A question for those opposed to homosexuality (1 Viewer)

[Red_Dave]

what, exactly, is it about homosexuality that is immoral? Homosexuality is natural [there are examples of homosexuality in most animals] and doesnt harm anyone so why is it wrong?

 

[The face of Jacob]

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what, exactly, is it about homosexuality that is immoral? Homosexuality is natural [there are examples of homosexuality in most animals] and doesnt harm anyone so why is it wrong?

Homosexulaity is not natural. It's not nautral for a man to have sex with other man. It's natural for man to have sex with a female. They have different genitalia systems for them to attract each other. It's natural for a man to have sex with a woman and for a woman to have sex with a man.

I don't buy this 3rd league nonsence that there are "examples of Homosexulaity in most animals" - this is rubbish. Couple of Gay researchers took 2 male mice and put them together in a small box, didn't give them food for 3 days and when the mice are getting crazy in the small box and start to run like crazy and when they will bump into each other then the Gay researchers will say: "Look, we found Gay mice..."

Homosexuality is only a kind of behaviour and people who are doing Homosexuality are doing it for their own reasons (and their own addictions...) but since everybody knows that it's not normal then they have their own excuses for it like many other excuses for doing unnormal things.

People aren't getting born with "genetic tendency" for Homosexuality in the same way that people aren't getting born with "genetic tendency" to be killers, rapists and stealers. People have the opertunity to choose how to behave and people can control their behaviour.

Homosexulaity is a bad behaviour cause God who created us forbidden us to do it in the same way that he forbidden us to do other negative things.

Homosexuality is bad because it causes many bad things. A Man doesn't have a genitalia in order to put it in the back of other man, he has a genitalia that fits to other places (or do you think, Red_Dave, that it's natural to put it in the back of other man?).

A man was created for him to live with a woman and also the woman was created to live with a man. Sex is not the target but only the means to combine the man and the woman for a life of sharing.

You can see that there is lots of violence and humiliation in Gay couples and for sure they aren't living a normal life. Most of them will betray each other and there are many killings within the Homosexuality society.

And again I'm saying that Homosexuality is only a behaviour. It's important to say that I don't have anything against Gays and I'm not gonna march in the streets against them. It's not my buisness what adult people are doing in their own private homes but nobody will sell me that 3rd leage nonsence that Homosexuality is natural. It isn't.

 

[1069]

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Homosexulaity is not natural. It's not nautral for a man to have sex with other man. It's natural for man to have sex with a female.

So? Nothing we do these days is "natural", and hasn't been for millenia.
And even if true, why would we aspire to be "natural"?
Animals are natural, and we seem to consider them inferior to humans for the very reason that they aren't capable of doing all the unnatural things that we do.

 

[Thinker]

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Homosexulaity is not natural

Yes it is.

It's not nautral for a man to have sex with other man.

yes it is.

I don't buy this 3rd league nonsence that there are "examples of Homosexulaity in most animals" - this is rubbish. Couple of Gay researchers took 2 male mice and put them together in a small box, didn't give them food for 3 days and when the mice are getting crazy in the small box and start to run like crazy and when they will bump into each other then the Gay researchers will say: "Look, we found Gay mice..."

"This is rubbish" applies to what follows those words. Most of the evidence
for homosexuality in nature comes from observations in the field. For example,
"Animals prefer Homosexuality to Evolutionism"

Homosexuality is only a kind of behaviour and people who are doing Homosexuality are doing it for their own reasons (and their own addictions...) but since everybody knows that it's not normal then they have their own excuses for it like many other excuses for doing unnormal things.

Nonsense.

People aren't getting born with "genetic tendency" for Homosexuality in the same way that people aren't getting born with "genetic tendency" to be killers, rapists and stealers. People have the opertunity to choose how to behave and people can control their behaviour.

So when do people "choose" to be heterosexual?

Homosexulaity is a bad behaviour cause God who created us forbidden us to do it in the same way that he forbidden us to do other negative things.

You may wish to belive in a god, but don't force it on the rest of us.

Homosexuality is bad because it causes many bad things.

I note you don't bother to mention any.

A Man doesn't have a genitalia in order to put it in the back of other man, he has a genitalia that fits to other places (or do you think, Red_Dave, that it's natural to put it in the back of other man?).

... just as a nose isn't there to support glasses.

A man was created for him to live with a woman and also the woman was created to live with a man. Sex is not the target but only the means to combine the man and the woman for a life of sharing.

Your belief, nothing more.

You can see that there is lots of violence and humiliation in Gay couples and for sure they aren't living a normal life.

You can see lots of violence... in heterosexual couples.

Most of them will betray each other and there are many killings within the Homosexuality society.

ditto in the heterosexual community.

And again I'm saying that Homosexuality is only a behaviour.

In the same sense that heterosexuality is only a behaviour?

It's important to say that I don't have anything against Gays and I'm not gonna march in the streets against them.

Of couse it is, because, if you didn't, you might start feeling guilty about your tirade.

It's not my buisness what adult people are doing in their own private homes...

At last you've written something that is true.

but nobody will sell me that 3rd leage nonsence that Homosexuality is natural. It isn't.

You are entitled to live in self-imposed ignorance.

 

[alienken]

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what, exactly, is it about homosexuality that is immoral? Homosexuality is natural [there are examples of homosexuality in most animals] and doesnt harm anyone so why is it wrong?

Sex exist for reproduction of all species of animals. I don't think we should compare ourselves with animals.Look at what animals do they kill each other and some even eat their young. They have no concept of morals.

 

[alienken]

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You are entitled to live in self-imposed ignorance.

Yes, self-imposed ignorance if he doesn't agree with you? That's the most ignorant thing I've heard/read.

 

[Tashah]

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Moved to a more appropriate forum

 

[rathi]

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Yes, self-imposed ignorance if he doesn't agree with you? That's the most ignorant thing I've heard/read.

No, its self-imposed ignorance because he is contesting reality. Animals engage in homosexual behavior. Its an undeniable fact. Nothing wrong with still claiming that homosexual behavior is morally wrong, but the natural aspect is something that can be proven.

Generalized Anti-Homosexual Arguments.

1. Its not natural.
Yes it is. Animals of the same gender regularly engage is sexual relations. And despite what Jacob says, this is very graphic insert tab a into slot b style stuff.
2. Its unsafe.
No more than the same sexual act between heterosexual couples. Plus lesbians are far less likely to spread std's than heterosexuals.
3. Its a lifestyle choice
Twin studies have shown that the estimate genetic correlation
for homsexual behavior is about 50% Note this counts self described homosexual as such. Also, behavioral genetics is pretty shoddy in areas like this.
4. Sex is meant for procreation
Sex has multiples uses, including social bonding between mates. Evolutionary biology, human anthropology and studying primates all observe this.
5. The Bible/Torah says so.
If I'm correct, the English translation says that men may not sleep with other men the same way they sleep with women. That leaves loopholes for lesbians as well as reserving anal only for other men. Of course that might just be a translation thing. But then again you could also knife a dude eating shellfish wearing polycotton blend using the same text. Arguing against faith is pointless.

 

[Thelost1]

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Face of Jacob, ever heard of Bonobos? Y'know, the ape that is one of our closest living relatives?

 

[Kelzie]

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Face of Jacob, ever heard of Bonobos? Y'know, the ape that is one of our closest living relatives?

Just a thought, but those that don't "believe" in homosexuality probably don't "believe" in evolution...

 

[Thelost1]

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Doesn't matter what they believe. There's a limit.

 

[Kelzie]

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Doesn't matter what they believe. There's a limit.

A limit to what they believe? I think it was Einstein who said there are two things without limits: the universe and human stupidity and he was so sure about the universe. A belief doesn't make it right.

 

[Thelost1]

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No, a limit to how long I tolerate stupidity.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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You know, I like the anti-homosexual arguments...I've refuted them so often and have all my links bookmarked that doing so requires little effort.

I especially enjoy the 'homosexuality is wrong because it's not natural' argument. So let's start here: define natural. Now watch the anti-gay contingent either scatter or trip over their own arguments.

 

[1069]

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You know, I like the anti-homosexual arguments...I've refuted them so often and have all my links bookmarked that doing so requires little effort.

I especially enjoy the 'homosexuality is wrong because it's not natural' argument. So let's start here: define natural. Now watch the anti-gay contingent either scatter or trip over their own arguments.

Have you seen this list? :lamo

Someone recently sent it to me in an email, but it's posted all over the internet, with minor variations (it seems I once read an even funnier, more cleverly-written version of this list, but I can't find it now).

Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Have you seen this list? :lamo

Someone recently sent it to me in an email, but it's posted all over the internet, with minor variations (it seems I once read an even funnier, more cleverly-written version of this list, but I can't find it now).

Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

Yup, a couple of times, 1069. I think it was posted on this site about a month or two ago, just don't remember where. Great piece of satire.

Also just another way for logic to destroy the anti-gay position.:smile:

 

[Navy Pride]

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The main sex act that gay men engage in is a perversion and is abnormal.........The anus was designed as and out take not and intake...

If striaht people engage in this act it is the same...........

 

[1069]

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The main sex act that gay men engage in is a perversion and is abnormal.........The anus was designed as and out take not and intake...

How the frap do you know?

Where you there when the anus was "designed"?
Did your butthole come with an instruction manual from the manufacturer?
Obviously, it was designed with the potential for both intake and output, the same as every other freaking orifice in your body.

:roll:

If striaht people engage in this act it is the same...........

Whatever. You probably think freakin' oral sex is "a perversion and unnatural" as well.
The older generation in general seems to lack imagination and ingenuity.

 

[bub]

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The anus was designed as and out take not and intake...

Yes, who are you to say that? God?

Gays do what they want with their butts. They may paint it in pink or make fart-concertoes, it's not my problem. They are adults and free.

And there have always been gay people, it was very common in the Antiquity (among others, the greek philosophs) so it's not "unnatural".

 

[1069]

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They may paint it in pink or make fart-concertoes

I think even straight men do that sometimes... :2rofll:

 

[Navy Pride]

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How the frap do you know?

Where you there when the anus was "designed"?
Did your butthole come with an instruction manual from the manufacturer?
Obviously, it was designed with the potential for both intake and output, the same as every other freaking orifice in your body.

:roll:



Whatever. You probably think freakin' oral sex is "a perversion and unnatural" as well.
The older generation in general seems to lack imagination and ingenuity.

Come on your smarter then that......The anus was designed to expel waste or feces.........

 

[Navy Pride]

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Yes, who are you to say that? God?

Gays do what they want with their butts. They may paint it in pink or make fart-concertoes, it's not my problem. They are adults and free.

And there have always been gay people, it was very common in the Antiquity (among others, the greek philosophs) so it's not "unnatural".

Who said there were nor always gay people? That has nothing to do with the question.......

 

[rathi]

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Come on your smarter then that......The anus was designed to expel waste or feces.........

For simplicity, I will agree with you on this. From and evolutionary standpoint that makes some sense. However, what is your point? Animals still use the anus during sex, regardless of whether it was designed for it or not. Humans were not designed to use keyboards, but here we are talking on the net. Explain to me the wrongness in anal or oral sex? And oral sex is very normal, anal is less common but still quite prolific. Foot fetishes are less common than either, do you have a problem with those?

 

[Navy Pride]

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For simplicity, I will agree with you on this. From and evolutionary standpoint that makes some sense. However, what is your point? Animals still use the anus during sex, regardless of whether it was designed for it or not. Humans were not designed to use keyboards, but here we are talking on the net. Explain to me the wrongness in anal or oral sex? And oral sex is very normal, anal is less common but still quite prolific. Foot fetishes are less common than either, do you have a problem with those?

Yes but we are a higher form of life then a dog.......they eat each others feces too........Well maybe your Ok with that......

 

[Skip]

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Navy Pride, what's your take on oral sex?