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Abortion sends people to heaven sooner.

The distinction I’m making is that fetuses aren’t babies or even “people” yet. A simple fact of science that is also incorporated into our Constitution.

Are they human beings?
 
Are they human beings?
1 U.S. Code § 8.“Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
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(a)
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
(Added Pub. L. 107–207, § 2(a), Aug. 5, 2002, 116 Stat. 926.)
 
1 U.S. Code § 8.“Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
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(a)
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
(Added Pub. L. 107–207, § 2(a), Aug. 5, 2002, 116 Stat. 926.)

You cited science earlier. This citation is law, not science. Are fetuses human beings according to science?
 
You cited science earlier. This citation is law, not science. Are fetuses human beings according to science?

"Human being" is a social construct, not a scientific one. Society bestows that status upon live birth.
 
You cited science earlier. This citation is law, not science. Are fetuses human beings according to science?
To begin with, fetuses and human beings, by definition, are not the same things.

fetus
fe·tus | \ ˈfē-təs \

Definition of fetus

: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kindspecifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth


human being
Pronunciation /hjuːmənˈbiːɪŋ/
NOUN
A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

As for science;
From conception through birth, no recognized medical or biological text describes the developing fetus, at any stage, as a “human being”.

Not here;
or here;
or here;
etc., etc., etc., ....

Why? Because fetuses are not human beings.
 
being pro life is too idealistic and emotional

sure it would be great if every baby could be born. but thats a fantasy.

in the real world we need to be more practical

abortion in the first 4 months should be allowed. after that not allowed.

this is the best of both worlds. we have practicality and emotion

but nothing is ever good enough for some people who just want to bitch bitch bitch
Yeah, those pesky people who stand up for the most vulnerable of all humans are REAL nuisance.
 
Skip this whole mess and go straight to paradise.
The problem here is, even if this was true, it would prevent individuals from living life to begin with, so if one believes life on earth worth living (which it presumably is), then one's ultimate eternal fate would have no bearing on the concerns of them being deprived of life in the here and now.

(By the same logic, we should kill the children of atheists, since if they grow up they might end up embracing the atheism of their parents).
 
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