A Must-See Episode of Glenn Beck - Faith of our Founders

[Josie]

I'm still waiting on your critique of the show, Catz. It only takes about 40 minutes to watch.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

Let's try this again. The Founders created the Constitution to protect the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from controlling religion or establishing a national religion. The states could do their own thing, but the Federal Government was prohibited.

But many of the founders recognized the problems with establishing a state religion. And, the problems with government and religion being linked. That's why most of the religion/state associations were ultimately dissolved.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

I'm still waiting on your critique of the show, Catz. It only takes about 40 minutes to watch.

I watched 5 minutes, and it was excruciating. Beck's first comment was that Obama's advisors are all socialists . JEsus Christ, Mellie. Do you actually consider that an unbiased presentation of facts? If so, I'm sorry.

 

[Redress]

I watched 5 minutes, and it was excruciating. Beck's first comment was that Obama's advisors are all socialists . JEsus Christ, Mellie. Do you actually consider that an unbiased presentation of facts? If so, I'm sorry.

You watched Beck....:rofl

 

[Catz Part Deux]

You watched Beck....:rofl

I forced myself to, but when he went into full on rant mode in the first five minutes, and with that terrible plaid shirt and paisley tie, I had to stop. The horror.

I had some faint hope that he was having a rational moment, but alas.

 

[First Thought]

Ahhhh okay. Don't watch the man who has the largest collection of original early American documents in the world discuss the faith of our Founders. This show is like a history class. I challenge anyone to watch it and tell me what is untrue.

Gosh, ya might even learn something you didn't know. Or you could remain clueless and afraid to challenge your thinking. *shrug*

Your bias is showing. People are discussing how they would rather receive their information on the founders via well researched, scholarly papers and books. You would prefer that they watch Glenn Beck. I don't see this thread going anywhere. :shrug:

 

[Catz Part Deux]

Your bias is showing. People are discussing how they would rather receive their information on the founders via well researched, scholarly papers and books. You would prefer that they watch Glenn Beck. I don't see this thread going anywhere. :shrug:

Some people enjoy thinking, others enjoy having someone do their thinking for them, a la Glen Beck.

 

[UtahBill]

I am pretty sure that the values being touted as christian predate christianity, and that nearly all religions of today have the same set of values.

 

[Fiddytree]

I am pretty sure that the values being touted as christian predate christianity, and that nearly all religions of today have the same set of values.

Academically, theologically, intellectually, sure, many parts will find commonalities with other religions, or were perhaps consciously borrowed from other religions. However, Christianity itself is hard to ignore for its impact upon American identity.

Lastly, (to move back some number of pages) I highly doubt, that Glenn Beck has the most impressive collection of documents surrounding the early decades of American history. Furthermore, I am unsure if you know of people like this, but I do, there are many people out there who have books that they have no intention of looking through, and the texts serve as a sort of spice for interior decorating. It was once brought to my attention that a peer of mine who enjoys military history, has a large collection of texts at home, that are more or less "for show."

 

[Josie]

I watched 5 minutes, and it was excruciating. Beck's first comment was that Obama's advisors are all socialists . JEsus Christ, Mellie. Do you actually consider that an unbiased presentation of facts? If so, I'm sorry.

Unbiased? Of course not. I've never said he was unbiased. It's his show - his opinions.

 

[Josie]

Lastly, (to move back some number of pages) I highly doubt, that Glenn Beck has the most impressive collection of documents surrounding the early decades of American history.

He doesn't. His guest does.

 

[UtahBill]

He doesn't. His guest does.

I suspect the guest has collected only those writings that support his personal prejudices.....

 

[OKgrannie]

Let's try this again. The Founders created the Constitution to protect the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from controlling religion or establishing a national religion. The states could do their own thing, but the Federal Government was prohibited.

Jefferson and Madison, who were the most influential on the BofR, were also the most influential in passing the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom. Jefferson wrote this act BEFORE the Bill of Rights was passed, which indicates he believed the same freedom should extend to the states. There is NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL, to indicate that the wall of separation was to be one-directional. The two parts of the establishment clause mean that government and church are to be separate.

"AN ACT FOR ESTABLISHING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM", VIRGINIA

In Virginia, as the War of Independence approached, the Church of England had become entrenched in a position of power and was having an increasing influence over political affairs in Virginia. Nine of the 13 colonies had an established "official" state religion. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) was profoundly convinced in the importance of individual freedom of religion and freedom from religion. He felt that this was the best guarantee that the religious intolerance and bloodshed seen in of many European countries would not be exported to America.

In 1777, he drafted An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom. 1 In 1779, he became Governor and introduced the act into the legislature.

 

[OKgrannie]

He doesn't. His guest does.

At one time, I didn't know if David Barton was just a inept, incompetent researcher or a blatant liar. Watch these videos, you will see plainly David Barton caught in lies. He deliberately distorts facts.

Talk To Action | David Barton Keeps Up His Lies at Glenn Beck's American Revival Event

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I watched about half of it and I'll say this. I don't think any of what was said on there was factually inaccurate, I think it was simply irrelevant. Our country is a democracy, and as such, the opinions of the people alive today in America are what matter, not those of people who have been dead for 200 years or more. What the founding fathers intended when they wrote the constitution is irrelevant. All that matters is what was written, and it's up to us to interpret it as we choose.

:applaudExcellent post. Pretty much agree with everything you say, here.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

They used to be able to. It wouldn't be possible now because the Supreme Court would knock it down. I wouldn't be opposed to going back to that. If, for instance, my state wanted to establish a Catholic state, I'd move since I disagree with Catholics on almost everything.

It would never work now because the federal government has evolved into being the be-all-end-all instead of the other way around. The states are SUPPOSED to have more authority than the federal government.

No, the states could NOT set up a state religion. The first amendment would prohibit that, and the 10th wouldn't help them because of the existence of the 1st. Further, throughout history, starting with the nullification crisis, it has been established that the states can NOT create laws that over rule federal government laws. Though folks like you seem to believe that the US is a collection of individual fiefdoms that can create their own laws that over rule the federal government, we are not.

 

[pro-bipartisan]

No, the states could NOT set up a state religion. The first amendment would prohibit that, and the 10th wouldn't help them because of the existence of the 1st. Further, throughout history, starting with the nullification crisis, it has been established that the states can NOT create laws that over rule federal government laws. Though folks like you seem to believe that the US is a collection of individual fiefdoms that can create their own laws that over rule the federal government, we are not.

I disagree.

 

[Dogger807]

Having David Barton lecture on the religious views of the founding fathers is a lot like having a botanist offer commentary on evolution of mammals.

This is an skewed analogy. Your statement is extremely unfair to botanists.

 

[Dogger807]

Having David Barton lecture on the religious views of the founding fathers is a lot like having a botanist offer commentary on evolution of mammals.

This is an skewed analogy. Your statement is extremely unfair to botanists.

 

[PogueMoran]

Wow. There's an awful lot online about author David Barton...



David Barton - SourceWatch



What? An author who appeared on the Glen Beck show MADE UP A FICTIONAL QUOTE BY JAMES MADISON and other founding fathers in order to bolster his case? I'm shocked and appalled.

But not surprised.

Here's a little light reading for you, Mellie.

From Christian Ethics Today - An Expose on David Barton's Misinformation Campaign Wallbuilders or Mythbuilders By Nicholas P Miller - 003 p 17

Christianity's role in history of U.S. at issue

Key quote:



Having David Barton lecture on the religious views of the founding fathers is a lot like having a botanist offer commentary on evolution of mammals.

Catz its not surprising Beck would use Barton. Many fringe people use his shoddy research as supposed proof. He was popular for a while in the 90s but then disappeared about the time people researched some of his fake quotes. Hes had to make correction after correction to is videos and books.

His bad research leads people to falsely believe the ten commandments are posted in the lobby of the supreme court.

 

[PogueMoran]

Have you ever read Animal Farm? Just curious...

Have you? Do you know what its about? Do you know the author of it was a socialist? He wrote another book that you fringe types like to misconstrue.

 

[PogueMoran]

Christian principles WERE used to create and govern. Good gravy! What Founders documents are you reading where they DON'T mention God or scriptures?

The US constitution. A belief in God does not denote christianity.

 

[PogueMoran]

I forced myself to, but when he went into full on rant mode in the first five minutes, and with that terrible plaid shirt and paisley tie, I had to stop. The horror.

I had some faint hope that he was having a rational moment, but alas.

I watched a full episode the other night. I felt like i needed a shower after. I couldnt help but yell at my tv. It was when he had audience members on. One asked a question about what positive things he could point to. Instead he goes on and on about his childhood and never answers the question. I realize he does it for money and anyone who accepts what he says as truth when he doesnt believe it himself should rethink their lives. Beck personally believes in manmade global warming and uses green products in his own home.

 

[UtahBill]

Beck should be checked for syphillis....
Would not surprise me to find out he has some brain disorder related to end stage syphillis.
Even tho he would no longer be able to transmit the disease to others, the damage continues and the brain starts looking like swiss cheese.
Some historians think Hitler had it....

 

[Jetboogieman]

Ahhhh okay. Don't watch the man who has the largest collection of original early American documents in the world discuss the faith of our Founders. This show is like a history class. I challenge anyone to watch it and tell me what is untrue.

Gosh, ya might even learn something you didn't know. Or you could remain clueless and afraid to challenge your thinking. *shrug*

The only thing I'll ever learn from Beck is how to be a really big asshole.:mrgreen: