Abortion: A persons right to choose (1 Viewer)

[Voltaire]

Abortion is a very tricky subject. The very fact that you could have yourself cut open so that your unborn child can be removed is a disturbing one, but I firmly believe that it should be legal. Let's say a girl is raped and the rapist doesn't use a condom then impregnates here. Here reputation could be ruined if she had to carry the fetus around for nine months, not to mention how the child's life might turn out. Abortion is the right of choice. To take away that right could lead to the loss of other rights. If abortion is allowed to pass maybe other less controversial rights will be taken away much easier. Maybe you won't be able to get a tattoo or breast enlargements. Abortion is choice, and freedom of choice is what makes the United States great.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Voltaire,

Ivan The Terrible, Your Master, welcomes you to Debate Politics.

Abortion is a very tricky subject

To tell you the truth I avoid taking about it. But I'll answer here.

Let's say a girl is raped

The law allows for this to happen. I am willing to make an exception for rape. However, I take a Strong stand against abortion. My mind cannot be changed. Sorry.

 

[Voltaire]

Voltaire,

Ivan The Terrible, Your Master, welcomes you to Debate Politics.



To tell you the truth I avoid taking about it. But I'll answer here.



The law allows for this to happen. I am willing to make an exception for rape. However, I take a Strong stand against abortion. My mind cannot be changed. Sorry.

No need to apologize for your personal beliefs. We're all civilized people here.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Voltaire,

No need to apologize for your personal beliefs.

Thank you. I just wanted to let you know that I am just not up for debate on this issue. It's just to personal.

We're all civilized people here.

Not all of us! :rofl But as far as I can tell you are. :mrgreen:

 

[Voltaire]

Voltaire,

Not all of us! :rofl But as far as I can tell you are. :mrgreen:

Thanks:2razz:

 

[ngdawg]

Gets cut open??? Uh, no.....

 

[TheLady]

Abortion is a very tricky subject. The very fact that you could have yourself cut open so that your unborn child can be removed is a disturbing one, but I firmly believe that it should be legal. Let's say a girl is raped and the rapist doesn't use a condom then impregnates here. Here reputation could be ruined if she had to carry the fetus around for nine months, not to mention how the child's life might turn out. Abortion is the right of choice. To take away that right could lead to the loss of other rights. If abortion is allowed to pass maybe other less controversial rights will be taken away much easier. Maybe you won't be able to get a tattoo or breast enlargements. Abortion is choice, and freedom of choice is what makes the United States great.

Your right, someones reputation is much more important, she should have the right to kill her unborn child cause we certaintly wouldn't want her to look bad now would we. how can you compare a tattoo or breast enlargements to abortion? there is no life being ended by those procedures, only the person getting them is affected.

Abortion is choice, and freedom of choice is what makes the United States great.

So shouldn't we be able to choose whether or not we kill anyone? and shouldn't we be able to steal if we want to?after all it is a free country.

 

[TheLady]

Abortion is a very tricky subject. The very fact that you could have yourself cut open so that your unborn child can be removed is a disturbing one, but I firmly believe that it should be legal.

first of all, you may want to educate yourself on how abortions are performed before you debate. The mother is not cut open.

secondley, you sound very hypocrytical, you say that it is very disturbing, but it should be legal?

 

[Proudly Pro Life JP Freem]

Abortion is not Choice and it cheapens the value of life. It steels America future and if it continues we will be forced to speak another language. Our culture will be gone. If that makes America great I'll start buying Mexican Savings Bonds. Less than 1 % of all abortions are performed for rape + incest + the girl's age + Mothers Life is endangered. It is not Choice it is murder a far more serious crime than rape.

 

[The-Technocrat]

Abortion is not Choice and it cheapens the value of life. It steels America future and if it continues we will be forced to speak another language. Our culture will be gone. If that makes America great I'll start buying Mexican Savings Bonds. Less than 1 % of all abortions are performed for rape + incest + the girl's age + Mothers Life is endangered. It is not Choice it is murder a far more serious crime than rape.

What lovely abuse of the slipperly slope without any evidence whatsoever. Apparently, the "vogue" thing to do here in debate is to sling out a bunch of verbose, unsupported statements in an emotional furor.

It's hardly murder; murder is the illegal killing of one human person by another who doesn't want to die. A fetus isn't a person, it cannot "want to" or "not want" to die, and abortion isn't illegal anyway, thus it's not murder in any form. Your accusations are so categorically wrong they are comical.

But to top if off, you bring up the total red herring conspiracy-theory about cultural loss. Oh boo hoo for culture.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Abortion is a very tricky subject. The very fact that you could have yourself cut open so that your unborn child can be removed is a disturbing one, but I firmly believe that it should be legal. Let's say a girl is raped and the rapist doesn't use a condom then impregnates here. Here reputation could be ruined if she had to carry the fetus around for nine months, not to mention how the child's life might turn out. Abortion is the right of choice. To take away that right could lead to the loss of other rights. If abortion is allowed to pass maybe other less controversial rights will be taken away much easier. Maybe you won't be able to get a tattoo or breast enlargements. Abortion is choice, and freedom of choice is what makes the United States great.

How is a girl's reputaion ruined if she carries around a fetus created through a rape?

 

[Voltaire]

How is a girl's reputaion ruined if she carries around a fetus created through a rape?

If she were considered too young or such, but if she were in her mid twentys onward I suppose it would have less of an impact.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

If she were considered too young or such, but if she were in her mid twentys onward I suppose it would have less of an impact.

I don't think that her reputation would be tarnished (seen as promiscuous) regardless of her age if others knew her pregnanacy was the result of a rape.

 

[Jerry]

If she were considered too young or such, but if she were in her mid twentys onward I suppose it would have less of an impact.

A 14 year old who has the grace to allow the life inside her to continue is worthy of song. Her's is the reputation of love and of compassion, which is worthy of the highest respect.

 

[ngdawg]

As the mother of a 14 year old CHILD, I know it would not be grace, worthy of song, yada yada yada....the life of my already here CHILD is worth more than anything and that includes the 'life' iinside her, a product of grievous error, and more than likely violence.
:roll:

 

[Donkey1499]

ya know, I've flipped thru the Bible, been to almost every Bible help book/website/source and I cannot locate anything on Abortion (whether it is good or bad). So I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

Calling women whores is wrong and solves nothing. Murdering the doctors is wrong and solves nothing. Blowing up buildings (is fun... when no one's inside them) solves nothing. So please, fellow Christians stop the unnecessary violence. Remeber WWJD? Let God deal with the Heretics!

 

[doughgirl]

"ya know, I've flipped thru the Bible, been to almost every Bible help book/website/source and I cannot locate anything on Abortion (whether it is good or bad). So I guess it's just a matter of opinion."

God doesn't say child pornography is wrong......and speak about it directly...because he doesnt does that mean He says its ok?

"Calling women whores is wrong and solves nothing. Murdering the doctors is wrong and solves nothing. Blowing up buildings (is fun... when no one's inside them) solves nothing. So please, fellow Christians stop the unnecessary violence. Remeber WWJD? Let God deal with the Heretics!"

Who is calling them whores? Who is murdering abortion doctors. Please site the last time an abortion doctor was killed? And do take into consideration how many abortions are done every minute all over the coutnry.

WWJD? I think He would stand at the abortion centers and peacefully talk to woman. I think He would tell them exactly what He told Mary..........go and sin no more. Do the right thing.
I think He would say.......I created the thing in carry in your womb.......the body is a temple.

And as a Christian I feel it is right that we speak up agaisnt this mass slaughter of Gods little ones. Its to bad you do not feel the same way.


A better question to ask maybe would be what did Jesus do? WDJD?

Ever hear of the Great Commission? What are we suppose to do as followers, sit back and do nothing?

And Jesus brought conviction using the Law of God. The law says, do not kill. Abortion kills does it not?

Such is the case with abortion........I have no idea if you are a Christian or not but if you are.......and one day you stand face to face with God........what will you tell Him if He asks you why you did nothing?

 

[Donkey1499]

God doesn't say child pornography is wrong......and speak about it directly...because he doesnt does that mean He says its ok?




Who is calling them whores? Who is murdering abortion doctors. Please site the last time an abortion doctor was killed? And do take into consideration how many abortions are done every minute all over the coutnry.

WWJD? I think He would stand at the abortion centers and peacefully talk to woman. I think He would tell them exactly what He told Mary..........go and sin no more. Do the right thing.
I think He would say.......I created the thing in carry in your womb.......the body is a temple.

And as a Christian I feel it is right that we speak up agaisnt this mass slaughter of Gods little ones. Its to bad you do not feel the same way.


A better question to ask maybe would be what did Jesus do? WDJD?

Ever hear of the Great Commission? What are we suppose to do as followers, sit back and do nothing?

And Jesus brought conviction using the Law of God. The law says, do not kill. Abortion kills does it not?

Such is the case with abortion........I have no idea if you are a Christian or not but if you are.......and one day you stand face to face with God........what will you tell Him if He asks you why you did nothing?

Hey, I'm against abortion, but blowing up clinics like Eric Rudolph did is insane!

Child pornography is disgusting, and those who do it are retards and a few other expletives.

Why is it MY job to stop the Heretics? What do I care what they do? Let them suffer like Sodom and Gamorrah (LA and SF???). Post someone in front of the clinics, someone like Hosea or Joel. A prophet almost. Let them speak it to the heretics. I'm no prophet, nor am I a priest.

Besides, Jesus also told his Disciples that if they entered into a town and were not welcome that they should kick the dust of that town off of their sandals as an omen to their destruction or something or other. (Luke 9: 1-6)

 

[doughgirl]

“Your right, someones reputation is much more important, she should have the right to kill her unborn child cause we certaintly wouldn't want her to look bad now would we. how can you compare a tattoo or breast enlargements to abortion? there is no life being ended by those procedures, only the person getting them is affected.”

The Lady you just crack me up. I luv it.

Yea and I'm pro-choice……….but oh how I value life in the womb……..I just don’t give a rats…….arze if someone else slaughters them. I'll go on life as usual......

“It's hardly murder; murder is the illegal killing of one human person by another who doesn't want to die. A fetus isn't a person, it cannot "want to" or "not want" to die, and abortion isn't illegal anyway, thus it's not murder in any form. Your accusations are so categorically wrong they are comical.”

Well in your opinion it isn’t. But in mine it is. And who holds the right opinion?

Lmao………the fetus isn’t human, its not a person, its only a little bity tadpole looking thing……..WHOSE HEART JUST HAPPENS TO BE BEATING AND WHO PROBABLY HAS MEASURABLE BRAIN WAVES.

Talk about an answer that is comical.

Does a person who is in a coma want to die, or do they want to live? Are you saying we can just kill them because they cant tell us what they want?

So you tell me…..what it is called when you intentionally stop a heart from beating?

That’s such an easy question its pathetic and they know it.

Slippery slope? For whom may I ask?
Do you mean the unborn who will be dismembered alive? Slippery slope into the bucket on the side of the abortion table. Is that what you mean?

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“But to top if off, you bring up the total red herring conspiracy-theory about cultural loss. Oh boo hoo for culture.”

Boo hoo for cuture? Oh how mature.
If you can’t see that it is a loss of human life, then I really don’t think you will ever get it.

“Let them speak it to the heretics. I'm no prophet, nor am I a priest.”

Hey I am not either. But I feel my presence and others presence at rallys, booths, is for a worthy stance. Can you imagine if every Christian took a stance against abortion? If they did a part to try to overturn our present laws?


I do not believe sitting and doing nothing helps. There are ways to help behind the scene.

Hey I do not condone what Rudolph did in any way. I do not believe in violence of any kind. And as I have said in all the years that I have been a part of Right To Life, and Silent No More, I have yet to see any confrontation. Those are lies being spread from those who are pro-abortion/choice.

 

[tecoyah]

Well in your opinion it isn’t. But in mine it is. And who holds the right opinion?

The primary difference is the implications of said opinion. One expects to place limitations on the ability of the other to have such an opinion in physical practice....the other has no impact on the ability of its opposition to practice the opinion. But, you are correct...both are mere opinion.

 

[Monkey Mind]

It's hardly murder; murder is the illegal killing of one human person by another who doesn't want to die. A fetus isn't a person, it cannot "want to" or "not want" to die, and abortion isn't illegal anyway, thus it's not murder in any form. Your accusations are so categorically wrong they are comical.

Really? That's fascinating. Tell me Technocrat, if a fetus doesn't want to live, then why do they insert amniocentesis needles so slowly?

 

[ngdawg]

Really? That's fascinating. Tell me Technocrat, if a fetus doesn't want to live, then why do they insert amniocentesis needles so slowly?

That is really a ridiculous question....
Maybe because the presumption is that the woman having amniocentesis WANTS the pregnancy??:roll:
Why do you slow down at yield signs?

 

[BodiSatva]

A person should have the right to choose...
An embryo should not, because it can't...

 

[Jerry]

Abortion: A [woman]'s right to choose

...to kill her child on a whim.

Sorry, I can't support that.

 

[Monkey Mind]

That is really a ridiculous question....
Maybe because the presumption is that the woman having amniocentesis WANTS the pregnancy??:roll:
Why do you slow down at yield signs?

You completely missed the point. When doing an amniocentesis, the doctor inserts the needle very slowly, because the fetus will move out of the way to avoid getting stabbed by it. This contradicts Techno's assertion that a fetus does not want to live.