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You switched opinions on responsibility pretty quickly, predictably partisan of you.
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A report card on the Biden administration
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You switched opinions on responsibility pretty quickly, predictably partisan of you.
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Of course.This is what politics is all about
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At least you admit your blatant partisanship to the point of being incapable for thinking for yourself.
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On Dec 18, 2020, Trump tweeted: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Three permits were issued for protests on 1/6/21 (Rally to Revival, The Silent Majority, and March for Trump/Save America), but none gave permission to march to the Capitol building.
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When it comes Congress, it gets complicated. I will allow CBS to explain it.
"The Senate passed a budget resolution very early Friday morning, a key step for the Democratic-controlled Congress to pass President Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief proposal without any Republican votes. The 51-50 vote, with Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie, came after an all-night marathon "vote-a-arama."
"The "vote-a-rama" included 41 votes with dozens of amendments considered. Harris cast her first tie-breaking votes as vice president, allowing the resolution to finally pass shortly before 6 a.m. with support from all 50 Democratic senators.
"The Senate voted to reject a major component of the Biden plan — raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. In a voice vote, senators narrowly approved an amendment from Iowa Republican Joni Ernst that would ban the increase during a pandemic. However, the increase could be restored when the final measure is hashed out.
"Passing a budget resolution is part of a process known as reconciliation, which allows legislation to pass in the Senate with only a simple majority instead of the typical 60-vote threshold, meaning Democrats would be able to green-light it without any Republican votes.
"The House passed the Senate-approved budget resolution later on Friday. Now that both houses of Congress have approved the resolution, which serves as the vehicle for the legislation, committees can begin formulating a reconciliation bill itself. The final reconciliation bill will receive 20 hours of debate, and then another "vote-a-rama" before a vote in both chambers."
"The Senate passed a budget resolution very early Friday morning, a key step for the Democratic-controlled Congress to pass President Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief proposal without any Republican votes. The 51-50 vote, with Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie, came after an all-night marathon "vote-a-arama."
"The "vote-a-rama" included 41 votes with dozens of amendments considered. Harris cast her first tie-breaking votes as vice president, allowing the resolution to finally pass shortly before 6 a.m. with support from all 50 Democratic senators.
"The Senate voted to reject a major component of the Biden plan — raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. In a voice vote, senators narrowly approved an amendment from Iowa Republican Joni Ernst that would ban the increase during a pandemic. However, the increase could be restored when the final measure is hashed out.
"Passing a budget resolution is part of a process known as reconciliation, which allows legislation to pass in the Senate with only a simple majority instead of the typical 60-vote threshold, meaning Democrats would be able to green-light it without any Republican votes.
"The House passed the Senate-approved budget resolution later on Friday. Now that both houses of Congress have approved the resolution, which serves as the vehicle for the legislation, committees can begin formulating a reconciliation bill itself. The final reconciliation bill will receive 20 hours of debate, and then another "vote-a-rama" before a vote in both chambers."
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The Times reports, "In a letter to Mr. Trump, Representative Jamie Raskin, the lead House impeachment prosecutor, said the former president’s response this week to the House’s charge that he incited an insurrection on Jan. 6 had disputed crucial facts about his actions, and demanded further explanation."
“Two days ago, you filed an answer in which you denied many factual allegations set forth in the article of impeachment,” wrote Mr. Raskin, Democrat of Maryland. “You have thus attempted to put critical facts at issue notwithstanding the clear and overwhelming evidence of your constitutional offense.”
The Times continued, "But Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Bruce L. Castor Jr. and David Schoen, wasted little time in swatting away the invitation. They said that Mr. Trump wanted no part of a proceeding they insisted was “unconstitutional” because he is no longer in office, and called Mr. Raskin’s request a “public relations stunt.'"
Asking the acussed to testify on his behalf is a “public relations stunt?" What law school did these two attend? Is this the best Trump could get?
Or, are Trump's lawyers having a difficult time defending a guilty man?
In any case, Senate Republicans bent on acquitting Trump breathed a sign of relief. Testimony from a famously impolitic Trump who continues to insist falsely that he won the election risks jeopardizing his defense.
Their logic as witnesses to the sacrilege done to our capitol and knowing Trump is guilty is absurd. Republican Senators know perfectly well Trump would incriminate himself. So, they are relieved he won't testify. They will vote to free a guilty man.
The Democrats benefit more from Trump's refusal. They quickly claimed — despite the defense’s protests — that his refusal established an “adverse inference supporting his guilt,” meaning that they would cite his silence as further proof that their allegations are true.
We know Republicans will acquit, but the interesting factor is how Americans will vote in the court of public opinion.
No doubt Trump's followers will remain silent on this issue. Can anyone blame them? Their support for Trump continues to be a mystery.
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Facing potential censure by Nebraska’s Republican Party, Sen. Ben Sasse is fighting back.
Fox News reports, "The conservative senator and vocal critic of former President Trump – who was overwhelmingly reelected in November to a second term in the Senate – charges that the moves by the Nebraska GOP are because he refuses to bend "the knee" and "worship" Trump, who remains very popular and influential with Republican voters."
Why Trump remains "very popular and influential with Republican voters" is anyone's guess, and they aren't talking. Embarrassed? Under Trump's stewardship the Republican Party lost the House, the Senate, and the White House. Go figure. It's more of a religious cult than a political movement.
And Trump is their savior?!?
Fox continued, "Sasse, who’s been censured by the state party in the past for not supporting Trump, is facing disciplinary action again for attacking Trump’s unsuccessful efforts to overturn his defeat in the presidential election at the hands of Joe Biden. They are also targeting him for decrying Trump’s encouragement of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by right wing extremists and other Trump supporters who attempted to derail the congressional certification of Biden’s Electoral College victory. Five people, including a Capitol Police officer, were killed during the insurrection."
Sasse deserves an award, not censure. Have Republicans lost their minds?
His comments come as the Republican Party at large grapples with warring factions at odds over whether to continue the party in Trump's likeness or forge a new path veering from the former President's legacy.
"January 6th is going to leave a scar," Sasse said. "For 220 years, one of the most beautiful things about America has been our peaceful transfer of power. But what Americans saw three weeks ago was ugly, shameful mob violence to disrupt a constitutionally mandated meeting of Congress to affirm that peaceful transfer of power."
"You are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about why this is happening: It's because I still believe -- as you used to -- that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude. The party could purge Trump skeptics, but I'd like to convince you that not only is this 'civic cancer' for the nation, it's also terrible for our party," Sasse added.
Fox News reports, "The conservative senator and vocal critic of former President Trump – who was overwhelmingly reelected in November to a second term in the Senate – charges that the moves by the Nebraska GOP are because he refuses to bend "the knee" and "worship" Trump, who remains very popular and influential with Republican voters."
Why Trump remains "very popular and influential with Republican voters" is anyone's guess, and they aren't talking. Embarrassed? Under Trump's stewardship the Republican Party lost the House, the Senate, and the White House. Go figure. It's more of a religious cult than a political movement.
And Trump is their savior?!?
Fox continued, "Sasse, who’s been censured by the state party in the past for not supporting Trump, is facing disciplinary action again for attacking Trump’s unsuccessful efforts to overturn his defeat in the presidential election at the hands of Joe Biden. They are also targeting him for decrying Trump’s encouragement of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by right wing extremists and other Trump supporters who attempted to derail the congressional certification of Biden’s Electoral College victory. Five people, including a Capitol Police officer, were killed during the insurrection."
Sasse deserves an award, not censure. Have Republicans lost their minds?
His comments come as the Republican Party at large grapples with warring factions at odds over whether to continue the party in Trump's likeness or forge a new path veering from the former President's legacy.
"January 6th is going to leave a scar," Sasse said. "For 220 years, one of the most beautiful things about America has been our peaceful transfer of power. But what Americans saw three weeks ago was ugly, shameful mob violence to disrupt a constitutionally mandated meeting of Congress to affirm that peaceful transfer of power."
"You are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about why this is happening: It's because I still believe -- as you used to -- that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude. The party could purge Trump skeptics, but I'd like to convince you that not only is this 'civic cancer' for the nation, it's also terrible for our party," Sasse added.
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It's about freaking time. Why this network allowed the promotion of outright lies for years is a mystery. Now they pay.
NBC News reports, "Fox News Media has cancelled Lou Dobbs' show, benching its business network’s highest-rated host and a vocal supporter of former President Donald Trump as both Dobbs and Fox face a billion-dollar lawsuit over false claims about the integrity of the 2020 election.
"The move, which was first reported by the Los Angeles Times and confirmed by a Fox News spokesperson Friday, came one day after Fox and Dobbs were named in the $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit brought by Smartmatic, a voting software company that was the subject of several false claims made on Fox News and Fox Business.
"The cancellation brings an end to Dobbs' decade-long run on the network, where he was a staunch advocate for Trump and many of his most conspiratorial views.
"The Smartmatic suit alleges that Fox News, three of its hosts — Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro — and Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell defamed the company by falsely claiming that Smartmatic was used to rig the 2020 election."
NBC News reports, "Fox News Media has cancelled Lou Dobbs' show, benching its business network’s highest-rated host and a vocal supporter of former President Donald Trump as both Dobbs and Fox face a billion-dollar lawsuit over false claims about the integrity of the 2020 election.
"The move, which was first reported by the Los Angeles Times and confirmed by a Fox News spokesperson Friday, came one day after Fox and Dobbs were named in the $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit brought by Smartmatic, a voting software company that was the subject of several false claims made on Fox News and Fox Business.
"The cancellation brings an end to Dobbs' decade-long run on the network, where he was a staunch advocate for Trump and many of his most conspiratorial views.
"The Smartmatic suit alleges that Fox News, three of its hosts — Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro — and Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell defamed the company by falsely claiming that Smartmatic was used to rig the 2020 election."
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The pro-Trump state Republican Party in Oregon declared the Jan. 6 assault on our capital a "false flag" event.
On January 6, 138 House Republicans supported Trump's insurrection and the claim that the election was stolen from him.
On Feb. 4, 199 House Republicans voted their support for Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga who has promoted QAnon, the debunked conspiracy theory that imagines Trump was leading a fight against a government controlled by a global deep state cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles. Also, Greene has said school shootings were staged, and repeatedly endorsed executing Democratic leaders.
Sen. Ben Sasse is facing potential censure by Nebraska’s Republican Party because of his criticism of Trump. "You are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about why this is happening: It's because I still believe -- as you used to -- that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude," Sasse said.
The A.P. reports, "The Wyoming Republican Party voted overwhelmingly Saturday to censure U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol."
The Republican Party is in real trouble and its rational leaders know it. These leaders know that the American people will be the final judge, not the Senate and not Congress as a whole. They have already proven it by removing the House, Senate, and White House from GOP control.
With the exception of Greene -- who isn't the brightest bulb -- notice how quiet those Republicans are who support extremism. Not a word.
On January 6, 138 House Republicans supported Trump's insurrection and the claim that the election was stolen from him.
On Feb. 4, 199 House Republicans voted their support for Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga who has promoted QAnon, the debunked conspiracy theory that imagines Trump was leading a fight against a government controlled by a global deep state cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles. Also, Greene has said school shootings were staged, and repeatedly endorsed executing Democratic leaders.
Sen. Ben Sasse is facing potential censure by Nebraska’s Republican Party because of his criticism of Trump. "You are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about why this is happening: It's because I still believe -- as you used to -- that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude," Sasse said.
The A.P. reports, "The Wyoming Republican Party voted overwhelmingly Saturday to censure U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol."
The Republican Party is in real trouble and its rational leaders know it. These leaders know that the American people will be the final judge, not the Senate and not Congress as a whole. They have already proven it by removing the House, Senate, and White House from GOP control.
With the exception of Greene -- who isn't the brightest bulb -- notice how quiet those Republicans are who support extremism. Not a word.
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Steve Vladeck opines, "We should expect a fair amount of discussion of the Constitution during this week's Senate impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump. After all, Trump's Senate brief raises at least four distinct constitutional objections to his potential conviction — whether a former president can even be tried, whether the chief justice has to preside, whether a president can be impeached for constitutionally protected speech and, if not, whether his speech actually was protected by the First Amendment."
So, according to Trump Republicans and Trump's lawyers, "Give me your money or I will kill you" is an example of free speech. So is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater where there is none.
Vladeck, continued, "Even though the overwhelming consensus of constitutional scholars is that each of Trump's constitutional arguments is meritless, that's just not going to matter so long as 34 or more senators conclude otherwise, either because of genuine legal theorizing or, more likely, because they see the arguments as a useful way to avoid having to either condemn or condone Trump's misconduct leading up to and during the Jan. 6 insurrection."
Final judgment will be brought forward by the American people, and the GOP is in a heap of trouble.
In the meantime Trump's followers on this forum remain silent on the issue.
So, according to Trump Republicans and Trump's lawyers, "Give me your money or I will kill you" is an example of free speech. So is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater where there is none.
Vladeck, continued, "Even though the overwhelming consensus of constitutional scholars is that each of Trump's constitutional arguments is meritless, that's just not going to matter so long as 34 or more senators conclude otherwise, either because of genuine legal theorizing or, more likely, because they see the arguments as a useful way to avoid having to either condemn or condone Trump's misconduct leading up to and during the Jan. 6 insurrection."
Final judgment will be brought forward by the American people, and the GOP is in a heap of trouble.
In the meantime Trump's followers on this forum remain silent on the issue.
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There are four Senate impeachment trials in our history. Two of them belong to Trump.
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The pro-Trump state Republican Party in Oregon declared the Jan. 6 assault on our capital a "false flag" event.
On January 6, 138 House Republicans supported Trump's insurrection and the claim that the election was stolen from him.
On Feb. 4, 199 House Republicans voted their support for Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga who has promoted QAnon, the debunked conspiracy theory that imagines Trump was leading a fight against a government controlled by a global deep state cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles. Also, Greene has said school shootings were staged, and repeatedly endorsed executing Democratic leaders.
Sen. Ben Sasse is facing potential censure by Nebraska’s Republican Party because of his criticism of Trump. "You are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about why this is happening: It's because I still believe -- as you used to -- that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude," Sasse said.
The A.P. reports, "The Wyoming Republican Party voted overwhelmingly Saturday to censure U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol."
The Republican Party is in real trouble and its rational leaders know it. These leaders know that the American people will be the final judge, not the Senate. They have already proven it by removing the House, Senate, and White House from GOP control.
In Trump's impeachment trial it would be wise of Senate Republicans to convict.
The whole country knows Trump is guilty as charged. Because they are avoiding what their client did, Trump's lawyers know he is guilty.
And so do Senate Republicans.
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Yup,I never imagined he would cause so many people to lose their jobs in such a small time.He's incredible.
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In the meantime Biden is staying out of the fray. He wants nothing to do with the impeachment trial. He is concentrating on Covid relief, his $1.9 trillion package, vaccinations and the pandemic, as well other matters.
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I really hat when that happens.
The news media is totally ignoring the elephant in the room.
Donald Trump's second impeachment trial is scheduled to begin today.
An essential part of Trump's defense is the claim that his impeachment trial is unconstitutional.
NBC News reports, "The proceedings begin Tuesday with four hours of argument on the constitutionality of the trial by the House managers and Trump's lawyers. While 45 Republicans voted in favor of a measure that argued the proceedings were unconstitutional last month, some of those senators said they simply wanted a debate on the issue. The Senate would then hold a vote on whether to proceed — a measure that only needs a simple majority and is expected to pass easily."
If the Senate votes that the impeachment trial is not unconstitutional, can Trump's defense team be able to use unconstitutionality as a defense?
I have scoured the media for two days to find an answer to that question to no avail.
The news media is totally ignoring the elephant in the room.
Donald Trump's second impeachment trial is scheduled to begin today.
An essential part of Trump's defense is the claim that his impeachment trial is unconstitutional.
NBC News reports, "The proceedings begin Tuesday with four hours of argument on the constitutionality of the trial by the House managers and Trump's lawyers. While 45 Republicans voted in favor of a measure that argued the proceedings were unconstitutional last month, some of those senators said they simply wanted a debate on the issue. The Senate would then hold a vote on whether to proceed — a measure that only needs a simple majority and is expected to pass easily."
If the Senate votes that the impeachment trial is not unconstitutional, can Trump's defense team be able to use unconstitutionality as a defense?
I have scoured the media for two days to find an answer to that question to no avail.
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As expected, the House managers' presentation of the impeachment charge and its constitutionality was impressive and compelling.
As expected, the presentation by Trump's lawyers was not impressive and not compelling. Despite the lack of proof of the unconstitutionality of the trial, 44 Republicans voted it was unconstitutional.
Trump's lawyers completely ignored the evidence. Part of it being, it was Republicans who would not allow the trial while Trump was President. Mitch McConnell would be the senate majority leader until Jan. 20. He did not allow the trial to start on his watch.
Trump's lawyers completely ignored what Trump did. Instead, they talked about what the House did and those nasty Democrats while using provocative terms to cause emotional responses.
They argued that a horrible precedence would be set by the impeachment trial suggesting members of Congress would do horrible things they haven't done in 245 years. They failed to mention the real precedent that would be set. Future Presidents would be responsible for their action from their first day in office to their last.
Trump's lawyers relied on the lecture technique in explaining jurisprudence and melodrama for its dramatic effect. The Senators were not impressed.
Apparently, Trump was not happy with their presentations. One offered modest praise to the House impeachment managers, saying they delivered an "outstanding presentation" and calling them "clever fellows."
Trump should cut them some slack. After all, they are dealing with a guilty client.
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NBC News reports, "The Senate voted Tuesday to proceed with the impeachment trial against former President Donald Trump, with six Republicans joining all Democrats.
"The 56-44 vote rejected an argument from Trump's lawyers that it is unconstitutional to try a former president, a debate that took up much of the first day of arguments from the House impeachment managers and Trump's legal team.
"Voting alongside all Senate Democrats were Sens. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Mitt Romney, R-Utah, Ben Sasse, R-Neb., Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Bill Cassidy, R-La."
Trump's second impeachment trial kicked off earlier Tuesday afternoon with a jarring 20-minute video montage of the devastating events of the Capitol riots, forcing the chamber of senators to relive some of the most intense moments from Jan. 6, some of which occurred at the very desks at which they were sitting.
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While right-wing supporters of Trump were storming the U.S. capitol building in an effort to stop Congress tallying Electoral College votes that will deliver the Presidency to Joe Biden, Trump decided this was a good time to attack Vice President Mike Pence for not doing the job for them.
As pence was fleeing for his life Trump tweeted:
As pence was fleeing for his life Trump tweeted:
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An NBC analysis:
Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., the lead House impeachment manager, showed them video of the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol and recalled in emotional terms and vivid detail his effort to keep himself and his family members safe during it.
"This cannot be the future," Raskin said, his voice cracking.
It will be up to Republicans to determine whether the Senate punishes him for his role in the riot. Collectively, their individual decisions will bring into relief not just the future of the Republican Party for the next two years ahead of the 2022 midterm election, but also perhaps far beyond that.
Not only will they decide whether Trump remains their party's standard-bearer until the next presidential primary — as a possible candidate for the office he just lost — but also whether the GOP establishment wants to continue to be defined by the type of populism on which he built his political empire and then weaponized with an aim on the Capitol.
In impeachment trial, a clarifying moment for the GOP
Analysis: Across the political spectrum, the expected acquittal of Donald Trump foretells a future of right-wing populism for the GOP.
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Georgia prosecutors have launched a criminal investigation into former President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the state's election results.
NBC News reports, "Twitter will uphold its ban on former President Donald Trump, even if he were to run for office again, according to the company's chief financial officer."
“When you’re removed from the platform, you’re removed from the platform,” Twitter CFO Ned Segal told CNBC in an interview on Wednesday morning.
“Our policies are designed to make sure that people are not inciting violence,” Segal said. “He was removed when he was president and there’d be no difference for anybody who’s a public official once they’ve been removed from the service.”
NBC News reports, "Twitter will uphold its ban on former President Donald Trump, even if he were to run for office again, according to the company's chief financial officer."
“When you’re removed from the platform, you’re removed from the platform,” Twitter CFO Ned Segal told CNBC in an interview on Wednesday morning.
“Our policies are designed to make sure that people are not inciting violence,” Segal said. “He was removed when he was president and there’d be no difference for anybody who’s a public official once they’ve been removed from the service.”
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Trump is not the only one on trial in the Senate. Republicans in the Senate are also on trial, and they will not render the final judgment upon Trump. The American people will.
All reports still indicate that getting 17 Republicans to convict is a stretch. After watching the presentations by the House managers for two days, one can easily conclude that using the argument that the trial is unconstitutional as an excuse to acquit is absolutely ludicrous. No one in the country will believe that, including Senate Republicans.
Using such an argument equates to rejecting reality to support the absolutely worst President this country has had in modern times.
If Senate Republicans acquit, the American people will ensure the GOP pays heavily for the grievance.
Proof of that is this thread. Trump's followers -- the few that are left -- are smart enough to remain silent. Attempting to challenge reality is not a wise course of action.
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Now this could prove interesting.
Politico reports, "Few Trump-era mysteries are as intriguing as what the 45th president said to Vladimir Putin in at least a dozen rambling, off-the-cuff calls and meetings over four years. Understanding what was said between the two could help illuminate whether Trump ever revealed sensitive information or struck any deals with the Kremlin leader that could take the new administration by surprise.
"Now that President Joe Biden is in the White House, he can see for himself."
Politico reports, "Few Trump-era mysteries are as intriguing as what the 45th president said to Vladimir Putin in at least a dozen rambling, off-the-cuff calls and meetings over four years. Understanding what was said between the two could help illuminate whether Trump ever revealed sensitive information or struck any deals with the Kremlin leader that could take the new administration by surprise.
"Now that President Joe Biden is in the White House, he can see for himself."
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I have absolutely no idea how Trump's "B" team of lawyers are going to defend him when their turn comes up.
Are they going to argue that Presidents are not responsible for what they do during their last 30 days in office, meaning from a Congressional point of view his impeachment is unconstitutional. That concept is ludicrous, but so is the assertion that Trump is innocent.
Are they going to argue that telling an armed mob of right wing extremists that the rules have changed, it's okay march down to the capitol to fight for Trump's election success, and that the vice-president failed in his duty is an example of free speech?
That argument is equally ludicrous.
We won't get any answers from Trump's followers. They are not saying a thing about this issue. They just want it to go away.
Of course, this begs a question. Does Trump still have a following of substance? There are many who doubt it. A following of only right wing extremists is not a following of substance. His supporters in the Senate are a quiet bunch. One would think they would vocalize their defense of Trump, but they are not doing that.