Ok. Here's the thing. I have nothing against gay people. I have relatives who are gay. Despite arguments to the contrary, I view homosexuality as a very natural thing. You ARE "just born" that way. And it's not something that humans have just made up for our own amusement. Instances of homosexuality have been documented in other species.
However, I do have an issue with the whole "gay culture." It has completely blown this issue out of proportion. In an effort to make people more aware of homosexuality, frankly, I think it has completely cheapened it. Those who are truly homosexual have to undergo a very long and personal process of self realization. It's not just about experimentation and Hollywood people having same sex relationships because they ran out of opposite sex people to sleep with. The concepts of "love" and "sex" have become synonymous. Which is sad.
So as of right now, I really don't care if it's PC to love gay people. What you do sexually with another person is really no one's business. I think it's very possible for a homosexual couple to have a mature and stable relationship AND raise kids. But that kind of relationship is very different from that of a heterosexual relationship in terms of the dynamics that go on and should be treated as such.
Ok. Here's the thing. I have nothing against gay people. I have relatives who are gay. Despite arguments to the contrary, I view homosexuality as a very natural thing. You ARE "just born" that way. And it's not something that humans have just made up for our own amusement. Instances of homosexuality have been documented in other species.
However, I do have an issue with the whole "gay culture." It has completely blown this issue out of proportion. In an effort to make people more aware of homosexuality, frankly, I think it has completely cheapened it.
It doesn't matter if they can or cannot marry a heterosexual.
What matters is their right to marry who they want to marry. Which again I have shown that US laws guarantee your right to marry who you want to marry.
Well, boo hoo.
Maybe when they're fully accepted and integrated into mainstream culture, instead of being marginalized (by, for instance, not being allowed to marry or adopt children), they won't have to form their own parallel alternative culture.
The solution to your problem is right before your eyes.
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if by "a heterosexual" you mean "a person of the opposite sex," then of course it matters. that is a privilege given to everyone. if it were given to straights and not gays that would be an outrage.
without exception? come on. making your whole argument hinge on this fallacy is setting yourself up for defeat.
gay people aren't allowed to adopt children?
Many states do not have specific laws or court decisions on gay adoption or gay foster parenting, according to Paul Cattes, director of public education for the American Civil Liberties Union's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender project.
Eleven states and Washington, D.C. either implicitly or explicitly state that sexual orientation cannot legally prevent gay and lesbians from adopting, according to the Urban Institute report. (See the fact box to the left.)
Three states have laws denying gays and lesbians the right to adopt or take in foster children.
Though Mississippi allows single gays and lesbians to adopt, it prohibits same-sex couples from adopting. Utah excludes same-sex couples indirectly through a statute barring all unmarried couples from adopting or taking in foster children.
Florida is currently the only state that specifically bans "homosexual" individuals from adopting, although the state does allow them to be foster parents.
In the remaining 36 states, gays and lesbians who want to adopt or take in foster care children are at the mercy of judges and adoption and foster agencies, according to the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, a non-profit organization that studies adoption and foster care.
And although the institute says about 60 percent of all adoption agencies accept applications from gays and lesbians, they are often confronted with prejudice during the process.
Paula Prettyman's partner, Kelly Schlageter, used a sperm donor and gave birth to twin girls about six months ago. But Prettyman cannot adopt them because of a Virginia law that prohibits second-parent adoption unless the couple is married.
"In the minds of a lot of policymakers and politicians, I'm an unfit parent, but we spent tens of thousands of dollars and many years and many hours and a lot of emotional expense to bring these two beautiful girls into the world," Prettyman said. "And they are loved."
Others face opposition after being approved for adoption or foster care. For the Manford-Roach family, difficulties arose when they first tried to hyphenate Jackson's last name.
The judge overseeing the legal procedure in Dallas, Texas, crumpled up the paper and threw it over her shoulder when she realized they were a same-sex couple, Manford said.
"Get out of my courtroom, I would never do this for you," the judge said, according to Manford.
Arkansas, a state with three times as many children who need homes as people willing to adopt or foster them, just voted in a measure to prevent unmarried, cohabitating couples from adopting or fostering children.
other states have this rule as well. homosexuals are not banned from adopting in arkansas.
Arkansas, a state with three times as many children who need homes as people willing to adopt or foster them, just voted in a measure to prevent unmarried, cohabitating couples from adopting or fostering children.
You mind clarifying this for me please? Can't tell exactly what your saying or if you're just trying to be funny....
The only exception is that the both people that are getting married is that they are both of legal age and freely consenting. Both of which has obvious valid reasons.
Can homosexuals marry in Arkansas? If the can then I would agree. If not then how can homosexuals adopt or foster children when only married couples may adopt or foster children?
other states have this rule as well. homosexuals are not banned from adopting in arkansas.
... we both know that homosexuals cannot marry in arkansas, because they cannot marry in any state except MA and CT. you can understand the legal issues surrounding adoption by an unmarried couple of any sexual orientation, which is why only singles (homo or hetero) or married couples are allowed to adopt in arkansas.
All of this is an opinion as far as I can tell. As far as I can see it has nothing to do with allowing or disallowing gay marriage. Unless there's something in independent_thinker2002 question and your subsequent answer that could enlighten me?
Well, boo hoo.
Maybe when they're fully accepted and integrated into mainstream culture, instead of being marginalized (by, for instance, not being allowed to marry or adopt children), they won't have to form their own parallel alternative culture.
The solution to your problem is right before your eyes.
:roll:
If "unmarried, cohabitating couples" are prevented from "adopting or fostering children", then yes, homosexuals are prevented from adopting or fostering children.
They are not permitted to marry.
If "unmarried, cohabitating couples" are prevented from "adopting or fostering children", then yes, homosexuals are prevented from adopting or fostering children.
They are not permitted to marry.
That's like if I said "blue-eyed people are forbidden to adopt or foster children", but this new rule is not specifically aimed at excluding white people from adopting.
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Or, "People with penises are not permitted to adopt", but this isn't specifically aimed at men. Women with penises aren't allowed to adopt either, so it's not a sexually-discriminatory law. it applies to men and women equally.
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Go get married in a state that allows gay marriage. Or a country, for that matter.
no humor intended. dgomez asked if gay people cannot marry the exact same way straight people can: to members of the opposite gender. you said it doesn't matter. it DOES matter, especially if your argument is based on equal rights for gays and straights. a law saying that homosexuals are prohibited from participating in state-sanctioned marriage based on their sexuality would be highly discriminatory and invasive. no such law exists.
you say, "U.S. laws guarantee you the right to marry whoever you want"
I say, what if the person you want to marry is
1. not of "legal age"
2. not consenting
3. in prison
4. married to someone else
5. closely related to you
etc?
nowhere does it say that you can marry whoever you want.
It doesn't matter. These marriages are not recognized or acknowledged as legally valid in states or countries where same-sex marriage is against the law.
You didn't know this? :roll:
Thank you for the clairification. California just passed a state constitutional amendment stating that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. I'd say that, that was discriminatory against two men or two women that want to marry each other. It's not discriminatory based on sexuality..but it is discriminatory based on gender. Which again we have federal laws that ban discrimination based on sex. One law about employment and the other in hate crimes legislation. If discrimination of a persons sex is not allowed in one part of the government then it should not be allowed in ANY part of the government.
It doesn't matter. These marriages are not recognized or acknowledged as legally valid in states or countries where same-sex marriage is against the law.
You didn't know this? :roll:
Thank you for the clairification. California just passed a state constitutional amendment stating that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. I'd say that, that was discriminatory against two men or two women that want to marry each other. It's not discriminatory based on sexuality..but it is discriminatory based on gender. Which again we have federal laws that ban discrimination based on sex. One law about employment and the other in hate crimes legislation. If discrimination of a persons sex is not allowed in one part of the government then it should not be allowed in ANY part of the government.
While it doesn't say it explicitly it does show it. Loving vs Virginia is one case. And there are laws against forced marriages. IE you must have full and freely given consent to marry. These shows that you have a right to marry who you want to marry. You gotta remember that the Spirit of the Law is just as important as the Law itself. And many courts recognize this.
You say "very different". Please explain.
I say, what if the person you want to marry is
1. not of "legal age"
2. not consenting
3. in prison
4. married to someone else
5. closely related to you
etc?
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