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Abortion is murder.

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Ormblomma said:
And the souls of the dead children will haunt the guilty.

Well, not particularly original, but at least you came straight to the point without quoting biblical scripture.
 

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What anti-abortionists seem to forget is that very often, foetuses are aborted because the baby would not have any quality of life - perhaps due to severe poverty, or an illness/disability which would severely handicap the child.

Personally, i'm all for abortion. I believe that women should be given the right to decide, whether society likes it or not If the Christian Right is so worried about abortion 'murder', then they dont need to have abortions! Its like gay marriages - why do the religious oppose it? Its not like the entire population will go to 'hell' if they actually allow two people to love each other is it?
 

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Ormblomma said:
And the souls of the dead children will haunt the guilty.

Hmmm, maybe THAT'S why my dog is so jumpy tonight--all the fetus souls floating around...
 

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God, smite them! Smite Them!...He's a-cooking-a something up!

Seriously, you think that those who are for abortion take you seriously after this post, here's a hint. We don't. Now run because he fetus souls are chasing you.
 

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The souls of millions aborted are reborn as muslims to conquer Europe as an revenge for them being refused to live here.
 

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So now, not only are people who have abortions evil, now all muslims are too. I love these blanket statements. Why don't you include all the people who like Disturbed while we are at it, or the Mexican immigrants.

Actually...come to think of it...that would kinda be hillarious...a ton of babies marching in rows going againts the amries of democracy...no what am I saying, that is stupid.
 

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In Sweden the fascists of equality have slaughtered 15 % of the original population, by legal abortions. It is a remarkable coincidence that the country has about 15 % immigrants which it cannot integrate.

Feminism/socialism is the killer of our culture. It has stopped democratic freedom of speach. Noone is let forward to critisise the feministic/socialistic rulers. This all began in the 60´s when the structure of socialistic opression was formed.
 

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Ormblomma said:
In Sweden the fascists of equality have slaughtered 15 % of the original population, by legal abortions. It is a remarkable coincidence that the country has about 15 % immigrants which it cannot integrate.

Feminism/socialism is the killer of our culture. It has stopped democratic freedom of speach. Noone is let forward to critisise the feministic/socialistic rulers. This all began in the 60´s when the structure of socialistic opression was formed.

Oh, wait...I gotta jump in on this feminism part.

Say that again?
 

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Ormblomma said:
The souls of millions aborted are reborn as muslims to conquer Europe as an revenge for them being refused to live here.
Your disgusting, racist and ridiculous point of view is repulsive. As far as I can see you might want to rethink your position if you fear God so much, because you can bet that if you continue to espouse the way you have that even your "God" will strike you down and doom you to eternal damnation....gee those words are fun to type...maybe that's why religious fanatics like to spit them out at the world?
 

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ShamMol said:
So now, not only are people who have abortions evil, now all muslims are too. I love these blanket statements. Why don't you include all the people who like Disturbed while we are at it, or the Mexican immigrants.

Actually...come to think of it...that would kinda be hillarious...a ton of babies marching in rows going againts the amries of democracy...no what am I saying, that is stupid.

I don't think it's stupid, it sounds like.....

SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER 2006 STARRING WILL SMITH AS HE FACES HIS TOUGHEST ENEMY YET........FETUS SOULS BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF EUROPE!

I'd buy a ticket, and no, I'm not joking.
 

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Ormblomma said:
In Sweden the fascists of equality have slaughtered 15 % of the original population, by legal abortions. It is a remarkable coincidence that the country has about 15 % immigrants which it cannot integrate.

Feminism/socialism is the killer of our culture. It has stopped democratic freedom of speach. Noone is let forward to critisise the feministic/socialistic rulers. This all began in the 60´s when the structure of socialistic opression was formed.

You forgot to mention that in Sweden, the feminists are HOT.

Thus, I cannot oppose them in anything they do, because that would ruin my perfect image of them.

:lol:
 

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I believe the government should not be based on a set of morals but should try to protect its citizens in general. Legalizing abortion is much safer in abortion cases. Why risk 2 people dying when you can only have one? People are going to get an abortion whether they are legalized or not. If they are willing to go as far as abortion, they are willing to do it whether it is legal or not. Legalizing abortion, in the end, saves the most people. Anyway, nowhere in the Constitution does it say the federal government has the power to illegalize personal issues such as these. It should always stay a state issue.

"after the illegalized abortion in January of 1973, the mortality rate fell from 4.1 to 1.1 deaths per 100,000 abortions, a reduction of 73%"
Why is this? Women resort to dangerous street corner abortions, where they are MUCH more likely to die, thus killing both her and the child. When it is legal, it is a much safer practice, and less people die. Outlawing abortion would actually kill more than it would save.
 

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Hornburger said:
I believe the government should not be based on a set of morals but should try to protect its citizens in general. Legalizing abortion is much safer in abortion cases. Why risk 2 people dying when you can only have one? People are going to get an abortion whether they are legalized or not. If they are willing to go as far as abortion, they are willing to do it whether it is legal or not. Legalizing abortion, in the end, saves the most people.

I disagree. 50 million lives since Roe v. Wade. I believe since it is within the law to get an abortion more people don't have a problem doing it. It takes alot of guts to let a doctor put scrapers/tongs/vaccum up your birth canal and destroy that potential life. It takes a hell of alot more to use a coat hanger. I really don't think there would be many home done abortions if Roe v. Wade was reppealed. I believe there would be an increase in the birth rate, and people would practice more safe sex, and people would be more responsible.

Anyway, nowhere in the Constitution does it say the federal government has the power to illegalize personal issues such as these. It should always stay a state issue.

It's not a state issue though... 12 supreme court judges have made the decision for everyone.

"after the illegalized abortion in January of 1973, the mortality rate fell from 4.1 to 1.1 deaths per 100,000 abortions, a reduction of 73%"
Why is this? Women resort to dangerous street corner abortions, where they are MUCH more likely to die, thus killing both her and the child. When it is legal, it is a much safer practice, and less people die. Outlawing abortion would actually kill more than it would save.

Kill more than it saves? 50 million lives? That's quite a statement.
 

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I disagree. 50 million lives since Roe v. Wade. I believe since it is within the law to get an abortion more people don't have a problem doing it. It takes alot of guts to let a doctor put scrapers/tongs/vaccum up your birth canal and destroy that potential life. It takes a hell of alot more to use a coat hanger. I really don't think there would be many home done abortions if Roe v. Wade was reppealed. I believe there would be an increase in the birth rate, and people would practice more safe sex, and people would be more responsible.
Then how come street corner abortions were so common before Roe v. Wade?

It's not a state issue though... 12 supreme court judges have made the decision for everyone.
Well...it should be...lol

Kill more than it saves? 50 million lives? That's quite a statement.
Yes, and I think if abortion was made illegal more would die. If it doesn't kill more than it saves, how come the mortality rate regarding abortions decreased after Roe v. Wade?
 

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Hornburger said:
Then how come street corner abortions were so common before Roe v. Wade?

Really? Show me a single source that has the number of "street corner abortions"


Yes, and I think if abortion was made illegal more would die. If it doesn't kill more than it saves, how come the mortality rate regarding abortions decreased after Roe v. Wade?

The mortality rate "statistic" you put forth above, even if it was supported by facts or believeable, counts mortality of the mothers. What about the children? Their mortality rate for them stays pretty constant.

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Hornburger said:
Then how come street corner abortions were so common before Roe v. Wade?

How common were they? How common are abortions today? Probably more common than the back alley abortions you speak of.

Yes, and I think if abortion was made illegal more would die. If it doesn't kill more than it saves, how come the mortality rate regarding abortions decreased after Roe v. Wade?

Kohlberg's moral development. Any stage 4(law-abiding) individual will be okay with what the government says. Sadly, stages 3(best for self) and 4 are where most people reside on the morality scale.

I don't think that there would be more people dead as a result of illegal/backalley abortions if Roe v. Wade was repealed. I think more people would have kept their babies. If you can show me a source showing otherwise, I would love to see those findings.
 

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26 X World Champs said:
Originally Posted by Ormblomma
The souls of millions aborted are reborn as muslims to conquer Europe as an revenge for them being refused to live here.

Your disgusting, racist and ridiculous point of view is repulsive. As far as I can see you might want to rethink your position if you fear God so much, because you can bet that if you continue to espouse the way you have that even your "God" will strike you down and doom you to eternal damnation....gee those words are fun to type...maybe that's why religious fanatics like to spit them out at the world?


Wait a minute... I thought it was a joke...
 

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The mortality rate "statistic" you put forth above, even if it was supported by facts or believeable, counts mortality of the mothers. What about the children? Their mortality rate for them stays pretty constant.

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All I'm saying is that the law would not change people's lives whether to get the abortion or not. The mothers would go and get the abortion whether it is illegal or not. If you are willing to go through with such a procedure and kill a baby, people would have the will strong enough to do it whether or not it is illegal. And making it legal only makes the process safer.

How common were they? How common are abortions today? Probably more common than the back alley abortions you speak of.
When there is in need of a business and money to be made, the aborters will be there. There were street corner abortions because there was a demand for the business, and no matter what you do, the aborters will never go away.
 

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Hornburger said:
All I'm saying is that the law would not change people's lives whether to get the abortion or not. The mothers would go and get the abortion whether it is illegal or not. If you are willing to go through with such a procedure and kill a baby, people would have the will strong enough to do it whether or not it is illegal.

That's NOT true. Any evidence to back that claim up? Do you know how many people don't do things nowadays because it's illegal? When they made smoking in bars illegal, and punishable with fines, it ended smoking in bars. The argument "if people want to smoke in bars they will do it anyones" didn't carry through because the fine outweighed the risk. If abortions were illegal, and carried a penalty of jail time, perhaps people would think of options like adoption, or, god forbid, be a bit more cautious when having sex.

And making it legal only makes the process safer.

Actually, I dont think it does. Look at it this way. You claimed

"after the illegalized abortion in January of 1973, the mortality rate fell from 4.1 to 1.1 deaths per 100,000 abortions, a reduction of 73%"

Even if I believed that statistic, think of this. There were 50,000,000 abortions since then. At a rate of 1.1 per 100,000, that gives us 550 deaths of mothers. Say abortion had remained illegal, and a full 25% of the women who were contemplating abortions decided to follow through anyways (probably even smaller than that). That would give us 4.1 per 100,000 on 12,500,000, which is 512 deaths. So we'd be saving 38 mothers and 37,500,000 children.

Not so bad, eh?

When there is in need of a business and money to be made, the aborters will be there. There were street corner abortions because there was a demand for the business, and no matter what you do, the aborters will never go away.

The same is true of everything: drugs, prostitution, murder, terrorism. Does that mean they should all be illegal? A far stronger argument could be made for drug legalization than abortion under that same premise.
 

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That's NOT true. Any evidence to back that claim up? Do you know how many people don't do things nowadays because it's illegal? When they made smoking in bars illegal, and punishable with fines, it ended smoking in bars. The argument "if people want to smoke in bars they will do it anyones" didn't carry through because the fine outweighed the risk. If abortions were illegal, and carried a penalty of jail time, perhaps people would think of options like adoption, or, god forbid, be a bit more cautious when having sex.
umm...good point lol...I'll have to look into how many abortions took place before Roe v. Wade and after it, because I'm not sure...hehe
 

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RightatNYU said:
That's NOT true. Any evidence to back that claim up? Do you know how many people don't do things nowadays because it's illegal? When they made smoking in bars illegal, and punishable with fines, it ended smoking in bars. The argument "if people want to smoke in bars they will do it anyones" didn't carry through because the fine outweighed the risk. If abortions were illegal, and carried a penalty of jail time, perhaps people would think of options like adoption, or, god forbid, be a bit more cautious when having sex.



Actually, I dont think it does. Look at it this way. You claimed



Even if I believed that statistic, think of this. There were 50,000,000 abortions since then. At a rate of 1.1 per 100,000, that gives us 550 deaths of mothers. Say abortion had remained illegal, and a full 25% of the women who were contemplating abortions decided to follow through anyways (probably even smaller than that). That would give us 4.1 per 100,000 on 12,500,000, which is 512 deaths. So we'd be saving 38 mothers and 37,500,000 children.

Not so bad, eh?



The same is true of everything: drugs, prostitution, murder, terrorism. Does that mean they should all be illegal? A far stronger argument could be made for drug legalization than abortion under that same premise.



I live in Indiana. If it became illegal here and I wanted on it's just a few short hours to Canada.
 

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RightatNYU said:
Say abortion had remained illegal, and a full 25% of the women who were contemplating abortions decided to follow through anyways (probably even smaller than that). That would give us 4.1 per 100,000 on 12,500,000, which is 512 deaths.

The same is true of everything: drugs, prostitution, murder, terrorism. Does that mean they should all be illegal? A far stronger argument could be made for drug legalization than abortion under that same premise.

What makes you think that only 25% of the women contemplating abortion would go through with one? I would think the percentage getting an abortion would be much higher because "law abiding" women wouldn't really be contemplating one, now would they?

And for the record, yes, I think marijuana and prostitution should be legalized.
 

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Hornburger said:
umm...good point lol...I'll have to look into how many abortions took place before Roe v. Wade and after it, because I'm not sure...hehe

I doubt you could find a reliable statistic since it was illegal, so who would have kept track?
 
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