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(ABC) Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict

I think he's not going to be happy about losing his shahed drone manufacturing partner.
This is not going to affect Iran's capacity to make drones. As Ukraine has demonstrated quite effectively, drone manufacturing can be done with minimal resources and is a viable alternative to standard weaponry.
 
Israel decapitated Iran's Military & Defense Ministry.

Besides neutering military response, they seem to be clearing the field for regime change - if it were to develop.
If Iran had done the same to Israel, would you have called it decapitation - or something worse?

Iran is not a country that can easily be invaded. Look at the geography.

If regime change could be done, it would have been done long ago. You're just blowing bubbles and smoke rings.

Now all that's going to happen is that Iran will withdrawn from the Non-Proliferation Treaty -- and then others may also too.

That's all that will have been accomplished. And personally, I don't mind, as the NPT is a very one-sided treaty, which just doesn't reflect global realities.
 
I can respect this.

But I must point-out it was Trump's withdrawing from the JCPOA that allowed Iran to resume its enrichment path, ultimately bringing us here.

Trump has a habit of causing a problem, then claiming only he can solve it. Though in this case, he seems to want Putin to solve it. I expect, shocking for him, he knows he's out-of-his-league with this.
Exactly. The one consistent party here has been Israel, who's been itching to get the US to help in militarily eliminating Iran's nuclear capability.
 
This is not going to affect Iran's capacity to make drones. As Ukraine has demonstrated quite effectively, drone manufacturing can be done with minimal resources and is a viable alternative to standard weaponry.
It requires a government in command and control. Iran is losing that rapidly. Their production of drones for Russia will be well down their list of priorities like staying alive.
 
Yes.

If it’s easy he’s eager to take the credit.

If it’s hard TACO.

Hand off to Putin…if it goes south, Trump gets to claim it’s not his fault.

I'm usually not a fan of disparaging terms, but 'TACO' is perfectly descriptive of Trump's behaviour.
 
At first.

Being groggy in the morning and just, eyes almost popping out my head that Israel had gone this far, I thought, no ****ing way did Washington green light this, like, no ****ing way.

But then you see all the preamble, including removing non essentials and offering citizens to leave the region in the lead up to this among other things.

Trump knew.

He knew and it appears he gave the Israelis the green light because the deal wasn’t going anywhere…

And now Iran, has zero incentive, zero incentive to ever, ever come to the table ever again.

Now they will feel they HAVE to develop nuclear weapons to deter foreign aggression.

Because Trump doesn’t understand how things work.

He doesn’t know anything.

This entire thing is a blunder of unbelievable proportions.

All history is, is a series of decisions by individuals, people, frail humans.

Strip away the symbols of state, flags, the giant militaries, missiles, jets, ships…

Just a few individuals making decisions that have far reaching consequences.

This is a mistake, of unbelievable proportions.

Bibi, for his own power, is making Israel less safe.

I have been consistent, I am on the Israeli people’s side, the Jewish people’s side, but not the Israeli governments side, it is making Israel less safe everyday through its reckless actions.
 
This is one issue I disagree with Trump on, at least when it comes to the present Iranian regime. I am against a brokered peace deal, by Putin or anyone else. Unless the regime falls and is replaced by moderates not interested in nukes, I would like to see Israel finish the job. Any agreement with the present regime would merely amount to buying time. This solution was a long time coming. Trump gave the regime a way out and gave them 60s days and they just played for time like that always have.
What job is that exactly, since it's shifted from eliminating their nuclear capability to removing the leadership. I am endlessly amazed at how people in the US still think our involvement in Iran regime change is a good idea given the catastrophic results of the past decades have brought us exactly to this point. We have the example of Afghanistan, and Iraq demonstrating this country's abject failures at this endeavor. Iran, which has an even more intertwined history with this kind of meddling is likely to be more resistant to the idea.
 
What job is that exactly, since it's shifted from eliminating their nuclear capability to removing the leadership.
That is the same thing really.
 
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Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of war:

1] Send in the Military
2] Let Putin do the Negotiations


On Iran calling-off Nuclear Talks with the U.S.:

"They'd like to make a deal"

'No', I'm not making this up.

TrumpSpeak is often very difficult to comprehend. It’s apparent that Trump is willing to spew out due dates (deadlines?) for various things and then ignore and/or extend them. TikTok and tariffs are prime examples of that, earning him the acronym TACO.

One capability which Israel’s military lacks is the ability to destroy deeply buried facilities. I could see Trump agreeing to have the US military carry out the mission of destroying deeply buried nuclear facilities inside Iran.
 
In the context of the formal "world order"most definitely, though at the same time US Middle East policy has been quite the disaster so perhaps Trump outsourcing this to the nation that is in the middle of an invasion might seem like the better idea.
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Oh, left unchecked by Trump Putin will indeed effect a "resolution". But it will not be one that betters American or Israel's interests. Though it may better Trump's Political or Personal Financial interests!
 
That is the same thing really.
How do you figure? Removing the leadership does not guarantee the new one won't think the same way, especially when Israel launched a preemptive attack and has boots on the ground. The implicit message here is Iran can be targeted by Israel, and the obvious course is to prevent that in the future. If Mexico did this to us, we would not be looking for ways to de-escalate, but to reinforce our own defenses so we can determine for ourselves how our defenses should be managed.
 
This sounds about right, and resonates when one thinks about the simplicity in which he communicates his goals and ideas. The "how" is often where having an ideology helps craft the execution of ideas,
and since he's more of an "ideas" guy who likes to micro manage,
it explains why so much of what he does feels like "winging it".

I think I agree with the bolded.

"Idea guys" can be a very valuable asset to an org. But they need pragmatic "doers" around them & under them, to execute those ideas.

Otherwise the idea guys' ideas become an incomplete chaotic mess, that's often worse than whatever it was the idea was supposed to address.
 
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Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of war:

1] Send in the Military
2] Let Putin do the Negotiations


On Iran calling-off Nuclear Talks with the U.S.:

"They'd like to make a deal"

'No', I'm not making this up.


So much for a "no wars" president!
 
I though MAGA policy was to keep America out of foreign conflicts? Then again I thought the deportation plan was to deport them all but now there is a carve out for agri, meat packers, hotel and service workers. I'm guessing the plan will soon be to deport everyone except those who are working. I'm so very confused as to what the plan is.....'cause maybe there isn't one.
 
Why would you rule out getting involved? Iran is unpredictable. Anything can happen. We ourselves can see a terrorist attack.
They are far more predictable than Trump, and that's been proven out in most of their actions. They have been calculating in most of what they do versus the "vibes" style coming from Trump. The last time they reciprocated after an attack from Israel, they coordinated their attack with their targets to minimize impact which is not the act of an unpredictable foe. Now things are entering a different phase, and this has been directly caused by Israel's preemptive strikes and continued attacks on Iran. They've become nutters and aggressors, and the US should let them face the consequences of their unprovoked actions.
 
Its hard to take you guys seriously after we had a corpse in office the last 4 yeas.

That "corpse" never deployed the Military against the American People, nor did his higher number of deportations result in the deportation chaos occurring now.
 
How do you figure? Removing the leadership does not guarantee the new one won't think the same way, especially when Israel launched a preemptive attack and has boots on the ground. The implicit message here is Iran can be targeted by Israel, and the obvious course is to prevent that in the future. If Mexico did this to us, we would not be looking for ways to de-escalate, but to reinforce our own defenses so we can determine for ourselves how our defenses should be managed.
If the new leadership makes the same mistakes, the same thing could happen to them. Until the nuclear policy changes.

Your analogy is backwards. Mexico couldn't do it to us like Israel is doing it to Iran. We could do it to them though.
 
Exactly. He never presents thought-out plans, with timelines or resource expenditures, nor does he define the metrics for determining success. It's like we fly blind, continuously.

In the business world when your impulsivity destroy your business entity, you declare bankruptcy protection, while your other business entities continue to bring-in cash if they are doing so.

But how do you declare bankruptcy protection for a country you lead into an abyss?
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I think I agree with the bolded.

"Idea guys" can be a very valuable asset to an org. But they need pragmatic "doers" around them & under them, to execute those ideas.

Otherwise the idea guys' ideas become an incomplete chaotic mess, that's often worse than whatever it was the idea was supposed to address.
Yep.

And instead of pragmatic well informed and knowledgeable people around him - we have idiots that are in their positions solely based on loyalty.

Hopefully someone in the damn military can talk some sense into them and reign in this mess.
 
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