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A Vietnam War veteran drew attention this week after pulling down a Confederate flag from a flagpole

MLK was more a socialist than not, and I am opposed to Marxist views. Here are some of his quotes espousing views that are in serious conflict with my own:

I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic.

He said capitalism has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes.

He described his work with the SCLC: In a sense, you could say we are engaged in the class struggle.

Speaking at a SCLC retreat in 1966, King said, "something is wrong...with capitalism" and there must be a better distribution of wealth... in the country. Maybe he suggested America must move toward a democratic socialism.
The Forgotten Socialist History of Martin Luther King Jr. - In These Times

Lol coming from someone like you, who doesn't understand the difference between "socialism" and "Marxism", trying to call anyone a "Marxist" is utterly laughable.

None of that has anything to do with Marxism. Nor are any of those "bad influences". In other words, you have nothing even remotely close to the evil of what the Confederacy did so your argument, as usual, is invalid.
 
You don't know anything about the Klan your hero created' history?

Hmm....let's enlighten you shall we?

"The Klan attacked black members of the Loyal Leagues and intimidated Southern Republicans and Freedmen's Bureau workers. When they killed black political leaders, they also took heads of families, along with the leaders of churches and community groups, because these people had many roles in society. Agents of the Freedmen's Bureau reported weekly assaults and murders of blacks.

"Armed guerrilla warfare killed thousands of Negroes; political riots were staged; their causes or occasions were always obscure, their results always certain: ten to one hundred times as many Negroes were killed as whites." Masked men shot into houses and burned them, sometimes with the occupants still inside. They drove successful black farmers off their land. "Generally, it can be reported that in North and South Carolina, in 18 months ending in June 1867, there were 197 murders and 548 cases of aggravated assault."[65]


George W. Ashburn was assassinated for his pro-black sentiments.
Klan violence worked to suppress black voting, and campaign seasons were deadly. More than 2,000 people were killed, wounded, or otherwise injured in Louisiana within a few weeks prior to the Presidential election of November 1868. Although St. Landry Parish had a registered Republican majority of 1,071, after the murders, no Republicans voted in the fall elections. White Democrats cast the full vote of the parish for President Grant's opponent. The KKK killed and wounded more than 200 black Republicans, hunting and chasing them through the woods. Thirteen captives were taken from jail and shot; a half-buried pile of 25 bodies was found in the woods. The KKK made people vote Democratic and gave them certificates of the fact.[66]

In the April 1868 Georgia gubernatorial election, Columbia County cast 1,222 votes for Republican Rufus Bullock. By the November presidential election, Klan intimidation led to suppression of the Republican vote and only one person voted for Ulysses S. Grant.[67]"


You are a top Neo-Confederate on this forum, still whining about the crushing of the slaveocracy and its attempts to destroy the United States. You cling to unimportant skirmishes as a way to validate your hero worship of a slaver who committed more than one atrocity and formed a domestic terrorist organization dedicated to oppressing Americans even after the war.

I don't doubt some of the first Klans anti black behavior, but your insistence to assign blame for that on
Forrest is just another dose of your appetite for distributing fake news.

1)Within the restrictions imposed by the slaveholding society in which he lived, Forrest managed to treat the black Southerners
with whom he came in contact as well as he perhaps could do. Judging by the actions and comments of some of the people he owned,
and emancipated, he treated them with a level of respect, respect and human dignity that went significantly beyond the
requirements of his profession. Many of the black Southerners he dealt with, in turn, recognized his friendship and returned it
many times over, during and long after the war.

2) There were 8 black men in his elite vanguard which was about 50 -80 of the best troopers
at any given time of the confederacy. Forrst rated the blacks who stayed with him throughout the
conflict as top notchers. It sure seems to me that Forrest surely had better relationships with
blacks he counteracted with than many of the union generals had
who participated in the war at the head of black soldiers.
Further more, Forrest often reflected "When I entered the army I
took forty-seven Negroes into the army with me, and forty-six of them surrendered with me. I
told these boys if we lose you will be made free. If we win the
fight and you stay with me I will free you all. Either way you will be freed. "These boys stayed
with me, and better confederates did not live”. They were protecting their
homeland.

Actually the Klan wasn't founded by Forrest. It was founded by former Confederate officers as a social group that eventually
evolved into a terrorist organization. Forrest was respected and looked up to by these officers who later invited him into the
group as their leader & status of Grand Wizard. Within a year & a half he gave orders for the group to disband and the first
incarnation of the KKK died out.Forrest initial interest in the Klan was because of his hatred of Carpetbaggers and scalawags,
particularly, who indeed invoked the wrath of the entire KKK.

Forrest even alienated his traditionally white supporters in efforts to protect newly emancipated slaves (e.g. as a planter following the Civil War he actually paid black laborers more than his competitors/neighbors)
the-american-catholic.com/2010/08/.../nathan-bedford-forrest-and-racial-reconciliatio...
 
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Sorry, I'm not going to tolerate the celebration of the murder of American soldiers and sailors. Period.

As I said, it takes a real American to be able to defend speech that they don't like. Just because I fight for your right to say it, doesn't mean that I agree with your message.
 
Conservatives should stop clinging to their precious traitors, who murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery.

Anyone who spends time whining about how Americans are "soft" is 1) apparently unaware of the inherent irony there and 2) clearly not living in the real world.

Yep, thanks to the US Army crushing the Confederacy, slavery is no longer legal and people are free.

Lol oh really? You do realize how ridiculous your argument is....right? You spend the entire first half of the post whining about how "soft" Americans are getting and then you conclude by whining about how old people's feelings are hurt because a lot of people don't tolerate Confederacy worship anymore.

You do understand that the majority of those that fought in the Civil War never owned slaves, right? They were fighting to defend their families, their homes, and their states.

After the war, of course the towns put up monuments to honor southerners. Do you think Monticello, Georgia would build a statue for General Sherman? Maybe Monroe, GA would put a monument to honor union dead on the town square?

Just remember, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.


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You do understand that the majority of those that fought in the Civil War never owned slaves, right? They were fighting to defend their families, their homes, and their states.

After the war, of course the towns put up monuments to honor southerners. Do you think Monticello, Georgia would build a statue for General Sherman? Maybe Monroe, GA would put a monument to honor union dead on the town square?

Just remember, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.


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Yeah, that's not an excuse in the slightest. They knew full well they were fighting for slavery; there was no secret about it in the south. These people went to war not even for selfish economic gain, but to keep other Americans beneath them in social status, and frankly that's even worse.

"Defending their families" from what, exactly? The "horror" of living in a society where African Americans had the same rights as everyone else? Your argument is a load of crap.

Yes, after the war the South mourned the destruction of slavery and the fact that African Americans couldn't be sold like cattle. Considering Sherman's March to the Sea was lenient as all hell by any standard of military history the fact that the South is still whining about it is downright pathetic. If you didn't want him to rip you a new asshole you shouldn't have gone to war to try and protect slavery.

Like I said before.....just try it. It'll be the fastest civil war in human history and then nobody will have to put up with your worship of a deeply evil regime.
 
As I said, it takes a real American to be able to defend speech that they don't like. Just because I fight for your right to say it, doesn't mean that I agree with your message.

And by "real American" of course, you mean someone willing to tolerate the celebration of the murder of American soldiers and sailors and the enslavement of African Americans.

Yeah......sorry bud, not going to do it.
 
I don't doubt some of the first Klans anti black behavior, but your insistence to assign blame for that on
Forrest is just another dose of your appetite for distributing fake news.








tio...

Forrest was the founding father of the Klan buddy. He made his money prior to the war on breaking up families and selling people like cattle. Your hero worship of such a scumbag makes you totally unable to grasp reality.

1) Oh wow, the slave trader "treated them as well as he could". Gee, you mean he didn't routinely rape the women and beat the men within an inch of their lives like the other slavers did? What a swell guy:roll:

:lamo

Yeah, when the guy you "know" can send a death squad to your house to burn you alive you would presumably treat him carefully. Your first line of argument has fallen apart.....as usual.

2) Ooh, a whole eight guys. What a huge number. Yeah, I bet he said that. Empty words never hurt anyone, and considering that African Americans forced to fight for the Confederacy were never all that interested in actually fighting the people who were crushing slavery, just sticking around would rate them as "top notchers".

No, they were believing the promises of a slave trader who claimed he would free them after the war. As it turned out, he had to--- like the rest of the south, at bayonet point. Nothing in your little story is any different than the British promising freedom to African Americans who fought for them during their clashes with the US--- and remember how much that enraged the south back then? :lamo

3) No, it was always a terrorist organization, and explicitly designed as such, with Forrest being the main driving force behind its creation.

" Another member wrote, "N. B. Forest of Confederate fame was at our head, and was known as the Grand Wizard. I heard him make a speech in one of our Dens".[145] The title "Grand Wizard" was chosen because General Forrest had been known as "The Wizard of the Saddle" during the war.[147] According to Jack Hurst's 1993 biography, "Two years after Appomattox, Forrest was reincarnated as grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. As the Klan's first national leader, he became the Lost Cause's avenging angel, galvanizing a loose collection of boyish secret social clubs into a reactionary instrument of terror still feared today."[148] Forrest was the Klan's first and only Grand Wizard, and he was active in recruitment for the Klan from 1867 to 1868.[149]

Following the war, the United States Congress began passing the Reconstruction Acts to lay out requirements for the former Confederate States to be readmitted to the Union,[150][151][152] to include ratification of the Fourteenth (1868), and Fifteenth (1870) Amendments to the United States Constitution. The fourteenth addressed citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws for former slaves, while the fifteenth specifically secured the voting rights of black men.[153] According to Wills, in the August 1867 state elections the Klan was relatively restrained in its actions. White Americans who made up the KKK hoped to persuade black voters that a return to their pre-war state of bondage was in their best interest. Forrest assisted in maintaining order. It was after these efforts failed that Klan violence and intimidation escalated and became widespread.[154] Author Andrew Ward, however, writes, "In the spring of 1867, Forrest and his dragoons launched a campaign of midnight parades; 'ghost' masquerades; and 'whipping' and even 'killing Negro voters and white Republicans, to scare blacks off voting and running for office'".[155]

In an 1868 interview by a Cincinnati newspaper, Forrest claimed that the Klan had 40,000 members in Tennessee and 550,000 total members throughout the Southern states.[156][157] He said he sympathized with them, but denied any formal connection. He claimed he could muster thousands of men himself. He described the Klan as "a protective political military organization... The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States... Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic...".[158][159] After only a year as Grand Wizard, in January 1869, faced with an ungovernable membership employing methods that seemed increasingly counterproductive, Forrest dissolved the Klan, ordered their costumes destroyed",[160] and withdrew from participation. His declaration had little effect, however, and few Klansmen destroyed their robes and hoods.[161]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest#Ku_Klux_Klan_membership

The only reason why he ever "alienated" his neighbors is that he realized the Klan wasn't winning and decided to get out while the going was good.

The man was a scummy human being.
 
Yeah, that's not an excuse in the slightest. They knew full well they were fighting for slavery; there was no secret about it in the south. These people went to war not even for selfish economic gain, but to keep other Americans beneath them in social status, and frankly that's even worse.

"Defending their families" from what, exactly? The "horror" of living in a society where African Americans had the same rights as everyone else? Your argument is a load of crap.

Yes, after the war the South mourned the destruction of slavery and the fact that African Americans couldn't be sold like cattle. Considering Sherman's March to the Sea was lenient as all hell by any standard of military history the fact that the South is still whining about it is downright pathetic. If you didn't want him to rip you a new asshole you shouldn't have gone to war to try and protect slavery.

Like I said before.....just try it. It'll be the fastest civil war in human history and then nobody will have to put up with your worship of a deeply evil regime.

They were defending their homes and families from the Union army marching through burning and destroying everything that they owned. It's easy to say that my argument is a load of crap in today's world with today's information available. These people did not have internet. They didn't have newspapers from all over the country on their laptops. Most people had not travelled more than a few counties from where they lived. They got their news from a local newspaper printed once a week in the county seat. They heard the latest happenings from a stranger passing through town.

Just an FYI, I'm from Akron. My ancestors, except for one cousin who lived in Kentucky fought on the side of the Union. I, in no way advocate returning to slavery or the south rising again. Your comments are coming from your heart and your passions. You want to paint everyone who fought in the civil war as racists who wanted to own blacks. That is not the case. The majority of those that fought never owned slaves.

Try and think about the time. Think about the information that the people in Monticello, Georgia would have had about the country at that time. There was no internet. There was no TV. There was no radio. Information received would take days or weeks to travel. Do you think that everyone fighting for the Union was fighting to free slaves? Of course not. They were fighting to keep the CSA from defeating the USA. Gettysburg, Antietam, Buffington Island, Salineville, Hanover, Fairfield... These are just some of the battles that were fought north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

The two sides were both fighting to defend their homes, their families, their states, and yes, their countries.
 
And by "real American" of course, you mean someone willing to tolerate the celebration of the murder of American soldiers and sailors and the enslavement of African Americans.

Yeah......sorry bud, not going to do it.

It's hard to be an American. Anyone can support Freedom of Speech when they agree with the message. How hard was this ACLU-EM DEFENDS KKK'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH?
 
They were defending their homes and families from the Union army marching through burning and destroying everything that they owned. It's easy to say that my argument is a load of crap in today's world with today's information available. These people did not have internet. They didn't have newspapers from all over the country on their laptops. Most people had not travelled more than a few counties from where they lived. They got their news from a local newspaper printed once a week in the county seat. They heard the latest happenings from a stranger passing through town.

Just an FYI, I'm from Akron. My ancestors, except for one cousin who lived in Kentucky fought on the side of the Union. I, in no way advocate returning to slavery or the south rising again. Your comments are coming from your heart and your passions. You want to paint everyone who fought in the civil war as racists who wanted to own blacks. That is not the case. The majority of those that fought never owned slaves.

Try and think about the time. Think about the information that the people in Monticello, Georgia would have had about the country at that time. There was no internet. There was no TV. There was no radio. Information received would take days or weeks to travel. Do you think that everyone fighting for the Union was fighting to free slaves? Of course not. They were fighting to keep the CSA from defeating the USA. Gettysburg, Antietam, Buffington Island, Salineville, Hanover, Fairfield... These are just some of the battles that were fought north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

The two sides were both fighting to defend their homes, their families, their states, and yes, their countries.

Gee bud, if the Confederates hadn't shot at Federal troops, or, hmm...not gone to war to preserve slavery in the first place, nobody would have been "burning" anything. And yes, the Union Army kept them from continuing to "own" other human beings. Boo-****ing hoo. The poor slavers, losing all their ill-gotten gains :roll:

Yes, the Confederates routinely tried to invade the North. Your point being?

The Confederates were clinging to their precious slaveocracy. That was their whole reason for going to war--- hell, they even formally stated that.
 
Tiger

I kinda enjoy your rebuttles, obviously you've become emotionally attached to cherished lies biased Northern media & Yankee folklorists. You're
actually pretty good at it going into pretzel like contortions airbrushing the truth & maximizing the few incidents in his life when Forrest himself
may have like all human beings fallen short of the mark. Lies must be approached with caution. Each teller of a folktale embellishes, elaborates,
embroiders until, kudzu-like, the lying creeps and entangles. Heroes become villains New characters appear, phantoms who never were.
A squad is a battalion, a ditch is the Grand Canyon, a hill the continental divide.

Know this:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ge...est-the-first-true-civil-rights-leader.76469/
Fame's Eternal Camping Ground," Trefor Jones

The facts are there, and they are true facts, but the history we have been taught and the true history are not the same.

What did Forrest fight for after the war was over? You may not believe it, but Forrest was probably the 'first white man' to fight for and promote equality and civil rights for blacks.Forrest disbanded the Klan in 1869 because its mission had been achieved. Union appointed Governor Brownlow and the viscous carpetbaggers had been defeated.

At a time when the northern states were passing laws 'forbidding' blacks to live in their territories, Bedford Forrest publicly, and at great personal risk defended the civil rights of the black people.
Forrest said there was no reason black people could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or in any other jobs 'equal' to whites. He said they were skilled artisans and needed to be employed in those skills so that successive 'black' generations would not be dependent on a welfare society. (Forrest was a man of vision).

To prove his point, when he organized the Memphis & Selma Railroad, Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers, foremen, train engineers, conductors, and many other high level jobs, not just laborer positions. (The first affirmative action).

The Independent Order of Pole Bearers Association (a forerunner of the NAACP), invited General Forrest, the first white man ever invited, to speak at their convention on July 5, 1875. During his speech, too much applause, Bedford said: "I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man - to depress none.

These lesser known efferts really the epologue of Forrest's life are not the reason of his fame but are important to note., the words on his monuments are,

"Those hoof beats die not upon fame's crimson sod,
But will ring through her song and her story;
He fought like a Titan and struck like a god,
And his dust is our ashes of glory."
 
Forrest was the founding father of the Klan buddy. He made his money prior to the war on breaking up families and selling people like cattle. Your hero worship of such a scumbag makes you totally unable to grasp reality.

1) Oh wow, the slave trader "treated them as well as he could". Gee, you mean he didn't routinely rape the women and beat the men within an inch of their lives like the other slavers did? What a swell guy:roll:

:lamo

Yeah, when the guy you "know" can send a death squad to your house to burn you alive you would presumably treat him carefully. Your first line of argument has fallen apart.....as usual.

2) Ooh, a whole eight guys. What a huge number. Yeah, I bet he said that. Empty words never hurt anyone, and considering that African Americans forced to fight for the Confederacy were never all that interested in actually fighting the people who were crushing slavery, just sticking around would rate them as "top notchers".

No, they were believing the promises of a slave trader who claimed he would free them after the war. As it turned out, he had to--- like the rest of the south, at bayonet point. Nothing in your little story is any different than the British promising freedom to African Americans who fought for them during their clashes with the US--- and remember how much that enraged the south back then? :lamo

3) No, it was always a terrorist organization, and explicitly designed as such, with Forrest being the main driving force behind its creation.

" Another member wrote, "N. B. Forest of Confederate fame was at our head, and was known as the Grand Wizard. I heard him make a speech in one of our Dens".[145] The title "Grand Wizard" was chosen because General Forrest had been known as "The Wizard of the Saddle" during the war.[147] According to Jack Hurst's 1993 biography, "Two years after Appomattox, Forrest was reincarnated as grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. As the Klan's first national leader, he became the Lost Cause's avenging angel, galvanizing a loose collection of boyish secret social clubs into a reactionary instrument of terror still feared today."[148] Forrest was the Klan's first and only Grand Wizard, and he was active in recruitment for the Klan from 1867 to 1868.[149]

Following the war, the United States Congress began passing the Reconstruction Acts to lay out requirements for the former Confederate States to be readmitted to the Union,[150][151][152] to include ratification of the Fourteenth (1868), and Fifteenth (1870) Amendments to the United States Constitution. The fourteenth addressed citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws for former slaves, while the fifteenth specifically secured the voting rights of black men.[153] According to Wills, in the August 1867 state elections the Klan was relatively restrained in its actions. White Americans who made up the KKK hoped to persuade black voters that a return to their pre-war state of bondage was in their best interest. Forrest assisted in maintaining order. It was after these efforts failed that Klan violence and intimidation escalated and became widespread.[154] Author Andrew Ward, however, writes, "In the spring of 1867, Forrest and his dragoons launched a campaign of midnight parades; 'ghost' masquerades; and 'whipping' and even 'killing Negro voters and white Republicans, to scare blacks off voting and running for office'".[155]

In an 1868 interview by a Cincinnati newspaper, Forrest claimed that the Klan had 40,000 members in Tennessee and 550,000 total members throughout the Southern states.[156][157] He said he sympathized with them, but denied any formal connection. He claimed he could muster thousands of men himself. He described the Klan as "a protective political military organization... The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States... Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic...".[158][159] After only a year as Grand Wizard, in January 1869, faced with an ungovernable membership employing methods that seemed increasingly counterproductive, Forrest dissolved the Klan, ordered their costumes destroyed",[160] and withdrew from participation. His declaration had little effect, however, and few Klansmen destroyed their robes and hoods.[161]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest#Ku_Klux_Klan_membership

The only reason why he ever "alienated" his neighbors is that he realized the Klan wasn't winning and decided to get out while the going was good.

The man was a scummy human being.

Because your comments on this post referring to Forrest as a violent backwoodsman, illiterate redneck, cruel slaver, simple minded hillbilly &
pathological sadist were over 5000 words, my rebuttle to this silliness is on post # 262!
 
I'm sorry that you are unable to understand that while I may disagree with your message, I will fight for your right to say it. I'm an American. We have freedom of expression.

Again, don't care about whatever excuses you come up with to justify your support for the Confederacy to yourself.
 
Is this the posting of an adult in a political forum? The point which you are missing is that the people fighting in the Civil War, on both sides had very limited information. They did not have access to the 24 hour news cycle. They only knew what was going on locally. Most likely not past the county seat. They might here a little news on occasion from the state capitol but not from Washington DC. The people, on both sides fighting the battles, were fighting to protect their homes and families.

Gee bud, if the Confederates hadn't shot at Federal troops, or, hmm...not gone to war to preserve slavery in the first place, nobody would have been "burning" anything. And yes, the Union Army kept them from continuing to "own" other human beings. Boo-****ing hoo. The poor slavers, losing all their ill-gotten gains :roll:

Yes, the Confederates routinely tried to invade the North. Your point being?

The Confederates were clinging to their precious slaveocracy. That was their whole reason for going to war--- hell, they even formally stated that.
 
Tiger

I kinda enjoy your rebuttles, obviously you've become emotionally attached to cherished lies biased Northern media & Yankee folklorists. You're
actually pretty good at it going into pretzel like contortions airbrushing the truth & maximizing the few incidents in his life when Forrest himself
may have like all human beings fallen short of the mark. Lies must be approached with caution. Each teller of a folktale embellishes, elaborates,
embroiders until, kudzu-like, the lying creeps and entangles. Heroes become villains New characters appear, phantoms who never were.
A squad is a battalion, a ditch is the Grand Canyon, a hill the continental divide.

Know this:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ge...est-the-first-true-civil-rights-leader.76469/
Fame's Eternal Camping Ground," Trefor Jones

The facts are there, and they are true facts, but the history we have been taught and the true history are not the same.

What did Forrest fight for after the war was over? You may not believe it, but Forrest was probably the 'first white man' to fight for and promote equality and civil rights for blacks.Forrest disbanded the Klan in 1869 because its mission had been achieved. Union appointed Governor Brownlow and the viscous carpetbaggers had been defeated.

At a time when the northern states were passing laws 'forbidding' blacks to live in their territories, Bedford Forrest publicly, and at great personal risk defended the civil rights of the black people.
Forrest said there was no reason black people could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or in any other jobs 'equal' to whites. He said they were skilled artisans and needed to be employed in those skills so that successive 'black' generations would not be dependent on a welfare society. (Forrest was a man of vision).

To prove his point, when he organized the Memphis & Selma Railroad, Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers, foremen, train engineers, conductors, and many other high level jobs, not just laborer positions. (The first affirmative action).

The Independent Order of Pole Bearers Association (a forerunner of the NAACP), invited General Forrest, the first white man ever invited, to speak at their convention on July 5, 1875. During his speech, too much applause, Bedford said: "I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man - to depress none.

These lesser known efferts really the epologue of Forrest's life are not the reason of his fame but are important to note., the words on his monuments are,

"Those hoof beats die not upon fame's crimson sod,
But will ring through her song and her story;
He fought like a Titan and struck like a god,
And his dust is our ashes of glory."

Clearly you, as usual, are clinging to your hero worship of the slaveocracy and of the first major domestic terrorist network in the United States. Unfortunately for you, you are pathetically bad at handwaving away the fact that your hero made his living selling Americans like cattle and was responsible for numerous atrocities.

The rest of your first section lacks any sort of factual information and is nothing more than you whining about how people don't mindlessly handwave away the numerous atrocities he committed.

:lamo

Yeah, the main figure of the early Ku Klux Klan was real into racial equality :lamo :roll:

The rest of your post is nothing more than you fawning over your hero.....and ignoring the blindingly obvious fact that if Forrest really held the beliefs you claim, he never would have been a slave trader in the first place, much played such a huge role in the Klan.

When your argument revolves around the delusion that history has been "warped" when it comes to a certain figure, then it's safe to point out that you should be reassessing your own position.
 
Is this the posting of an adult in a political forum? The point which you are missing is that the people fighting in the Civil War, on both sides had very limited information. They did not have access to the 24 hour news cycle. They only knew what was going on locally. Most likely not past the county seat. They might here a little news on occasion from the state capitol but not from Washington DC. The people, on both sides fighting the battles, were fighting to protect their homes and families.

Ignorance is not an excuse. That has been definitely proven over and over and over again. The Germans claimed they didn't know what was happening to the Jews; southerners can claim that they didn't understand what slavery was really like, or didn't understand what they were fighting for, or whatever excuse you want.....but ignorance is not an excuse. Why do you think England and France never stepped in?

Because the common people of those countries were utterly unwilling to stand for going to war to save a bunch of slavers.

Oh really? How about you explain, explictly, how fighting for slavery protected anyone's family?
 
I'm sorry that you are unable to understand that while I may disagree with your message, I will fight for your right to say it. I'm an American. We have freedom of expression.

Except in the Confederacy, where if you were African American you were property.
 
Because your comments on this post referring to Forrest as a violent backwoodsman, illiterate redneck, cruel slaver, simple minded hillbilly &
pathological sadist were over 5000 words, my rebuttle to this silliness is on post # 262!

You didn't actually "rebut" anything. For example, you failed utterly to counter the fact that Forrest was a slaver and integrally involved in the running of the KKK, that the KKK was involved in numerous acts of domestic terrorism under Forrest's leadership, and that the only reason Forrest "got out" is because the government was about to drop the hammer on the Klan.
 
Ignorance is not an excuse. That has been definitely proven over and over and over again. The Germans claimed they didn't know what was happening to the Jews; southerners can claim that they didn't understand what slavery was really like, or didn't understand what they were fighting for, or whatever excuse you want.....but ignorance is not an excuse. Why do you think England and France never stepped in?

Because the common people of those countries were utterly unwilling to stand for going to war to save a bunch of slavers.

Oh really? How about you explain, explictly, how fighting for slavery protected anyone's family?

No need to continue the conversation. You aren't going to get it. Unfortunately, you cannot discuss anything without being clouded by your racist beliefs.
 
According to news reports they don't know who put up the confederate flag.

So if it wasn't the owner, then whoever took down the American flag and put up the confederate flag was the one trespassing.

But if it was the owner, he sure is lying low.
And so was the one who took down the confederate flag.
 
Remer was exercising his right to free speech....so why aren't you ok with it?

Free speech means you can do what ever you want on public property now. I think you are very confused as to what the first amendment actually is.
 
Show me the part of the constitution that enshrines and protects the insignia of enemies of the United States.

Oh wait. You can't.
Where did I say it did. Oh thats right. I never did. But you claimed the first amendment doesn't count if it's an ideal we disagree with so how about you back up your claim.
 
Hmm....I hate to break it to you but you being enraged that people won't tolerate Confederacy worship does not change reality.

Proving just how clueless you are. Think it is wrong to damage or destroy property that doesn't belong to you is no confederacy worship. I think the confederacy was a bunch of traitors that deserved the ass kicking they got and anyone who still celebrates those POS has a screw loose.

But as an American I also support the ideals if free speech. Something you obviously do not.

You really couldn't fail any more then you are in this thread.
 
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