I don't need a medical source to "prove" anything. Whatever your view, just be honest--the purpose of an abortion is to kill the fetus. "Stop the pregnancy" or "separate the tissue from the woman" or whatever, just at least be honest. The intent is to kill the problem.
"Oh, no, I don't want to kill; I just want this 'thing' out of my body, and this has absolutely nothing to do with killing this 'thing." Please. At least be honest: This is about killing. Whatever your euphemism, at least woman up and call it what it is: killing the fetus.
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but at least tell the truth: Abortion results in death. If you're square with that, fine--just be upfront and acknowledge the fact.
It's not an abortion if it's already dead. We've been over this, do try to keep up.
If human rights are denied to living humans, then we do not have a civilized republic.
We have the barbarism you support.
mac, this time you are completely wrong. Abortion means the removal of an embryo or a fetus. It means that whether we are talking about humans or cows or pigs. There are sets of specific, named abortion procedures, and doctors and veterinarians select among the procedures the ones that are the most medically appropriate to each particular case, using those procedures for humans on humans, those procedures for cows on cows, etc., those procedures which are medically appropriate by the point in a particular pregnancy, the specific health conditions of the pregnant female, the specific point in development of a particular embryo/fetus, the laws that specifically govern the use of specific procedures, etc.
The reason why DNX can be used in the case of a woman carrying a dead fetus in late-term pregnancy is because the federal law says that if it is used but the fetus is not alive, the procedure is not banned. But this procedure and other abortion procedures are considered in the practice of medicine to be abortion procedures and are labeled as such in medicine.
The removal of an embryo or fetus from the womb when not inducing labor in the expectation that live birth will be thereby effected is called abortion, whether the embryo or fetus is alive or dead. The purpose of abortion has never been to kill the embryo or fetus, even though abortion procedures cause it to die. The purpose is, precisely, its removal from the womb without inducing labor in expectation of live birth.
gotta disagree with you this time...
You just love to be wrong, don't you?
And what is an abortion folks?
A Zygote is not a human being in the sense that it is a person... not by any stretch of the imagination.
A spider is a more evolved being than a human zygote... do you kill bugs?
No. The purpose is NOT to kill the fetus... the purpose is to stop being pregnant. The result is death for the fetus which you state later.
A Zygote is not a human being in the sense that it is a person... not by any stretch of the imagination.
Simply removing the fetus is described by the applicaple medical procedure, D&C, DNX etc. Abortion refers to the removal of a living fetus.
As you point out in the case of the DNX, it is banned (as a partial birth abortion) unless the fetus is already dead. If it is dead, then it is not a partial birth abortion, if it is dead....it is a partial birth abortion.
No, it is a more developed being.
Simply removing the fetus is described by the applicaple medical procedure, D&C, DNX etc. Abortion refers to the removal of a living fetus.
As you point out in the case of the DNX, it is banned (as a partial birth abortion) unless the fetus is already dead. If it is dead, then it is not a partial birth abortion, if it is dead....it is a partial birth abortion.
As I told you, the name of the class of medical procedures such as D&C, DNX, etc., is "abortion procedures." Medical specialists themselves consider the removal of a dead fetus to be abortion. They also call a miscarriage a "spontaneous abortion." Of course, they do not have to use this terminology, and if you ran the AMA, I'm sure they wouldn't. But right now, you are so wrong on this that you became emotional and did not make the distinction between your two content elements in your final sentence, though you apparently intended to do so.
And as I told you, the DNX is banned if the fetus is living. Abortion kills a fetus.
I never disagreed with this statement that DNX is banned in the US if the fetus is living. But DNX is still an abortion procedure that is used to abort a dead fetus. In this case, the fetus is already dead, and DNX is still classed as an abortion procedure, but it is not applied if the fetus is living.
K, abortion kills a fetus.
And then what becomes of the Fetus? Does it go on to college?
Becomes part of the carbon cycle.
Right, it's killed. Abortion kills a human fetus.
I wasn't aware a stillborn could be killed again after it has died.
Your tangent is irrelevant. No one is opposed to removing an already dead fetus, regardless of how you want to apply the word abortion to it. An induced abortion terminates a fetus, while a spontaneous abortion, or miscarriage, occurs naturally.
The discussion was about definition. Abortion doesn't absolutely kill a ZEF but it does absolutely terminate a pregnancy.
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