A poll I'd love to see

Craig234 · Mar 19, 2020

For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

Slavister · Mar 19, 2020

Favorability ratings come close enough I would guess. This is different from the head-to-head match-ups. Instead, these questions simply ask whether you consider a person favorably or not.

Here is one example recent poll.

It also asks other questions about each, such as whether voters think they are better at handling crisis, etc.

I scanned through it. People think Bernie is more honest but in all other categories they favor Biden - from crisis management to better leadership skills to overall favorability.

This applies to both Dems-only, as well as Dems+Reps.

Luther · Mar 19, 2020

Craig234 said:
For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

Well, Obviously Craig it's more than a "Safe choice" bud

Airyaman · Mar 19, 2020

Craig234 said:
For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

Since more Democrats are voting for Biden, don't you already have your answer?

Luther · Mar 19, 2020

Airyaman said:
Since more Democrats are voting for Biden, don't you already have your answer?

Yes, but Craig is still clinging to "Hope"(LOL)

AliHajiSheik · Mar 19, 2020

Craig234 said:
For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

We could only speculate how you would answer your own question, if it weren't for the stench of pleading desperation to get Bernie elected.

Mycroft · Mar 19, 2020

Slavister said:
Favorability ratings come close enough I would guess. This is different from the head-to-head match-ups. Instead, these questions simply ask whether you consider a person favorably or not.

Here is one example recent poll.

It also asks other questions about each, such as whether voters think they are better at handling crisis, etc.

I scanned through it. People think Bernie is more honest but in all other categories they favor Biden - from crisis management to better leadership skills to overall favorability.

This applies to both Dems-only, as well as Dems+Reps.

This poll doesn't give very much in the way of sampling data, except that 44% of those sampled are Dem or Dem leaning Inds. There is no data on the number of Rep or Rep leaning Inds sampled. Considering the fact that only 29% of the population is Dem, this suggests that poll is biased toward Dems. If more data were supplied and if that data supported this suggestion, I would REJECT!! this poll.

Since sufficient data is not supplied by the pollsters, I will simply IGNORE this poll...at least, in respect to any questions that involve Republican and Independent respondents.

Slavister · Mar 19, 2020

Mycroft said:
This poll doesn't give very much in the way of sampling data, except that 44% of those sampled are Dem or Dem leaning Inds. There is no data on the number of Rep or Rep leaning Inds sampled. Considering the fact that only 29% of the population is Dem, this suggests that poll is biased toward Dems. If more data were supplied and if that data supported this suggestion, I would REJECT!! this poll.

Since sufficient data is not supplied by the pollsters, I will simply IGNORE this poll...at least, in respect to any questions that involve Republican and Independent respondents.

As for December 2019, there are about 28% Dems but there are 43% that are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners".

Source 1

Source 2

So 44% of Dems or Dems leaning Inds is just about right.

In any case, I presented this poll for Biden vs Bernie comparison. I don't think it matters much about percentage of Dems - I realize it does not look great for your Dear Leader but this is not the topic of this thread, nor did I discuss it when presenting the poll.

Mycroft · Mar 19, 2020

Slavister said:
As for December 2019, there are about 28% Dems but there are 43% that are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners".

Source 1

Source 2

So 44% of Dems or Dems leaning Inds is just about right.

In any case, I presented this poll for Biden vs Bernie comparison. I don't think it matters much about percentage of Dems - I realize it does not look great for your Dear Leader but this is not the topic of this thread, nor did I discuss it when presenting the poll.

The problem with your two sources is that they are giving a general explanation. I'm addressing a specific poll. Neither you, I nor either of those two sources can say that the poll you linked did or didn't cook their numbers. They just don't give us enough data.

Now...considering the fact that other polls that HAVE given specific numbers that were bogus, this shows that some polls (a lot, actually) DO cook their numbers to get a desired result. Fox News polls are a PRIME example.

btw, if it turns out that poll you presented does manipulate sampling in reference to Trump, that should give you a heads up that they'll cook the numbers to get a desired result in reference to Biden vs Bernie. I'm simply suggesting that you take this poll...and most other polls...with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Slavister · Mar 19, 2020

Mycroft said:
The problem with your two sources is that they are giving a general explanation. I'm addressing a specific poll. Neither you, I nor either of those two sources can say that the poll you linked did or didn't cook their numbers. They just don't give us enough data.

Huh? You are now disputing 28% / 43% numbers? (you yourself gave the first one as a valid number)

Or you moved from from accusing 44% Dems/Leaning number being wrong to saying Ok, it's right, but things are still likely to be "cooked" because almost all polls are "cooked"...

Casper · Mar 19, 2020

Craig234 said:
For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

So why didn't you add a poll here? I would have if I wanted to get a sampling of those who would vote for either....

Mycroft · Mar 19, 2020

Slavister said:
Huh? You are now disputing 28% / 43% numbers? (you yourself gave the first one as a valid number)

Or you moved from from accusing 44% Dems/Leaning number being wrong to saying Ok, it's right, but things are still likely to be "cooked" because almost all polls are "cooked"...

Never mind. You are dismissed. (see my sig)

Craig234 · Mar 19, 2020

Casper said:
So why didn't you add a poll here? I would have if I wanted to get a sampling of those who would vote for either....

I don't want a meaningless small sample of the posters here on this, I wanted a sense of the national voters' views. I also realize even that is not that useful, it doesn't give much idea where voters would be if Bernie had months of campaigning as the nominee to change their views.

3leftsdoo · Mar 25, 2020

Craig234 said:
For both Democratic primary and general election voters: "If both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were guaranteed to win if nominated, who would you prefer be president?"

It would simply provide some clarity on who voters would prefer as president, which policies, rather than who they feel they have to vote for as the 'safe choice' on electablity. If anyone knows of such a poll, post it.

If the MSM told Democrats how great Bernie is, they'd vote for him.

But the oligarchy - which owns the MSM - HATES Bernie, and most Democrats can't think for themselves.

Also, the DNC - also owned by the oligarchy - HATES Bernie & stabbed him in the back again.

So no Bernie.

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