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A Modest Proposal for COVID-19 deniers

Phys251

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Trump supporters. We've heard from you stuff such as "this pandemic is no big deal." "This is just like the flu." "Everyone needs to stop panicking." "The CDC is blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda."

If you really think that, I have a simple challenge for you: Prove it with your actions. Don't wash your hands. Suck your fingers. Get on an airplane. Or a cruise ship. Find someone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19 and spend time with them. Better, if you two are consenting adults, let them feel you up. Have unprotected sex. Exchange as many bodily fluids as possible.

It's no big deal, right? It's just the flu, right? What's a little cough as repayment for your traveling the world and having hot, hot sex, right? All those travel tickets are on sale now, so go get some! :lol:

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(P.S. If you are too ignorant to know that "A Modest Proposal" means obvious satire or are too lazy to Google it, then please keep your ignorance a secret and don't reply to this. )
 

I love Johnathan Swift's satire.
 
Phys251 said:
(P.S. If you are too ignorant to know that "A Modest Proposal" means obvious satire or are too lazy to Google it, then please keep your ignorance a secret and don't reply to this. )
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The OP wasn't satirical, I reccomend you reread a Modest Proposal and try to comprehend what about the essay makes it satire.
 
CMPancake said:
The OP wasn't satirical, I reccomend you reread a Modest Proposal and try to comprehend what about the essay makes it satire.
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Eating poor children as a way to prevent them from being a burden to parents and society is satirical.
 
I think the goal right now is to slow the progression of the disease so it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals.

I heard on the radio that maybe 2-3% of the people who get it will need a ventilator. There are only 50K of those in the entire country and they are already being used for other purposes.

Talk about death panels. 5 patients show up needing a ventilator and you've got 3. What do you do?
 
Lisa said:
Eating poor children as a way to prevent them from being a burden to parents and society is satirical.
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Which is satirical due to Swift's very deliberate prose on making the essay sound serious, and intentional. Satire requires a bit more creative thinking than Phys is capable of.
 
CMPancake said:
Which is satirical due to Swift's very deliberate prose on making the essay sound serious, and intentional. Satire requires a bit more creative thinking than Phys is capable of.
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You are in no position to lecture me about what satire is and isn't, CMP.

CMPancake said:
The OP wasn't satirical, I reccomend you reread a Modest Proposal and try to comprehend what about the essay makes it satire.
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I sure as hell hope you aren't saying what I think you may be trying to say. :shock:
 

A modest proposal for the hysterics, keep calm, listen to the experts and not the partisan panic mongers on either side. Dr. Fauci is speaking at the moment.
Wishing harm on others is sick, very very sick
 
Phys251 said:
You are in no position to lecture me about what satire is and isn't, CMP.



I sure as hell hope you aren't saying what I think you may be trying to say. :shock:
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I'm absolutely in a position to lecture you on satire. You're one of the dimmest people on this site. If you thought your OP was genuinely clever then I have some Minion memes that I'm sure will make you LOL (ps: That means Laugh Out Loud. Give my best to Enid and the dogs!)
 
Lovebug said:
Sick joke comes to mind
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Phys isn't a sick person. He's just dumb, and thought he was turning a phrase. What is sick however is supporting for profit healthcare instead of Medicare for All.
 
CMPancake said:
Which is satirical due to Swift's very deliberate prose on making the essay sound serious, and intentional. Satire requires a bit more creative thinking than Phys is capable of.
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You're saying it's bad satire, not that it isn't satire.
 
Variant said:
You're saying it's bad satire, not that it isn't satire.
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If satire is done poorly then it isn't satire. Kinda like how if you cook bread for too long it becomes toast.
 

:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

You think you are in ANY kind of position WHATSOEVER to lecture me about the quality of writing? After you write pure trash such as that?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh. Oh man. Let me literally pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard. Seriously, I needed some comic relief, and you just delivered! :thumbs:

Also, you did not address my concern. Exactly what did you mean by this?

CMPancake said:
The OP wasn't satirical
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I hope for your sake that you are not even trying to suggest that the OP should be taken literally.
 
CMPancake said:
If satire is done poorly then it isn't satire. Kinda like how if you cook bread for too long it becomes toast.
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Writing isn't bread. It's satire because of how it is structured.

You not liking something doesn't change what it is.
 
Variant said:
Writing isn't bread. It's satire because of how it is structured.

You not liking something doesn't change what it is.
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And what about the structure of the OP is satirical? More to the point, how does it even compare up to a Modest Proposal? MP made an actual argument and used dehumanizing language and used the prose of British Elites to ridicule and shame the ruling class. What Phys did was more sacaristic than satirical.
 
I got my 2020 Census in the mail today. I will be damned if I fill it out. My household size may be trimmed down by coronavirus. They are going to have to send a little old numbers nazi to my door with a clipboard.
 

It meets the definition.

Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

In this case I would think it would fall under ridicule.
 
Variant said:
It meets the definition.

Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues
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It literally does not meet any of that criteria. It wasn't funny, ironic, or exaggeration. The OP only dared Republicans to catch Corona. That requires zero wit, comparing it to Jonathan Swift is an insult to Swift's work.
 
CMPancake said:
It literally does not meet any of that criteria. It wasn't funny, ironic, or exaggeration. The OP only dared Republicans to catch Corona. That requires zero wit, comparing it to Jonathan Swift is an insult to Swift's work.
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? It looks like you didn't read the definition. Here after the third comma...

Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule

And as I said, it doesn't have to be good to be satire so comparing it to Jonathan Swift is unnecessary.
 
It's the height of stupidity that even a pandemic is being polarized into liberal vs. conservative in our country. Maybe you should let go of your politics and read the science, rather than letting your pundits determine reality for you.

Here are the scientific facts on SARS-CoV-2 (its proper name, COVID-19 is the name of the disease it causes).

There have been up to 52,000 flu deaths in the United States since Oct 2019. Here are the CDC stats.

The WHO and other health organizations are being abundantly cautious, but the corporate media is spreading excessive fear. Their owners are probably doing it to crash the stock market so that they can cash in on low equity prices, just like they did every time in the past 12 years that a new and scary virus came around.

The truth is that you should still wash your hands and take extra precautions, just like you would in any flu season. It doesn't mean you need to go stock up on a year's worth of toilet paper, or do the opposite of not caring at all because it's a librul conspiracy.

Besides, the real threat to our economy right now is the economic attack that the Saudis have launched against us via the oil sector. Once crude prices fall below $29, our fracking sector will not be able to stay afloat and there will be massive job and financial losses. At that point, OPEC can then corner the market and jack up prices again.
 
Variant said:
? It looks like you didn't read the definition. Here after the third comma...

Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule

And as I said, it doesn't have to be good to be satire so comparing it to Jonathan Swift is unnecessary.
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The OP made the comparison to Modest Proposal himself, so it's perfectly justifiable to compare the OP's work to the source material being cited. And to reiterate, being crude and edgy isn't satire.
 
Phys251 said:
I hope for your sake that you are not even trying to suggest that the OP should be taken literally.
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Your intent to be absurd and edgy is always obvious, but like always the execution is cringeworthy.
 
CMPancake said:
Your intent to be absurd and edgy is always obvious, but like always the execution is cringeworthy.
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Still no clarification as to whether you think that I intended the OP to be taken literally. :roll:

Either the OP was meant to be taken literally, or it wasn't. Will you finally clarify which one it is? Or are you going to keep cowardly running away from this question? Your juvenile attempt to deflect away from this question is not helping you. :shrug:
 
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