A Simple Question for Anti-Abortion Folks

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

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From 1979 to 2015, China had a one child policy that led to many abortions.

medi said:

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

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Why are you aiming this question at Democrats and pro-choice groups? Isn't it for the anti abortion people?

medi said:

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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Loulit01 said:

Why are you aiming this question at Democrats and pro-choice groups? Isn't it for the anti abortion people?

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I made a very stupid mistake in the original draft and have since fixed that. Sorry for my carelessness! Very sorry!! A very careless error!!!

medi said:

I made a very stupid mistake in the original draft and have since fixed that. Sorry for my carelessness! Very sorry!! A very careless error!!!

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Okay, okay. No big deal.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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How the **** have you managed to live in asia for most of your adult life and be completely unaware that infanticide, especially for females has been going on for the last 2,000 years plus? They do not rely on abortions in china. they wait until the baby is born and then kill it if its a female. And as for the one child policy

In the 1980s, women either had to receive an IUD after giving birth to their first child, or the husband would have to undergo a vasectomy. Between 1980 and 2014, 324 million Chinese women received IUDs and 108 million were sterilized. By law, the IUD was placed four months after the delivery of the first child.

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Not an abortion issue is probably why republicans do not give a shit about what happens in china with abortions . That and that most of them would not have a clue what goes on in china until trump tells them.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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Ask yourself this, do you want a bunch of men deciding issues for females, especially abortion? Are women not capable of making up their own minds? Should others have a voice in your marriage also? How about folks telling you how you should raise your kids? Where does it stop if one group can make decisions for another group?

Please excuse my focus on the opening question of your post:

soylentgreen said:

How the **** have you managed to live in asia for most of your adult life and be completely unaware that infanticide, ...

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I think that part of the reason I am on the fence on this issue is because I have not paid much attention to this issue for a very, very long time.

Also, I have had very little reason to study much about social matters in the daily lives of the mainland Chinese during my professional days of duty.

Upon consideration, though, I can't see how that would make much difference in the overall scheme of things. Whether you kill the human before birth, or just after, the rage should be equal and such information of said rage should be made aware to your own nation's people, if you feel so strongly about the death of those young ones. And that thought just came to me as I was thinking about your question. I didn't know I was going to be drawn into a debate like that.

bongsaway said:

Ask yourself this, do you want a bunch of men deciding issues for females, especially abortion? Are women not capable of making up their own minds? Should others have a voice in your marriage also? How about folks telling you how you should raise your kids? Where does it stop if one group can make decisions for another group?

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Once again, I have to explain that I am simply trying to gather information on the scope of the Republican Party's communication of this issue to its party faithful.

By the way, arranged marriages used to be rather common in many Asian nations.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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While you're studying, look into why Canada, with no laws about abortion, has a lower abortion rate than the US with some of the most Draconian laws anywhere.

medi said:

Please excuse my focus on the opening question of your post:



I think that part of the reason I am on the fence on this issue is because I have not paid much attention to this issue for a very, very long time.

Also, I have had very little reason to study much about social matters in the daily lives of the mainland Chinese during my professional days of duty.

Upon consideration, though, I can't see how that would make much difference in the overall scheme of things. Whether you kill the human before birth, or just after, the rage should be equal and such information of said rage should be made aware to your own nation's people, if you feel so strongly about the death of those young ones. And that thought just came to me as I was thinking about your question. I didn't know I was going to be drawn into a debate like that.

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I can believe that you have not paid much attention to the issue by the careless use of your words. For example when you say, "Whether you kill the human before birth, or just after," It implies that you think late term abortions are happening.

You do realise that that is just a myth perpetuated by anti abortionists because they lack any good reasons for their wish to dominate and control women. And that right wing republicans have a habit of spreading lies and disinformation as a means to gain control.

Why should anyone feel rage over a person being able to have the freedom to decide what happens to their own body. Should not the rage be at those who demand that their morality is the only morality that matters and should be forced upon everyone.

stupid thread

medi said:

Upon consideration, though, I can't see how that would make much difference in the overall scheme of things. Whether you kill the human before birth, or just after, the rage should be equal and such information of said rage should be made aware to your own nation's people, if you feel so strongly about the death of those young ones.

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Uh ... no. Killing humans after they are born is murder. Abortion is not.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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It should be clear by now, esp under this administration, that much of the right arrogantly doesnt give a shit about the rest of the world. And much of the anti-abortion position is hypocritical anyway.

medi said:

Please excuse my focus on the opening question of your post:



I think that part of the reason I am on the fence on this issue is because I have not paid much attention to this issue for a very, very long time.

Also, I have had very little reason to study much about social matters in the daily lives of the mainland Chinese during my professional days of duty.

Upon consideration, though, I can't see how that would make much difference in the overall scheme of things. Whether you kill the human before birth, or just after, the rage should be equal and such information of said rage should be made aware to your own nation's people, if you feel so strongly about the death of those young ones. And that thought just came to me as I was thinking about your question. I didn't know I was going to be drawn into a debate like that.

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Where's the rage over a woman being denied her rights and autonomy (as guaranteed by the Constitution) by the state? Where's the rage for a child born to parents who may not want them or are not ready or fit to care for them, possibly leading to abuse, neglect, or worse? Where's the rage for families who might fall into poverty or remain stuck in it because they were forced to gestate or denied an abortion? Where's the rage when a woman's life may be profoundly affected, and not necessarily in a positive way when she's denied an abortion? Anti-abortions are often so tunnel visioned and emotional over a embryo/fetus, they ignore everything else surrounding it, especially the pregnant woman and her life. But then, the only anti abortion arguments I have seen are based on nothing but emotion and feelings. They cannot seem to provide a rational or objective argument for their position.

medi said:

When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

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We have no say in China. We are more concerned with having influence in what goes on here.

medi said:

Firstly, this is really just for learning at my end. I am personally not so sure where I stand on this abortion issue. But that doesn't mean the debate is meaningless to me.

Now here is my simple question: When and in what context (in what manner) did the Republican Party of the United States denounce in strong terms the many-many-many abortions that were being performed in China for many decades?

I mean, you must not be JUST interested in saving only those that are in the process of being born in JUST the United States, if you are so truly believing in your cause that you can do horrible stuff to demonstrate your hatred of abortion laws in the United Sates, right?

So just how did your political party denounce the abortions of so-so-so many in China? And when?

And if anyone wishes to extend this question to other nations, that is fine by me. Just that I think during that policy of one child per family that was enforced for so long there must have been some huge numbers of abortions in that nation. And I do not have knowledge of how that was brought to public attention by the Republican Party.

And I am going to repeat, I really am not sure on which side I am on this issue. One reason could be that I have lived in Asian nations for most of my adult life and cultural issues may be clouding my thinking. I'm really not sure why this issue has me on the fence. - This is a studying thing here for me, for a number of reasons. If you study my posts in many threads you will start to see I am beginning to connect the dots, and this is just one more area of study I hope I'll have time enough to help me with another project.

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You're assuming the term 'pro-life' as a literal, authentic, good faith standpoint?

That's quite a leap.

medi said:

Once again, I have to explain that I am simply trying to gather information on the scope of the Republican Party's communication of this issue to its party faithful.

By the way, arranged marriages used to be rather common in many Asian nations.

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Here too.

MAGAnificent said:

We have no say in China. We are more concerned with having influence in what goes on here.

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Over many decades the wealthy of this nation and many in Europe and India have had a lot more influence on the elites in China than maybe you are aware. In fact, it was those very "western" elites and others not under the label of being "western" that allowed for the success of the changes that have taken place in China since the revolution commonly referred to as Tiananmen Square that was so ruthlessly crushed.

And that part you wrote about "having influence in what goes on here" and using "we" might be understood as you think the average U.S. citizen has any power after a general election. That is not the case in any way, shape, or form. Once the power of a given political party has been established for the next four years we ain't got no way to change the course a given executive admin wants to follow.

It is the folks the world over with the most money in the system that have the "influence" --- not you, not I, not our average citizens. We are now living in a planetary economic system and the money elites are running the show, and have been for many decades. The huge shift took place during and after Tiananmen Square, except most people don't really understand what happened then and after. Just like most people don't understand what is happening right now.

You can bet your sweet bippy that if the Republican Party elites had made a big deal about the abortion issue in mainland China, the result would have at least made people realize that we are not such a selfish nation as to ONLY worry about human life in JUST our nation.

Plus we see so much made of such matters as the holocaust when it suits a political agenda to do so, so the idea that we have no need to highlight other mass killings around the planet seems a tad weird.

If we want to ignore one type of mass killing, but not another, we aren't being fair. Or we are simply being convenient with our rage. Convenience for serving non-death issues, like political power.

medi said:

If we want to ignore one type of mass killing, but not another, we aren't being fair. Or we are simply being convenient with our rage. Convenience for serving non-death issues, like political power.

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I said nothing about ignoring anything going on in the world. I just spend most of my productive time concerned with what I do have some level of influence on. I cannot vote in China. I can vote here.