than life-time imprisonment. Yes it's cheap to shoot a bullet through their heads, but we need to execute them in a "humane" way, and the paperwork isn't cheap.

The same argument can also be said to those who are FOR the death penalty and against abortion. They value life so much, so that's why they support the taking of the lives of others?
 
Now Come on....if you arent FOR abortion then you wouldnt be FOR the mother's choice...that is just a stupid comment. If a person were against abortion....BUT they were for the mother's choice....that person is pretty much saying "go ahead and kill the bastards!" Dont condone Pro-Choicers by making it sound like they dont agree with abortion but agree with the mother being able to mercilessly slaughter her unborn child if she wants...it goes hand in hand. Second of all, the same arguement can be made for those FOR abortion and against the death penalty....but that arguement would be just retarded. How many unborn children do you know that have hacked up whole families....how many unborn children do you know that have killed a man, cut him up, put him in the freezer and lost the need to go grocery shopping for awhile? Pretty much those people would be saying "we have GOT to kill these unborn children because they are going to take the fun out of my life and give me responsiblilities that I am not mature enough to handle because I'm a selfish piece of crap, BUT how DARE you say that man should die for eating 42 women after raping them for 4 hours apiece...that man is a human being!" Screw that, yes it is cheap to put a bullet in their head and its no less humane that the electric chair. I think they should go back to oldschool hangings. That was cheap, quick and painless....too bad if someone gets too fat and it pulls the head off...like they felt that. Damn society these days and its stupid rights to people in dumbass areas. This country is going to hell fast and its a shame to see because I love it so much....thanks to groups like the ACLU.....what demons.
 
I gotta tell you.. I have never met anyone that was pro-abortion. And for you to lamely try and attatch the pro-abortion (which does not exsist) and pro-choice (which does) pathetic.

A woman having the choice or the right to an abortion does not mean she is going to have that abortion. But she does have the right to do with her body what she see fit. And should be able to do so legally without you trying to lay your corrupted morals on her.
 
In one regard I admit that you are correct though. The cost of Death appears to be significantly greater than a life term. Only because of the appeals process though which is good because you obviously want to avoid killing innocents. Maybe Ill have to consider a change in stance on the Death penalty...only because of the money involved. but thats the only place I will change my stance...euthanasia and abortion will always be evil.
 
My corrupted Morals? hahaha and sucking the brains out of a fetus is not a corrupted moral? screw that crap "its not about her doing it its about her being able to have the choice!" that is just stupid! why would people care if they have the choice unless they intend on using it. All I guess I can hope for is a nice seat in hell and constant sounds of a baby crying to drive said woman mad for the rest of her life. Give me a break.....my corrupted morals! HAHAAH
 
25hook said:
My corrupted Morals? hahaha and sucking the brains out of a fetus is not a corrupted moral? screw that crap "its not about her doing it its about her being able to have the choice!" that is just stupid! why would people care if they have the choice unless they intend on using it. All I guess I can hope for is a nice seat in hell and constant sounds of a baby crying to drive said woman mad for the rest of her life. Give me a break.....my corrupted morals! HAHAAH


Ya .. your "Corrupted morals" is a pretty accurate view I think. "Do things my way or your going to hell". Sounds like the standard christian brainwashing. Both my fiancee and mother are pro-choice yet have never had an abortion. I know a pretty good number of woman all of which are pro-choice yet I don't see them off performing the act. Some would never have an abortion, but that is a choice they have made for themselves. They still see the use of having a right to choose what one person does with there body.

If your theory here is "If you want the choice your going to use it" then your very sad. Obviously we need to rewrite the whole constitution. Because there is no way we can have a right to bear arms, obviously if you have a gun we are going to use it. There are 2 sides of a choice, and you get to pick which is best for you. How self righteous do you have to be to dictate what I can and can not choose. Or even what I will or will not choose. I make choices everyday, without them my world stops.
 
Pro-choicers are proponents of the woman's -choice-, afterall they are the ones who are going to have to deal with it for the rest of their lives.

Pro-abortion would be the folks who would hand you pamplets when you're walking out of a prenatal check up, pushing for you to get an abortion.

As for death penalty, it really depends on the severity of the crime. I would be pretty disturbed if someone was put to death for stealing a coinpurse. But if it's a serial killer, well I don't really care either way. My question is, How do you justify the killing of people when you claim to hold such a high appreciation for human life :roll:
 
25hook said:
What the hell are people thinking.....I find it fascinating that people actually are FOR abortion and euthanasia but are against the death penalty. I think that morally these people are dead and that they should be euthanised. How disgusting the thought of taking the life of an unborn child unless it is absolutely necessary to protect the mother's own life. And how disgusting the thought of killing my parents when they get older so I dont have to be burdened with taking care of them. Ya know, they did take care of me when I couldnt myself. Maybe I could see euthanasia for terminally ill people that have a will to go to hell...but I'm guessing its a pretty heavy sin to kill yourself regardless of your condition....but OH NO! it is SOOO wrong to take the life of a man that rapes and murders children....that is just inhumane. Why dont we ensure them a life in prison at the cost of taxpayer dollars...and the dems call the reps Fiscally irresponsible....

One is terminating the life of an entirely non-sentient being with no emotional attatchments whatsoever, the other is mercilessly killing a grown adult.

It'd be more appropriate to ask why people would eat meat and be for the death penalty.

Though there are other factors to the death penalty than killing someone in any non-self defense scenario being unjust.
 
fetus: a being with either extremely limited or no sentience.
convict on death row: a person with thoughts, feelings, and possibly spirituality.

2 very different things.
 
I think you should have the right to go thru with an abortion if u want to.
If youre even thinking about an abortion u should do it, because no child should live and have to be unwanted.

Death penaltys is not right at all. I think the criminals suffer more in there locked in for a long time instead of getting killed.
 
25hook said:
What the hell are people thinking.....I find it fascinating that people actually are FOR abortion and euthanasia but are against the death penalty. I think that morally these people are dead and that they should be euthanised. How disgusting the thought of taking the life of an unborn child unless it is absolutely necessary to protect the mother's own life. And how disgusting the thought of killing my parents when they get older so I dont have to be burdened with taking care of them. Ya know, they did take care of me when I couldnt myself. Maybe I could see euthanasia for terminally ill people that have a will to go to hell...but I'm guessing its a pretty heavy sin to kill yourself regardless of your condition....but OH NO! it is SOOO wrong to take the life of a man that rapes and murders children....that is just inhumane. Why dont we ensure them a life in prison at the cost of taxpayer dollars...and the dems call the reps Fiscally irresponsible....

You do realize....You're Making Baby Jesus Cry....Right?
 
25hook said:
. All I guess I can hope for is a nice seat in hell and constant sounds of a baby crying to drive said woman mad for the rest of her life.
Well, I'm assuming that Satan would be pro-choice in your world too, so I'm sure all the babies would already have been aborted. Problem solved. :2razz:
 
What the hell are people thinking.....I find it fascinating that people actually are FOR abortion and euthanasia but are against the death penalty.

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but what I'm thinking is that people on death row do not crawl inside another person's body and take up residence there against that person's will, commandeer the use of their vital organs, and subsist by leeching nutrients and bodily resources from the unwilling person whose body they are inhabiting.
If they did so, then I would support their forcible removal, even if said removal resulted in their death.
Nobody- born or unborn, guilty or innocent- has the right to inhabit the body of an unwilling host.
Every human being has the right to sovereignty over their own body. Bodily sovereignty is a fundamental human right. It includes the right of each one of us to decide whether and when to donate bodily resources; for instance, whether to donate blood, or bone marrow, or a kidney. I assume most people do not wish to be forced to donate these things against their will, despite the fact that there are others out there who need them and will die without them.
It also includes, among other things, the right to decide, without outside interference, whether and when to eat, drink, sleep, go to the bathroom, and- for females- gestate and birth a zygote, embryo, or fetus.
If you are male, I assume you would not like someone commandeering the use of your body against your will; I assume you would not like someone forcibly preventing you from, say, relieving your bowels when you felt like it. Or forcing you to do it when you did not feel like it. If the government tried to pass laws dictating whether and when you were allowed to (or forced to) perform this intimate bodily function, I assume you'd take issue to that.
It would be a violation of your privacy, for starters. You'd be embarrassed, disgusted, and angry that those in authority would dare infringe upon your human rights that way. You'd feel violated, persecuted: especially if the law only applied to you, because of your gender, and no such law was implemented against females.
That's pretty much how women are feeling now, what with this monstrous invasion of the State into their human rights and their access to reproductive health care.

But, back on topic: Since criminals on death row are able to survive autonomously, not attaching themselves to the bodies of others nor extracting bodily resources from others against their will, it seems to me that life imprisonment effectively neutralizes the danger they present to society by removing them from said society permanently, and that there is no valid justification for killing them.
In point of fact, although they may have hurt others, killed others, grossly violated the rights of others in the past, once they are locked up in prison, they are no longer able to do so anymore. At least in theory.
Therefore, their continued existence harms no one, and does not justify killing them. I do not consider "revenge for past misdeeds", however heinous those deeds might've been, to be a valid justification for killing someone.
 
1069 said:
Well, I can't speak for everyone, but what I'm thinking is that people on death row do not crawl inside another person's body and take up residence there against that person's will, commandeer the use of their vital organs, and subsist by leeching nutrients and bodily resources from the unwilling person whose body they are inhabiting.
If they did so, then I would support their forcible removal, even if said removal resulted in their death.
Nobody- born or unborn, guilty or innocent- has the right to inhabit the body of an unwilling host.
Every human being has the right to sovereignty over their own body. Bodily sovereignty is a fundamental human right. It includes the right of each one of us to decide whether and when to donate bodily resources; for instance, whether to donate blood, or bone marrow, or a kidney. I assume most people do not wish to be forced to donate these things against their will, despite the fact that there are others out there who need them and will die without them.
It also includes, among other things, the right to decide, without outside interference, whether and when to eat, drink, sleep, go to the bathroom, and- for females- gestate and birth a zygote, embryo, or fetus.
If you are male, I assume you would not like someone commandeering the use of your body against your will; I assume you would not like someone forcibly preventing you from, say, relieving your bowels when you felt like it. Or forcing you to do it when you did not feel like it. If the government tried to pass laws dictating whether and when you were allowed to (or forced to) perform this intimate bodily function, I assume you'd take issue to that.
It would be a violation of your privacy, for starters. You'd be embarrassed, disgusted, and angry that those in authority would dare infringe upon your human rights that way. You'd feel violated, persecuted: especially if the law only applied to you, because of your gender, and no such law was implemented against females.
That's pretty much how women are feeling now, what with this monstrous invasion of the State into their human rights and their access to reproductive health care.

But, back on topic: Since criminals on death row are able to survive autonomously, not attaching themselves to the bodies of others nor extracting bodily resources from others against their will, it seems to me that life imprisonment effectively neutralizes the danger they present to society by removing them from said society permanently, and that there is no valid justification for killing them.
In point of fact, although they may have hurt others, killed others, grossly violated the rights of others in the past, once they are locked up in prison, they are no longer able to do so anymore. At least in theory.
Therefore, their continued existence harms no one, and does not justify killing them. I do not consider "revenge for past misdeeds", however heinous those deeds might've been, to be a valid justification for killing someone.

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Welcome to the forum. I hope you stick around.
 
Calm2Chaos said:
Ya .. your "Corrupted morals" is a pretty accurate view I think. "Do things my way or your going to hell". Sounds like the standard christian brainwashing.

Well, I think 25hook, although a little intense, is right and being against abortion or "woman's choice" (<-- as you so fastidiously put it) does not make him/her a religious fanatic. Furthermore, your distinction between supporting abortion and "supporting a woman's choice" is a VERY lame one. It's like saying, "yeah, I don't support murder but i think a person should be able to murder with impunity."
But, hey, what would I know? I'm just a silly, brainwashed Christian.

For the assertion that abortion kills fetuses and not people, I turn to the Bible:
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you; before you were born, I sanctified you." (Jer 1:5)

I understand that a lot of people don't believe what I believe, but you can't really expect me to change my stance on abortion. It's a direct contradiction to my faith.
 
I don't think that abortion is wrong, even though I'm religious. I belive that it's better than bringing an unwanted life into the world. I know it sounds like murder for the parent's convenience, but it's the best for the child too.
 
Lena said:
I don't think that abortion is wrong, even though I'm religious. I belive that it's better than bringing an unwanted life into the world. I know it sounds like murder for the parent's convenience, but it's the best for the child too.

aaaah the "Abortion is best for the child who is unwanted spiel. What a load of horse manure. First off you can't possibly know that. There are tons of kids with horrible parents that if asked would choose to live vs. be killed because they have horrible parents.

Secondly there are waiting lists filled with couples who'd like to adopt healthy babies so to say "abortion is best for the unwanted child" assumes that it is impossible for the child to be wanted which is a lie. It also assumes that having a dr. kill the baby growing in your womb is easier than being pregnant 9 months which it very well might be so why not just admit that and say:

Abortion: it's easier than pregnancy and best for the mother who doesn't want to be pregnant!
 
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talloulou said:
aaaah the "Abortion is best for the child who is unwanted spiel. What a load of horse manure. First off you can't possibly know that. There are tons of kids with horrible parents that if asked would choose to live vs. be killed because they have horrible parents.

Secondly there are waiting lists filled with couples who'd like to adopt healthy babies so to say "abortion is best for the unwanted child" assumes that it is impossible for the child to be wanted which is a lie. It also assumes that having a dr. kill the baby growing in your womb is easier than being pregnant 9 months which it very well might be so why not just admit that and say:

Abortion: it's easier than pregnancy and best for the mother who doesn't want to be pregnant!

Okay.

Abortion: it's easier than pregnancy and best for the mother who doesn't want to be pregnant.
 
CoffeeSaint said:
Okay.

Abortion: it's easier than pregnancy and best for the mother who doesn't want to be pregnant.
Much harder statement to argue with.
 
I'm not super-against the death penalty so I have a hard time imagining this, and I agree it is quite hypocritical. But at the same time a fetus that is UNWANTED and just a couple of weeks old seems to me like not such a big deal in comparison to, say, a 50-year old man who may have killed one person, but who has a wife and kids. In that case I am all for abortion and a little against the death penalty.

It varies from case to case basically - I don't think this topic is something that one should have only one opinion about.
 

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