A Study into the Mind Expanding Qualities of 'Magic Mushrooms'

[Libertine]

i can't say im familier with it. Have you heard much about Iblogane (spell) yet. For some odd reason it is still legal in the UK so its best to make the most of it before the tabloids kick up a stink and the government bans it.

 

[Libertine]

check it out my man

Trip of a lifetime

 

[Captain America]

Tripping is for the young. I've known my share.

Too much on the mind these days. The idea of tripping no longer appeals to me.

 

[alphieb]

…erm… I genuinely don’t want to seem overly rude or anything luv but can you please hurry up and produce me a study demonstrating my study with Magic Mushrooms (Please note: Magic Mushrooms NOT LSD) will as you have put it…



I have requested that you find me a study to back up your above sweeping and unqualified statement that my study with Magic Mushrooms will result in schizophrenia, but yet so far you have so far only produce two studies linking LSD (not Magic Mushrooms) with schizophrenia, indeed the later of the links even has LSD in the title.

Please tell me you know the difference between Magic Mushrooms and LSD… oh and don’t bother saying that... "they are both haloclines as the and therefore the same thing" as then you would have to conclude Nicotine and LSD are the same thing as they are both hallucagenic here is a link…

Nictotine cause hallucinations

...oh and yes I can back views up with an actual links…. It’s a novel concept isn’t it. Perhaps you would like to give it a go some time and try providing a link to anything to do with Magic Mushrooms. Or you could just carry on providing me with links to do with LSD…. Its up to you.

"MAGIC MUSHROOMS" carry risk such as bad trips including temporary schizophrenia secondary to hallucinations and other health risk as well.

Both mushrooms can distort colour, sound and objects.

Both mushrooms can speed up and slow down time and movement.

Both mushrooms can make you feel more emotionally sensitive. Some people feel more creative and enlightened.

Amanita's can give you the sort of out of body experience that makes you feel like you're dreaming when you're awake.

Amanita's can give you synesthesia which allows you to smell words and taste colours.

"Bad trips are seriously frightening and unsettling. And you can't tell whether you're going to have a bad trip or a good trip (although there are things you can do to try and avoid a bad trip).

You're not in complete control of what you're doing. Your perception of your body and the world around you can be distorted.

Both mushrooms can make you feel sick, tired and disoriented.

Amanita's can make you nervous, twitchy and cold.

Amanita's can make make you feel so withdrawn inside your own head that you can't hold a sensible conversation". This information was obtained from
www.narconon.ca/magic_mushrooms.htm

Although slightly milder from LSD, they still pose risk. Bad trips are the main problem and if an individual abuses the drug. That is simply common sense. Like I have already pointed out, chronic drug use alters brain chemistry. Having said that, changes in the brain can led to a homeostatic imbalance, thus inducing psychosis. BAD NEWS.........

More info. can be obtained on www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/magicmushrooms I hope you can access that site, if not I will provide another site if necessary.

I was responding prior from work with limited time. I am off today.

 

[Captain America]

Nothing ruins a trip more than having a buddy tripping with you that is bumming out. You spend all your time "talking them down" (or making sure they are kept on the path of a good time) to enjoy your own buzz.

I have learned that people that are kinda screwed up in their head to begin with, should totally stay away from drugs of the mind expansion type.

If your life is a bummer, tripping will only make it moreso. But if you are one who has a positive outlook and generally mentally stable to begin with, buckle up. You're in for the time of your life.

But prepared for one common after effect. Your face will hurt from laughing so hard! :rofl

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Nothing ruins a trip more than having a buddy tripping with you that is bumming out. You spend all your time "talking them down" (or making sure they are kept on the path of a good time) to enjoy your own buzz.

I have learned that people that are kinda screwed up in their head to begin with, should totally stay away from drugs of the mind expansion type.

If your life is a bummer, tripping will only make it moreso. But if you are one who has a positive outlook and generally mentally stable to begin with, buckle up. You're in for the time of your life.

But prepared for one common after effect. Your face will hurt from laughing so hard! :rofl

that is the best advice I have seen yet! It's 90% mental, and the other 50% is the product you get..............wait....90+50...eh

The other piece of advice, that all you young ones need to pay attention to:
Stay outside and away from strange people and situations.
The woods are your best friend.

With Captain and Baker's advice, you will have a great time!

 

[alphieb]

Nothing ruins a trip more than having a buddy tripping with you that is bumming out. You spend all your time "talking them down" (or making sure they are kept on the path of a good time) to enjoy your own buzz.

I have learned that people that are kinda screwed up in their head to begin with, should totally stay away from drugs of the mind expansion type.

If your life is a bummer, tripping will only make it moreso. But if you are one who has a positive outlook and generally mentally stable to begin with, buckle up. You're in for the time of your life.

But prepared for one common after effect. Your face will hurt from laughing so hard! :rofl

This is true, it all depends on your frame of mind, but humans are full of emotions that may vary from one day to the next. A stable individual could have a situational problem, trip and have a bad trip.

1/3 of schizophrenics are acute (drug induced included), 1/3 go in and out of remission and 1/3 are chronic. Those statics are accurate. I minored in psych.

http://www.nami.org

 

[Captain America]

One more bit of advice for the first timer. It takes well over an hour for acid to kick in usually. 'Shrooms usually take about 20 minutes or so and right before takeoff you will get a queasy tummy feeling that will pass. Drink the tea. Don't eat 'em. They taste like shi*. Even the tea taste like poo. Just hold your nose and bottoms up.

If you DO find yourself not having as good a time as you wanted, or even a bad time, not to worry. It will pass. It won't last forever unless you let it. If the rtrip turns south, go sit somewher and skip rocks across the water or something. Don't freak out. It will pass. Then, never do them again. You will know you that were not meant to trip. Some people can, some can't. Only the mentally stable should even try. Crazy's just get crazier.

 

[alphieb]

One more bit of advice for the first timer. It takes well over an hour for acid to kick in usually. 'Shrooms usually take about 20 minutes or so and right before takeoff you will get a queasy tummy feeling that will pass. Drink the tea. Don't eat 'em. They taste like shi*. Even the tea taste like poo. Just hold your nose and bottoms up.

If you DO find yourself not having as good a time as you wanted, or even a bad time, not to worry. It will pass. It won't last forever unless you let it. If the rtrip turns south, go sit somewher and skip rocks across the water or something. Don't freak out. It will pass. Then, never do them again. You will know you that were not meant to trip. Some people can, some can't. Only the mentally stable should even try. Crazy's just get crazier.

TRUE.........................

 

[Libertine]

Wow what better why to back up an uniformed anti drugs view than with a link from an uniformed anti drugs website… and now for the debunk.

"MAGIC MUSHROOMS" carry risk such as bad trips including temporary schizophrenia secondary to hallucinations and other health risk as well.

Firstly there is no such thing as "temporary schizophrenia." as you have described it. By the very definition of the syndrome schizophrenia it is literally impossible for it to be temporary or for that matter drug induced these are facts as set out by the DSM (everyone who knows even basic psychology obviously knows what the DSM is so i wont patronise you but by spelling it out) and are as such not disputable. Please look at the following criteria used by psychologists and psychiatrists world wide. (the key text is in bold to save you having to read to much)

A. Characteristic symptoms: Two (or more) of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if successfully treated):

delusions
hallucinations
Disorganised Speech
Grossly disorganised
negative symptoms, i.e., affective flattening, alogia, or avolition

Note: Only one Criterion A symptom is required if delusions are bizarre or hallucinations consist of a voice keeping up a running commentary on the person's behavior or thoughts, or two or more voices conversing with each other.

B. Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset (or when the onset is in childhood or adolescence, failure to achieve expected level of interpersonal, academic, or occupational achievement).

C. Duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least 6 months. This 6-month period must include at least 1 month of symptoms (or less if successfully treated) that meet Criterion A] (i.e., active-phase symptoms) and may include periods of prodromal or residual symptoms. During these prodromal or residual periods, the signs of the disturbance may be manifested by only negative symptoms or two or more symptoms listed in Criterion A present in an attenuated form (e.g., odd beliefs, unusual perceptual experiences).

D. Schizoaffective and Mood Disorder exclusion: Schizoaffective Disorder and Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features have been ruled out because either (1) no Major Depressive Episode, Manic Episode, or Mixed Episode have occurred concurrently with the active-phase symptoms; or (2) if mood episodes have occurred during active-phase symptoms, their total duration has been brief relative to the duration of the active and residual periods.

E. Substance/general medical condition exclusion: The disturbance is NOT due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.

From
Criteria for diagnosing schizophrenia

Secondly to this there are no other health risks from actual magic mushrooms. Wait for wait magic mushrooms are less toxic than coffee (yes I can provide a link from a neutral source on this just ask for it if you want to see) and one would literally have to consume ones own body wait in Magic Mushrooms before one noticed negative effects on health. (again I can provide a link from a neutral source on this just ask for it if you want to see)

I challange you to privde me witheven a single link demonstrating that Schizophrenia (as defined by psychologists) can be caused by magic mushrooms. I predict with suprime confidence that you will fail in this endevour.


Now as for bad trips, I have had ‘bad’ trips but for me this was part of the necessary process of accessing deeply berried issues within my subconscious mind in order to come to terms with them and help me resolve issues in much the same way as the gentle man in the link I provided

Here it is again…

Trip of a life time

but thank you once again for your input, although i must say it has told me far more about you than it has about magicmushrooms

 

[Billo_Really]

Did they ever find out why you have to throw up before the "high" starts?

 

[Captain America]

Did they ever find out why you have to throw up before the "high" starts?

Not always.

I know folks that have puked after eating them just before it kicks in. Same for Peyote.

Drinking the tea won't necessarily make you puke. It can, I suppose, as the tummy do get a bit queasy for a few minutes but I have never puked myself.

 

[Gardener]

My advice would be to prepare yourself for various epiphanies where the world makes such sublime sense that you wonder how such universal truths ever escaped you. Be equally prepared to regret the fact such epihanies didn't carry over into your normal state. At least most often they don't, but I do recall one time walking along a moonlit Oregon beach admiring the constant mutation of the wave patters as they folded back among themselves when I experienced a very precise vision of the foothills to the Sierras near where I grew up. The patterns of the waves kept merging with the visions of the foothills until they were one, and as I realized the similarity, a sudden sense of reassuring rightness came over me. This was two decades before I ever encountered chaos theory, but when I did, I chuckled to myself when I realized I had experienced it whilst tripping.

and I second the notion of nixing the Led Zep. Try some Mahavishnu Orchestra, instead.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Gardner:
My advice would be to prepare yourself for various epiphanies where the world makes such sublime sense that you wonder how such universal truths ever escaped you. Be equally prepared to regret the fact such epihanies didn't carry over into your normal state. At least most often they don't, but I do recall one time walking along a moonlit Oregon beach admiring the constant mutation of the wave patters as they folded back among themselves when I experienced a very precise vision of the foothills to the Sierras near where I grew up. The patterns of the waves kept merging with the visions of the foothills until they were one, and as I realized the similarity, a sudden sense of reassuring rightness came over me. This was two decades before I ever encountered chaos theory, but when I did, I chuckled to myself when I realized I had experienced it whilst tripping.

and I second the notion of nixing the Led Zep. Try some Mahavishnu Orchestra, instead.

How about a quiet evening with some mescaline and Carlos Castaneda?

 

[Gardener]

How about a quiet evening with some mescaline and Carlos Castaneda?

Never tried that.

Good?



I do recall one night with some hash and some Herman Hesse, though.

And no, I was NOT listening to Steppenwolfe at the time, thank you very much.

 

[jallman]

My advice would be to prepare yourself for various epiphanies where the world makes such sublime sense that you wonder how such universal truths ever escaped you. Be equally prepared to regret the fact such epihanies didn't carry over into your normal state.

That is probably the best advice I have ever heard given to a first time tripper. It captures the whole essence of the experience in its entirety.

 

[shuku]

2c-i is an easy and safe trip that I believe to be more mild than psilocybin.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci/2ci.shtml
I've yet to move on from it to more intense hallucinagins for various reasons.
I had a friend take psilocybin, but spend the entire time lost in deep self-exploration. I want that. I want to see myself in my raw true form, without any illusions or subconcious barriers.
I've passed up salvia, but I almost regret it.
As far as music goes, I suggest psytrance, like shpongle.

 

[jallman]

2c-i is an easy and safe trip that I believe to be more mild than psilocybin.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci/2ci.shtml
I've yet to move on from it to more intense hallucinagins for various reasons.
I had a friend take psilocybin, but spend the entire time lost in deep self-exploration. I want that. I want to see myself in my raw true form, without any illusions or subconcious barriers.
I've passed up salvia, but I almost regret it.
As far as music goes, I suggest psytrance, like shpongle.

psytrance is explorative even when you aren't altered. good stuff.

 

[shuku]

psytrance is explorative even when you aren't altered. good stuff.

Cut the middlechemical and go straight to the trip:
http://www.shocking.com/~trinity/flashback.swf
(fan made flash movie to Divine Moments of Truth, by spongle)


Edit:
I apoligize for contributing to the derail. OP, have you established a date for your experiment?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Methinks that if you have done mushrooms before (extensive experience? dude, you're a stoner), this is just a self-legitimizing excuse to get stoned again. "Officer, I swear, it's a scientific experiment!!":roll:

There's a difference between recreational usage of psychedelics and legitimate psychospiritual inquiry; several religions make active use of psychedelics in order to enhance spiritual experiences, and many occultists and neurohackers use them to gain perspective on their mental functions.

As soon as I've developed sufficient willpower and tolerance for sensory deprivation to psychologically survive the experience, I am intending on making use of similar methods myself-- though I have no intention of interacting with other people while doing so.

 

[tecoyah]

two words folks....Shroom Tea

No Puking
Fantastic High
More pretty colors

This of course comes from my sisters best friends uncle, as I would never risk my mental Health......................and neither would I

 

[Monkey Mind]

Let's say taking psychedelics does induce what your brain perceives to be a mystical or spiritual experience. How do you know if it was real or just a sideshow fabricated by the drugs? Do people on shrooms really have mystical experiences? Or are their brains simply doing the equivalent of watching a movie.

Most of the scientific studies on this subject seem to operate on the assumption that there is no such thing as a Real Spiritual Experience, it's all about firing off certain neurons and inducing certain brainwave patterns, which drugs seem to do nicely. If that's true, then what is the value in it?

Or, if Real Spiritual Experiences do exist, maybe taking drugs as a shortcut is counter-productive. Rather than go through the hard work like monks and mystics have done over the ages, you pop a pill and instantly get the Full Mystical Experience, with zero effort or sacrifice. Once that option is available, how likely is it that you'll tap into the Oneness in the future by say, meditation, or volunteering for charity?

The third possibility is that a.) Spiritual Experiences do exist, b.) the gateway to the Spiritual State is a certain pattern in the brain, and c.) psychedelics can trigger that pattern. Adherents of this theory tell themselves they're simply using the drugs as Tools to enter the higher, mystical state. Clearly this possibility is what has everyone so excited. I doubt that it's that simple though.

In my experience, although many users will tell you it's Scenario 3, in reality they're just trapped in Scenario 2. Hullucinogens become a crutch, just like any other drug.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Or, if Real Spiritual Experiences do exist, maybe taking drugs as a shortcut is counter-productive.

Relying on drugs certainly is. They're no replacement for meditation, practice, and forming (and following) a strong moral compass.

However, they do have their uses. By significantly altering your perceptions, they can allow you to see things from angles you couldn't reach while your brain was functioning normally-- which can provide a breakthrough if you're stuck at some point in your development.

My interest is in breaking my mind and then studying it as I re-assemble the pieces-- and hopefully re-assembling them in a more powerful shape. That's why I'm pursuing something considerably more strenuous than mild doses of psychedelics.

Hallucinogens become a crutch, just like any other drug.

Any tool can become a crutch, if you rely on it too much-- or it's the only tool you have.