• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

"A wave above which is another wave" | a miracle in the Qur'an

V

Valery

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2020
Messages
2,265
Reaction score
150
Qur'an 24:40 "Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.
www.britannica.com

Internal wave | Oceanic, Oceanography & Dynamics

Internal wave, a type of gravity wave that occurs on internal “surfaces” within ocean waters. These surfaces represent strata of rapidly changing water density with increasing depth, and the associated waves are called internal waves. Internal waves manifest themselves by a regular rising and
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com
 
Valery said:
Qur'an 24:40 "Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.
www.britannica.com

Internal wave | Oceanic, Oceanography & Dynamics

Internal wave, a type of gravity wave that occurs on internal “surfaces” within ocean waters. These surfaces represent strata of rapidly changing water density with increasing depth, and the associated waves are called internal waves. Internal waves manifest themselves by a regular rising and
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com
Click to expand...

So? This is just another set of verses warning people about Judgement Day (don't you hate it when one of us infidels actually knows context). This was never intended to be a science lesson. It's all imagery about what we'll see when we're resurrected to face God (and in my case, get my sinning ass kicked into Hell...:p).
 
Valery said:
It couldn't have been known by the Prophet صَلَّىاللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ.
Click to expand...

Why not? And also, what is your proof that the text is talking about that specific phenomena?
 
Questerr said:
Why not? And also, what is your proof that the text is talking about that specific phenomena?
Click to expand...
Because they couldn't be seen. It describes the specific phenomena. It's one of the many things the Qur'an describes that no man could have known at the time.
 
Valery said:
Because they couldn't be seen. It describes the specific phenomena. It's one of the many things the Qur'an describes that no man could have known at the time.
Click to expand...

Because the only time there is ever a wave above another wave in the ocean is when there are internal waves?
 
Questerr said:
Because the only time there is ever a wave above another wave in the ocean is when there are internal waves?
Click to expand...

It's something you see every time you go to the beach. One wave rolls in, and then right behind it and on top of it comes another.. and another.......
 
stevecanuck said:
It's something you see every time you go to the beach. One wave rolls in, and then right behind it and on top of it comes another.. and another.......
Click to expand...
"Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave(...)"
 
stevecanuck said:
There's a difference between "in the deep sea" and "deep in the sea".
Click to expand...
Yes, but as you know, with your argument it doesn't matter. What you need is for the surface to be deep. That's just not how the word works.
 
Questerr said:
Even when it proposes geocentricism?
Click to expand...
It doesn't. Do provide evidence if you want to insist it does.
Questerr said:
Because the only time there is ever a wave above another wave in the ocean is when there are internal waves?
Click to expand...
Because they can't be seen with your eyes, on the shore. They can be seen from space.
 
Valery said:
It doesn't. Do provide evidence if you want to insist it does.

Because they can't be seen with your eyes, on the shore. They can be seen from space.
Click to expand...

The Quran states the sun orbits the Earth and further more it states that people can travel to the literal places it rises and sets.

So you are claiming the only time a wave is ever above another wave in the ocean is when internal waves occur?
 
Questerr said:
The Quran states the sun orbits the Earth
Click to expand...
I said, provide evidence — that means quoting the verse and explaining how it says what you claim it says, unless it is obvious from the text itself.
Questerr said:
So you are claiming the only time a wave is ever above another wave in the ocean is when internal waves occur?
Click to expand...
No, that was you.
 
Valery said:
I said, provide evidence — that means quoting the verse and explaining how it says what you claim it says, unless it is obvious from the text itself.

No, that was you.
Click to expand...

wikiislam.net

Scientific Errors in the Quran

wikiislam.net wikiislam.net

So if there are other times when waves are above waves in the ocean, what is your evidence the Quran was specifically referring to the phenomena of internal waves rather than any of the other observable times waves are above other waves in the ocean?
 
Questerr said:
So if there are other times when waves are above waves in the ocean, what is your evidence the Quran was specifically referring to the phenomena of internal waves rather than any of the other observable times waves are above other waves in the ocean?
Click to expand...
You should look at the verse more carefully. It says: "Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave (...)".
 
Valery said:
You should look at the verse more carefully. It says: "Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave (...)".
Click to expand...

Because no one in the ancient world had ever dived? None had ever experiences a wave under water?

You realize that oyster divers existed and were well known for centuries prior to the writing of the Quran, yes?
 
Questerr said:
Again, where is your proof the Quran is specifically referring to that phenomena and not any of the other times waves are above other waves in the ocean?
Click to expand...
What are these other times?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom