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Abbas: We will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told interviewers that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Israel Radio reported on Tuesday.Abbas reportedly said that his position is no different from those Arafat present in previous negotiations, and that his staff is the same as Arafat's.

He also hinted that the PA may fall apart if there is no hope for a solution in the near future. He then repeated that the PA will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.


Abbas: We will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state

What a shock the Palestinians are unwilling to negotiate.......again
 

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Did someone expect any different? I understand the persistence to keep asking them but at some time they need to stop being given chances.
 

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How about just recognizing Israel as a State then?
 

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That's what I was wondering.
Well the actual answer to that is "no" unfortunately. They won't acknowledge Israel's existence or right to exist. I mean, the whole thing sorta sucks by their standards. But also, Israel exists and has successfully defended its existence several times. That's where you have to start; Israel exists. If they can't yield even that amount, then there is no hope for a peaceful solution and the Palestinian people will be made to suffer even more.
 

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Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State means relinquishing any claim to its lands and any right to reside therein. We can no more expect them to negotiate their own suicide than we can expect Israel to do so. Self-preservation is paramount, and as it stands, their interests are mutually exclusive.
 

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Self-preservation is paramount, and as it stands, their interests are mutually exclusive.
Not if their interests would be peaceful living that best benefitted their people.
 

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Not if their interests would be peaceful living that best benefitted their people.
So Abbas is to ignore the thousands of Palestinian refugees that owned land inside what is now the State of Israel?
 

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Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State means relinquishing any claim to its lands and any right to reside therein. We can no more expect them to negotiate their own suicide than we can expect Israel to do so. Self-preservation is paramount, and as it stands, their interests are mutually exclusive.
Not necessarily true...Seems you are putting up a smokescrren

The fact of the matter is, Israel is at war with the Palestinians because a) neither side has surrendered unconditionally to the other or b) neither side has agreed to acceptable terms. Also, the US government is propping up the Palestinian Authority. Recognize that it is headed by Fatah, a political faction of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. It is not recognized as a terrorist organization, because in 1993, Arafat publicly renounced terrorism. Some people don't believe that renunciation was particularly sincere. In the 25JAN2005 elections, Hamas garnered more parliamentary seats and became the ruling authority. Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state covering what is now Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Their charter states, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."
 

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So Abbas is to ignore the thousands of Palestinian refugees that owned land inside what is now the State of Israel?
Your true colors shine once again. If you can't recoginize Israel has a right to exist then you've made it clear you don't want peace unless its Israel wiped off the face of the earth peace.
 

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Your true colors shine once again. If you can't recoginize Israel has a right to exist then you've made it clear you don't want peace unless its Israel wiped off the face of the earth peace.
There is a difference between refusing to recognise Israel as a Jewish State and recognising Israel as a State

Learn it :roll:
 

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Your true colors shine once again. If you can't recoginize Israel has a right to exist then you've made it clear you don't want peace unless its Israel wiped off the face of the earth peace.
I was thinking maybe instead of wiping out one another they could try... NOT doing that. I know, that may sound crazy to a guy like you...

Honestly, I find it hilarious (and frightening) that there are people like you who can't even think of an option in between the status quo and eliminating one of the two parties.
 
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Your true colors shine once again. If you can't recoginize Israel has a right to exist then you've made it clear you don't want peace unless its Israel wiped off the face of the earth peace.
Your true colors shine once again... (someone who cannot interpret coherently)

Abbas has no obligation to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Israel can define itself. No other nation should play a part in how one nation defines/describes itself.
 

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and yet oblivious obama blindly puts up these hillary-led "peace talks" as some kinda spielberg moment

hillary is just killing herself, she is becoming the comprehensive embodiment of barack hussein obama's absolutely bereft and bankrupt foreign policy

look at it, look at barry's "foreign policy"

china---he's failed at currency negotiation, he got bitch slapped in copenhagen over global warming (an issue which has precipitously expired, by the way), there's taiwan, there's tibet, there's korea, and there's the hundreds of billions of dollars of treasuries which they leverage over us

like everyone else, hu has over-his-head obama over a barrel

iran---sanctions are a joke, hu and putin won't play, obama STILL has not backed off his preposterous pledge to meet with the leaders of iran, there was his embarrassing ambivalence at the supreme leader's blatant ripoff of an election, ahmedinejad is nuking and ostrich-like obama dithers

aghanistan---karzai's corrupt, karzai's a crook, karzai's his partner who threatens to join the taliban, there's a panic driven run on the bank of kabul and a call for the bottomless pit in dc to bail THEM out, our troops operate under ridiculously unrealistic ROE's, there's the deadline which is and isn't and might be but you never know, which puts our "allies" over there in dread danger, anyone associated with us is looking at a real beheading (unlike those in the AZ desert) next fall, american death tolls are thru the roof, the enemy we seek isn't even there, al qaeda's in pakistan, and the pakistanis are selling us out to the taliban we learn reading wikileaks

iraq---he declares combat's end and then there's a big firefight in baghdad 3 days later, our 50000 are still there just under a different name, the sects are gonna tear the place apart one gramma at a time, biden blithely says they'll be fine, and the only big winner here are the shiites in iran who like the taliban just wait patiently

and the cartels, worst of all---exactly what is this admin's response to these cruelest of drug crazed killers, now in clear control of parts of mexico, with serious presence on our border and in some of our biggest cities all across the south

obama's foreign policy pertaining to the kingpins---not even a TALKING POINT

as secty of state hrc IS obama's foreign policy

and look at it

exactly why did he choose THIS, these mideast peace talks, to put all over tv, i mean, NOW?

boy, is he ever desperate

and SHE'S his poster girl

by excluding gaza foggy bottom gives itself no chance, there can be no substance without consideration of the heart of the palestinian cause

worst, he appears unwitting

he says, PEACE IN A YEAR---unbelievable

meanwhile, gaza goes gunning, bebe sends the hammers and nails to the bank, hamas says we won't see...

hillary has GOT to get outta there---like, at least a year ago

it's too late now

hrc is obama's foreign policy, and THAT is a disaster

competence is a minimal requirement, no?

embarrassed yet?
 

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and yet oblivious obama blindly puts up these hillary-led "peace talks" as some kinda spielberg moment

hillary is just killing herself, she is becoming the comprehensive embodiment of barack hussein obama's absolutely bereft and bankrupt foreign policy

look at it, look at barry's "foreign policy"

china---he's failed at currency negotiation, he got bitch slapped in copenhagen over global warming (an issue which has precipitously expired, by the way), there's taiwan, there's tibet, there's korea, and there's the hundreds of billions of dollars of treasuries which they leverage over us

like everyone else, hu has over-his-head obama over a barrel

iran---sanctions are a joke, hu and putin won't play, obama STILL has not backed off his preposterous pledge to meet with the leaders of iran, there was his embarrassing ambivalence at the supreme leader's blatant ripoff of an election, ahmedinejad is nuking and ostrich-like obama dithers

aghanistan---karzai's corrupt, karzai's a crook, karzai's his partner who threatens to join the taliban, there's a panic driven run on the bank of kabul and a call for the bottomless pit in dc to bail THEM out, our troops operate under ridiculously unrealistic ROE's, there's the deadline which is and isn't and might be but you never know, which puts our "allies" over there in dread danger, anyone associated with us is looking at a real beheading (unlike those in the AZ desert) next fall, american death tolls are thru the roof, the enemy we seek isn't even there, al qaeda's in pakistan, and the pakistanis are selling us out to the taliban we learn reading wikileaks

iraq---he declares combat's end and then there's a big firefight in baghdad 3 days later, our 50000 are still there just under a different name, the sects are gonna tear the place apart one gramma at a time, biden blithely says they'll be fine, and the only big winner here are the shiites in iran who like the taliban just wait patiently

and the cartels, worst of all---exactly what is this admin's response to these cruelest of drug crazed killers, now in clear control of parts of mexico, with serious presence on our border and in some of our biggest cities all across the south

obama's foreign policy pertaining to the kingpins---not even a TALKING POINT

as secty of state hrc IS obama's foreign policy

and look at it

exactly why did he choose THIS, these mideast peace talks, to put all over tv, i mean, NOW?

boy, is he ever desperate

and SHE'S his poster girl

by excluding gaza foggy bottom gives itself no chance, there can be no substance without consideration of the heart of the palestinian cause

worst, he appears unwitting

he says, PEACE IN A YEAR---unbelievable

meanwhile, gaza goes gunning, bebe sends the hammers and nails to the bank, hamas says we won't see...

hillary has GOT to get outta there---like, at least a year ago

it's too late now

hrc is obama's foreign policy, and THAT is a disaster

competence is a minimal requirement, no?

embarrassed yet?
What?.....
 

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told interviewers that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Israel Radio reported on Tuesday.Abbas reportedly said that his position is no different from those Arafat present in previous negotiations, and that his staff is the same as Arafat's.

He also hinted that the PA may fall apart if there is no hope for a solution in the near future. He then repeated that the PA will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.


Abbas: We will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state

What a shock the Palestinians are unwilling to negotiate.......again
At this point, if Israel decided to push the Paladummians into the sea ... I would no longer object. Abbas is a waste product and so is Hamas. It's time some serious punishment for Abbas and his terrorist buddies.
 

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At this point, if Israel decided to push the Paladummians into the sea ... I would no longer object. Abbas is a waste product and so is Hamas. It's time some serious punishment for Abbas and his terrorist buddies.
...you do realize that the vast majority of Palestinians are just ordinary people trying to make a living...

...right?
 

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So Abbas is to ignore the thousands of Palestinian refugees that owned land inside what is now the State of Israel?
Yes. It's done man, it's over. They had wars, Israel won. That's reality, you gotta deal with it. Israel exists and have defended that existence. Land changes hands often. If you continue to deny the existence of Israel, there will be no solution to the problem. That too is reality. Thus if they want to do best by their people and provide a lasting peace which can best suit them for their peace and their prosperity; they have to start from Israel exists.
 

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I was thinking maybe instead of wiping out one another they could try... NOT doing that. I know, that may sound crazy to a guy like you...
For that to be true, one would have to recognize Israel as a State.
 

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Why not recognize Israel as a Jewish state? Israel is a Jewish state and Jewish homeland. There are already Islamic states around the world, they can recognize Israel for what it is, a Jewish state.
 

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For that to be true, one would have to recognize Israel as a State.
Do you seriously not see any options between total destruction and recognition as a state?
 

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Not if their interests would be peaceful living that best benefitted their people.
If their interests were truly in making peace and living together side-by-side, they would be doing so. They are at war because they believe that the war is essential to their continued way of life-- and I have seen no evidence to suggest anything to the contrary. Two nations consider that same patch of ground to be their homeland and their holy land; such a condition cannot abide.

Why not recognize Israel as a Jewish state? Israel is a Jewish state and Jewish homeland. There are already Islamic states around the world, they can recognize Israel for what it is, a Jewish state.
Because it's also the Palestinian homeland. It isn't about Islam versus Judaism, it is about Palestinians versus Jews. The Palestinians are not welcome in those other Islamic States, because they do not belong there any more than Catholic Americans belong in Rome.
 

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Because it's also the Palestinian homeland. It isn't about Islam versus Judaism, it is about Palestinians versus Jews. The Palestinians are not welcome in those other Islamic States, because they do not belong there any more than Catholic Americans belong in Rome.
The Palestinians were a manufactured ethnicity a couple decades ago. They are ethnic Arabs and the region of Israel is not their homeland. Israel has been the ancestral homeland for the Jewish people, and there has always been a Jewish presence in the region sense it was established in ancient times.
 

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There is a difference between refusing to recognise Israel as a Jewish State and recognising Israel as a State

Learn it :roll:
LOL No there isn't.

Learn it.
 
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Deuce said:
...you do realize that the vast majority of Palestinians are just ordinary people trying to make a living...

...right?
Well, you see, Hamas killing civilians with rocket attacks into Israeli territory is abominable, but Palestinian civilians don't exist because they are all terrorists because they elected Hamas. So that means that its the Palestinian "civilians'" faults for the killing of civilians. And all of the Israeli civilians that elected the Israeli government of course are innocent civilians and victims...

I don't get it either.... :-/
 
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